[cojdth]

I have an HSB & C0 Rev-O-Noc 22 cal Rifle that Belonged to my Grandfather. (I'M 63) I have never seen any rifle that loades the way this one does. To load, the hammer is cocked, then a block is pulled back, that edjects the spend shell. A new Chartage is placed in the chamber, the block is pushed forward and it is ready to fire. 22 long Rifle is on the barrel and 222 is on the side of reciever. Can Anybody give me any information about this rifle..

[SDC]

It sounds like this is a copy of the Remington rolling-block action. "Rev-O-Noc" was a trade-name used by HSB & Co for rifles and shotguns that they sold, but which were actually built FOR them by the Crescent Firearms Company, at the end of the 1890s. Crescent built firearms for a whole bunch of different retailers, and they would change the markings to whatever those retailers wanted; they also sold those guns under their OWN name. Does it look like this?

http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p22/StaceyC123/Remington_Rolling_Block.jpg

[cojdth]

Thanks for your reply. Yes, it looks like the rifle shown in your reply. I'm going take it to a gunsmith to have it cleaned. When they are old enough, I will pass it down to one of my grandchildren. One last thing, I assume the value of this rifle would not be sufficent enough to warrent insurence. Thanks for your help.

[SDC]

It would be valuable to me just because of the fact that my grandfather owned it, but it's hard to determine exactly what a given firearm is "worth" unless a whole bunch of them have been bought and sold; in the case of one that's not well-known, and not enough of them have been bought and sold to establish a baseline "worth", it's mainly a case of what the market will bear. Someone who specializes in collecting boy's rifles might be willing to give you one of his testicles and both of mine to get it, but someone who's interest is in hunting guns might only say it's worth $10. Regardless, it's worth more to you and your descendants as an heirloom.

[Jim K]

If you want to know the name of the hardware company that sold the "REV-O-NOC" guns, just read the name backwards. Their web site is:

http://www.conoverhardware.com/ConoverHardware.htm

but they no longer sell guns.

Jim

[cojdth]

SDC, Your testicles are safe. As I stated, the rifle belonged to my grandfather, it isn't for sale at any price. With things being as they are, the tricky part will be to convince my grandchildren that, if used properly, guns are not dangerous. Thank's for all your help

[marc5thrct]

I be a new member,was looking for info the HSB&CO Rev-O-Noc.I have one that was my Fathers who died @ 83 in 1981.I have a picture of him with the rifle
dated 1921,that would make him abt 23.No one in my family is interested in it.
What would it be worth ,are collectors interested in this type of piece.
You have any idea where to look????

My rifle looks very similar,except my metal receiver is longer and has a thumb screw under the receiver which you can dis assemble the barrel.The screw is forward of the trigger guard.

Thank You
Frank Marcan fjm5thrct@hotmail.com

[elrod]

marc5thrct, Welcome to THR.

From your description, the rifle you have is a copy of a Remington #6 Rolling Block Rifle, as opposed to the #4 RB Rifle in the OP.

According to the Blue Book of Gun Values, 29th ed.
"Over 100 different trademarks have been observed to date, manfactured by Crescent (Firearms Co.). Almost all the remaining specimens today are prized as shooters and have no collector value."

I hope this is of some help to you........Al

[Ron James]

Rev-O-Noc was used on some models of Crescent firearms, but you also have to remember the H&D Folsom, although they owned Crescent, also handled other makers and imported a vast amount of Belgium Firearms. There's a very good possibility that the .22 Rolling block rifles were made in Belgium. Pull all the wood and look for proof marks such as a ELG in an oval. Crescent or one of the companies they absorbed ( Crescent still gets credit ) made 22 single shot bolt action rifles but I can find no reference to a rolling block type. However Belgium did make these type of rifles and tens of thousands were imported and sold by H&D Folsom.

[barry7157]

My father-in-law just gave me his gran fathers Rev-O-Noc 25 rimfire rifle, serial number 43017. Does any one know anything about this rifle? It is missing rolling block assembly.

[Jim K]

Short of finding a junker to cannibalize, I think it will be impossible to find a breech block for that old timer. You will probably have to retire it to a shadow box or a rack over the fireplace. Sorry.

Jim

[Jim K]

Short of finding a junker to cannibalize, I don't think there is any chance of finding a breech block for that old timer. I suggest you retire it to over the fireplace. Sorry.

FWIW, in case anyone doesn't know, HSB & Co. was Hibbard, Spencer, Bartlett & Co., a huge Chicago hardware distributor. They also used the trade name "Cruso". The company later took the name of another of their trade names, "True Value".

Jim

[JohnBT]

Of course, Stevens made guns like that and they could have made them for HSB or any other large retailer. I've seen a few auction ads listing Stevens as the maker of the REV-O-NOC rolling blocks.

JT

[deadin]

A lot of the "House Brand" guns were somewhat like parts on the late International trucks. When the company (in this case Rev-O-Noc) needed a fresh supply of rifles, they would put the order out for bid and take whichever manufacturer came in with the best price.

[Ron James]

Trade names were registered, The gun companies had trade names they used as did the hardware stores; When a store owned the trade name then they would use the roll mark on what ever firearms they purchased. However I'm quite sure the the Rolling Block pictured is Belgium made and not Stevens.:)

[JohnBT]

But there's only one pic and he's not asking a question - other than does it look like this. :)