Remington 7615 Police Range Report


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Anteater1717
July 6, 2007, 02:44 AM
16.5Ē barrel
Comb stock
Standard open sights


10 absolutely perfect
2 barely functions
1 Doesnít function

Accuracy 7/10
I have one accuracy was decent. I havenít gone for groups yet. With cheep wolf it was
easy to get 4 ĹĒ clay pigeons at 100yd with standard irons prone. With brass cased decent ammo the thing could probably top out at 1Ē-1.5Ē groups.

Weight/ Balance 9/10
6lbís is decent a little heavy for that style of rifle. It does have good balance though centers between both hands.

Barrel 8/10
Barrel was basically a bull barrel and heats up slowly (Using 16.5Ē).

Trigger 7/10
Trigger was light and smooth (Doesnít fell like a standard 870 trigger).

Ergonomics 9/10
Feelís like an 870

Action 9/10
It was considerably smoother than my 870ís. It was a little hard to work in prone.

Finish 7/10
Itís ok but seems a little thin for my liking (Easy fix). Not a cheep plastic gun like the Kel-tecís its all metal but the stock (nothngs realy wrong with Kel-tecís).

Magazine 10/10
The Magazine drops free when buttons pressed. Smooth and reliable. Takes AR magazines which is of course a big plus.

Reliability 10/10
It was perfectly reliable except for a few minor things that I caused.

Price 10/10
Decent
$559.00 before stuff
$625.00 out the door


Miscellaneous
The forward swivel stud moves back with the slide. You canít carry it using the sling with the action back. This just bothers me for some reason.


Final 86/100
86%

Better than its main competition the Mini 14 in nearly every way.It isnít quite as good a deal as an Su-16 but if your worried about long term reliability with plastics this is your gun. Another overlooked bonus is if you have a 20gauge 870 about 50% of the parts interchange. Over all a good buy and I am very happy with it.

More pictures here. I am getting an error when I try to post other photoís.
Post #4
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R.W.Dale
July 6, 2007, 11:19 AM
Welcome to the darkside!

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y96/krochus/REM%207615/HPIM1320.jpg

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=252943

bg226
July 6, 2007, 01:42 PM
I'm VERY interested in this rifle. Affordable, 870-reliable, AR-15 accurate. Best of all it takes AR-15 mags.

Looks like the Mini-14 is history.

I'm going to send an email to Ruger explaining why they just lost another potential customer.

tmajors
July 6, 2007, 01:47 PM
Every time I go to my local shop I look at these as a viable alternative to an AR-15 for .223. So many choices, so little money.

jrswanson1
July 6, 2007, 02:50 PM
So this is available to civilians? Awesome! May have to take a trip to the local store...

Jim

FourNineFoxtrot
July 6, 2007, 03:42 PM
I only recent learned of the existence of the Remington 7615... and now I want one... :D

I posted on another thread, asking if anyone knew whether they were California-legal or not, but didn't get a response. Does anyone here know if they are?

tmajors
July 6, 2007, 04:04 PM
Oooh look what I found

7615 Tactical

http://www.remington.com/images/products/tactical/7615tac_sm.jpg

Technosavant
July 6, 2007, 04:22 PM
It looks interesting, but the price seems a bit high. For those of us in free states, $575ish isn't that much lower than a real AR. I might go for one if I see one for $400 or less, but I'm highly doubting I will.

TT
July 6, 2007, 05:20 PM
California-legal or not[?]

Pumps are not covered by Californiaís stupid AW laws.

Interesting rifle, but I also feel itís too pricey. Seems like it should be around $400-450.

MD_Willington
July 6, 2007, 05:32 PM
I want one in 7.62x39 that takes AK mags :D

Slinger
July 6, 2007, 05:53 PM
Is it an ASSAULT RIFLE or isn't it?

It's black. Must be.
It has a HIGH CAPACITY MAGAZINE! Must be.
It has a pump action. Hmmm...that doesn't qualify.
It doesn't have a PISTOL GRIP. That doesn't qualify either.
It isn't able to be turned into a machine gun with simple tools. That doesn't qualify.

It looks like some kind of evil hybrid designed by the NRA to thwart the new AWB rules.

So confusing...:confused:

BOW CEFUS
July 6, 2007, 05:55 PM
You failed to mention the part when the entire gun broke in half then melted.

Bergeron
July 7, 2007, 01:47 AM
What's the rifling twist?

R.W.Dale
July 7, 2007, 01:53 AM
What's the rifling twist?

1/9" the chambering is listed as .223/5.56NATO my 7615 really likes 69grn Sierra matchkings

Anteater1717
July 7, 2007, 02:13 AM
I like the green krochus.

yokel
July 7, 2007, 08:48 AM
No way i'm relinquishing my Mini 14s for a overpriced manually-operated gun.

R.W.Dale
July 7, 2007, 10:40 AM
No way i'm relinquishing my Mini 14s for a overpriced manually-operated gun.

Been placing very well in NRA highpower matches with those mini's :rolleyes: DIDN'T THINK SO

How about those readily avalible high quality $15 high cap magazines, OH WAIT? Bill Ruger didn't think you needed those


:neener:
The Mini series the best darn $300 rifle out there that $600 can buy:neener:

GTSteve03
July 7, 2007, 10:49 AM
Price 10/10
Decent
$559.00 before stuff
$625.00 out the door
Decent compared to what, a Colt AR-15?

You can build a parts-kit AR for that price easy, or do a Saiga conversion on a .223 and get AK reliability and semi-auto action for less than this thing.

I only see this being semi-useful for people stuck in unAmerican states.

cracked butt
July 7, 2007, 10:56 AM
I'd be interested in a 7400/1187 or whatever semiatuo version, but I have an AR already. :)

The Mini series the best darn $300 rifle out there that $600 can buy

LOL

R.W.Dale
July 7, 2007, 11:06 AM
You can build a parts-kit AR for that price easy, or do a Saiga conversion on a .223 and get AK reliability and semi-auto action for less than this thing.


And yet is anyone really proud of or really really TRUST their $600 AR, I sure wouldn't. You get what you pay for in the world of AR's. And when you put together a $600 AR that's what you have is a bag of mixed parts that your stuck with


In my opinion the AK variant isn't accurate enough to even deserve a consideration.

Some of us just like pump actions and don't want to either be a lemming or to buy whatever is the absolute cheapest. Me, I think of my 7615 as an AR15 with a manual transmission.

yokel
July 7, 2007, 12:04 PM
Been placing very well in NRA highpower matches with those mini's DIDN'T THINK SO

sow about those readily avalible high quality $15 high cap magazines, OH WAIT? Bill Ruger didn't think you needed those



The Mini series the best darn $300 rifle out there that $600 can buy

You can just save those old, tired knocks because mine were procured for home defense rather than National Match competition and/or tactical super sniper use.

44mag.com has supplied me with plenty of genuine 20 round Ruger factory mags.

It comes as no surprise that the Mini has been in continuous production since the mid 1970s and shall probably endure for decades to come.

°Viva La Mini 14!:neener:

bg226
July 7, 2007, 12:07 PM
True. This gun (7615) may appeal to those in the UNamerican states. I think the superior strength, reliability, accuracy, speedy follow ups and the luxury of AR-15 mags is a winning combination for the ~$600.

I'd trust the 7615 to cycle reliably over a mix-master AR15.


44mag.com has supplied me with plenty of genuine 20 round Ruger factory mags.

At $54.99 each, and once they sell out they will not be getting anymore from Ruger.

R.W.Dale
July 7, 2007, 01:01 PM
At $54.99 each, and once they sell out they will not be getting anymore from Ruger.

WOW!

For the price of 10.9 20rd magazines for a Mini14 you could buy the complete 7615. The mini looks worse and worse as this thread progresses.:neener:

You can just save those old, tired knocks because mine were procured for home defense rather than National Match competition and/or tactical super sniper use.

So what you're really saying is your MINI isn't accurate enough to do BOTH:rolleyes:

yokel
July 7, 2007, 02:48 PM
Perhaps not everyone has the time or propensity for competitive shooting activities?

For a yokel like myself, the Mini is more than adequate for delivering a high velocity flat trajectory round at extreme close range.:D

U.S.SFC_RET
July 7, 2007, 07:26 PM
The sights seem to be a bit short in length but I love the acceptance of 30 round mags. I wonder about the bolt assembly and housing. Plastic housings are a turn off.

R.W.Dale
July 7, 2007, 07:30 PM
I wonder about the bolt assembly and housing. Plastic housings are a turn off.

The trigger housing and magwell are made from aluminum, unlike 870's and 7400-7600's. There is a plastic dust guard that covers the ejection port when the action is closed.

I bought a Williams aperture sight for my 7615 that doubled the sight radius from 26cm to 54cm.

Anteater1717
July 8, 2007, 12:17 AM
How are those apetures krochus? I was looking into one.

R.W.Dale
July 8, 2007, 12:20 AM
How are those apetures krochus? I was looking into one.

Excellent terrific wonderful great super, BUY ONE!

Shipwreck
December 21, 2007, 11:16 AM
Someone just sent me this link. Interesting review. What is your opinion of the gun after these past few months?

Pecos21
December 21, 2007, 02:11 PM
I think this Remington looks like a fantastic hunting or defense rifle. They come in wood stocks to appeal to the sportsmen crowd and telescoping stocks to appeal to the tactical crowd.

I handled both the Mini and the 7615 at the gun store. The 7615 just felt awkward to me. It wasnt comfortable when shouldered. It was priced a bit higher than the Mini 14 in stainless. Both were priced well below even an entry leve AR from a reputable maker. It was a tough decision, but I decided to go with the Mini. Based on the above range report, accuracy is about the same between the two with only a slight nod to the Remington. It sounds like the 7615's barrell will not heat up as quick as the mini's so I would suspect if you are looking to punch holes in paper, you may want to go with the Remington.

As far as magazines go, if you are looking for a high capacity rifle you will probably want a semi auto as well. I would get an AR or AK as high capacity with the Mini is hit or miss. I have had luck with Pro-Mag 20 rounders, but who knows how much longer those will be on the shelf. I only really use 5 rounders anyway.

I am glad to see Remington diversify their product line.

R.W.Dale
December 21, 2007, 07:27 PM
I like my 7615P as much now as I did when I bought it. A while back I mounted a leupold scope on the thing to find out just how accurate my 7615 is.

The answer, about as accurate as your run of the mill bolt action.

5 shots 100m
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y96/krochus/REM%207615/HPIM1718.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y96/krochus/REM%207615/HPIM1725.jpg

Ratshooter
December 21, 2007, 11:05 PM
I like my Rem. 7615. It is a natural pointer for me. Just shoulder it and i am pointing at what i want to hit. I have the rifle sights and may have to try the Williams peep.

I put a scope on it for a short while. It just feels better without it.

I am surprised that not one person mentioned this. As a reloader i don't like my brass chunked into the grass and lost. I have every reloadable piece of brass that that rifle has fired. With ammo prices going through the roof i hate losing a piece of brass that cost 16 to 20 cents each. But if needed it can be operated fast for SD. I'm certain i can fire as fast as with a shotgun and have 20 to 30 rounds on tap. If i need a semi auto rifle for home defense i have a reliable 9mm camp carbine and 4 20 round mags.

Some will recommend a lever fro HD. I believe i can pump faster than crank a lever.

grimjaw
December 21, 2007, 11:27 PM
I'm having difficulty finding the police version of this rifle for sale anywhere, and the civilian versions are $$$.

Hrm.

jm

R.W.Dale
December 21, 2007, 11:36 PM
From what I understand the remmy custom shop has been swamped with LE orders in the past year. Those sweet 700p's are supposedly impossible to get a hold of as well.

yongxingfreesty
December 22, 2007, 12:10 AM
i like it. the tactical version is $850-900, same price as decent AR.

Pigspitter
December 22, 2007, 12:22 AM
Does it take stocks and foregrips that are designed for 870's?

Anteater1717
December 22, 2007, 12:27 AM
"Does it take stocks and foregrips that are designed for 870's?"

It's stock is interchangeable with 20ga 870's, however the fore grip is interchangeable with the 7600's.

R.W.Dale
December 22, 2007, 12:27 AM
Stocks from a 20ga 870 will work, the fore grip is completely different from the shotguns

HuntAndFish
December 22, 2007, 12:30 AM
We had one in a rifle class this fall and I got to shoot it a couple times during a break. Iron sights with plastic furniture. I liked it but it felt kinda....fragile I guess. Very light rifle. Fed and functioned well through the (1 day) class but we only shot about 400 rounds.

I'd like to hear how these are holding up during training classes.

Shipwreck
December 22, 2007, 12:34 AM
I believe that Bud's has at least 1 of the tactical models in stock.

ArmedBear
December 22, 2007, 12:46 AM
aluminum, unlike 870's

Huh?

An 870 (other than Express) is aluminum, isn't it? My 1100 is.

Anteater1717
December 22, 2007, 01:01 AM
An 870 (other than Express) is aluminum, isn't it? My 1100 is.
I think it's made of steel, it seems too heavy for aluminum.

We had one in a rifle class this fall and I got to shoot it a couple times during a break. Iron sights with plastic furniture. I liked it but it felt kinda....fragile I guess. Very light rifle. Fed and functioned well through the (1 day) class but we only shot about 400 rounds.
Are you talking about the same rifle? Mine seems overbuilt rather than fragile.

HuntAndFish
December 22, 2007, 03:02 AM
Yeah, thinking back on it fragile isn't the right word. Maybe simple is the word I'm looking for. Maybe that's a good thing. If it stands up to abuse like an 870 I'm getting one.

Fast Frank
December 22, 2007, 03:22 AM
My first impression of this rifle was "Great, a rifle designed for people too stupid to learn how to work an AR".

When you look at the Remington Law Enforcement website (http://www.remingtonle.com/rifles/7615.htm), that's how they sell it. "Works just like the shotgun your cops are already trained on".

http://www.remingtonle.com/pdf/7615Pposter.pdf

I dismissed it and went on about my business.

Now that I've stopped to take a second look, this rifle has some appealing qualities.

Specifically, it has the ability to do the whole SHTF thing just like an AR15 would, without flipping the gun grabbers out.

Here in Texas, having an AR15 isn't a problem YET, but for a guy that lives in California this rifle could be a serious blessing.

I'm thinking I could do any thing I might need a good combat rifle for with that little pump gun.

Now I need to shoot one...:cool:

Coronach
December 22, 2007, 12:49 PM
I think this rifle has some promise in many areas, but it's a headscratcher in its original role (LE patrol rifle).

Most PDs who decide to get rifles now will get ARs. This offers nothing over the AR, has some limitations compared to the AR, and when DHS is handing out free M16s to PDs, it even loses the cost comparison. Standardization with the 870 is a nice feature to the beancounters who don't realize that you still need to do rifle training, no matter how much the gun looks and operates like a shotgun.

However, for a nice little civvie SHTF carbine, huntin' or plinkin' gun, you can do a lot worse.

Mike

mr.trooper
December 23, 2007, 01:59 PM
However, for a nice little civvie SHTF carbine, huntin' or plinkin' gun, you can do a lot worse.

This is exactly what I was thinking.

I had some range time with an AR-15, and I didn't enjoy the experience. Iv been shooting AKs, SKS, and Bolt actions all my life, so I was not at all prepared for the searing puff of noxious gas that the S&W M&P 15pc spit into my face with every shot. The fact that I could feel the free-floated barrel resonating after every shot was a little distracting a well.

True the AR-15 could lay down a higher rate of suppressive fire...But Im just one person, so who's maneuvers would I be COVERING with this suppressive fire? :confused: Im not on a Police squad, and Im not in the military. Even with my AK I can only get about 1 aimed shot per second. You could probably do just as good with this Remington pump rifle.

Long story short, I don't see how the AR-15 has any real advantages over the Remington 7615. Sure the AR can "burn" ammo faster doing a bump-fire or whatever, but you wont put out aimed fire any faster. From my experience, an 870 based pump action would probably be more reliable than ANY semi-automatic rifle that I know of. The above range report shows us that the stock AR doesn't have any real accuracy advantage over it either.

I sold my 223 bolt gun a while back to fund a handgun purchase, and I have sorely missed it ever since. Iv been saving and researching new 223 rifles for a while, and had settled on the Tikka T3 light. I had forgotten Remington even made the 7615, but now that i have been reminded, I am sorely tempted to change my mind. It would be a hell of a varmint / defense gun with a 30mm red dot mounted low.

Legionnaire
December 23, 2007, 02:26 PM
Let me know when they make one in .308 that takes M14/M1A magazines. Do that at $595 and I'll buy one.

Wanta B
September 18, 2009, 02:33 AM
Old post I know but I just got one of the 308 Police/Patrol versions,16.5" barrel,Ghostring sight and standard stock about a month ago...575.00...so after playing with it for the first week and about 500 rounds I had to modify it. It now has tritium ghostring sights,Mesa Tactical stock adaptor with,for now,6 possission telestock and best of all it now takes FN FAL magazines! Took a few hours to do but it works great and I have several 30rnd South African mags.Next up is to get a rail top cover by,I think,Accuracy International and a three rail forearm. .5-.75" groups with hand loaded ammoe.

Col. Plink
September 18, 2009, 01:35 PM
Could use a report on this one in .308

Anybody out there got one?

-Plink

Snakum
September 18, 2009, 03:23 PM
I want one in 7.62x39 that takes AK mags

Count me in for that one, too. :D


Could use a report on this one in .308

I was just thinking that a 30-06 version of the LE/Tactical model 7615 would be cool. I know there are tactical stocks available for the 7600 to get it close to the 7615 but the available hi-cap mags are not very reliable, I hear. Is that still true? Anyone know? A 7600 in 30-06 with the collapsible stock, ghost ring sights, and a hi-cap mag. Hmmmm. :)

AndyJ
September 18, 2009, 07:53 PM
I really don't like to necro post but anyway.........

Well, it is like this for me, the older I get the simpler I want things to be. Pair that with eyes that weren't as sharp as they used to be and finicky, complicated, unsatisfying firearms just get sold or are neglected in the back of the closet.

This one suits me just fine.

7615 Ranch Carbine with Bushnell Trophy 1X32

Avenger29
September 18, 2009, 08:19 PM
best of all it now takes FN FAL magazines!

Do tell, sir!

ChristopherG
September 18, 2009, 08:28 PM
Indeed. If it's as simple a transformation as the post implies, I should have had one in .308 long ago!

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