[brentn]

I've had this winchest 1300 defender for almost a year now. I must say that i'm quite impressed with it. It was my first gun that I ever bought, got it new for about 400$ at a local shop. I put pistol grips on the front and the rear and I've always wondered what the best way to utilize this speed pump feature would be?

Should I not use the push and pull technique, and just let the front pistol grip slide back on its own, with just my hand guiding it and then pushing it forward quickly once all the way back?
I've only brought it to the range about 5-6 times with approx 100 rounds through it, so my experience with it is still rather new.
Or do I really have no idea what the hell I'm doing?

Some advice would be great

[K9american]

Howdy brentn,

Not quite sure what you mean by "speed pump" - racking the slide as fast as possible? I, too, have a 1300 Defender but with no mods. Bone stock. In my case I prefer it that way as it feels more natural, balanced, whatever. I suppose it's because I've shot a good bit of trap with a Win Model 12 and my "ergonomic memory" transposes reflexively. Trap doubles with a Model 12 is about as close to "speed pump" as I can imagine. :)

More info?

[Dave McCracken]

First off, put the standard stock and forend back on and shoot trap or skeet doubles until the thing is nicely slicked up. Work polishing cannot be beaten for polishing up both you and the shotgun.

Secondly, try putting some rearward pressure on the forearm when you shoot. Some pumps will not unlock immediately others will. This speeds things up.

HTH....

[brentn]

speed pump is a feature in which the recoil of the shell pushes the rotating bolt back and then 'unlocks' the bolt assembly in which it starts to push back. So the recoil effectively ejects the shell automatically, it helps push the forend rearward for you.
I know it does this becuase I've held the shotgun with just the rear grip and cupped my hand around the reciever and fired, the shell automatically ejected and the foreend was all the way to the rear due to recoil.

When using the push-pull technique I can tell you that it really can hurt the hands, especailly on the forend fighting a shell's recoil.

Its funny you mention that dave, cause I was thinking the same thing. I'm getting sick and tired of these pistol grips and I've been wanting to put the stock back on.. Although i'm not sure where it is, I think i'll but a pistol grip with stock rear and put the stock foreend back on and try it out that way.

[Milkmaster]

Sometimes I use my Win 1300 pump for trap shooting. I know the speed feed feature works! Most of the time the shell is ejected before I even notice it. I am concentrating on my target during the shot. I have a natural pull on the forearm I guess towards my shoulder. The gun shoots and the shell is ejected almost as a semi-automatic. I look down after the shot and the receiver is open and empty.

[Dave McCracken]

Brentn, good move. A standard stock will improve things.

A stock with separate PG is one of the things others like. If it works for you, though...

And while the 1300 is a slick shucker, most experienced pumpgunners can simulate auto fire, especailly with a 31, 37, 870 or the legendary Model 12.

I frequently shoot with folks that speak fluent Model 12. On doubles they get effective second shots off to the same timing and rhythm as doublegun shooters.

Tom Held is not the only friend I have with a 12 that when held vertically and the latch pressed, opens itself fully.

Butter....

Run a few thousand rounds through that 1300 and see if it does likewise....

[islandphish]

This touches on a question I have asked myself in the field.

For a long time I used the rearward pressure thinking that faster second shots were a good idea, but then I started thinking, "how is that rearward pressure affecting my follow through?"

So I have switched to keeping the pump in place until after the shot and the full recoil pulse. I believe it helps me stay on the target, but I don't shoot trap so haven't been able to keep score and really tell.

Thoughts?