federal +p+ hi-shok 9mm good?


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cajun47
July 6, 2007, 05:12 PM
http://cheaperthandirt.com/AMM406-3576-287.html

thats pretty cheap for 50 rounds of +p+. are they good, reliable?

i'll have them in a beretta and ruger 9mm.

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cajun47
July 6, 2007, 07:33 PM
lol 21 views, no replies. this seems like a good round and its cheap. whats the catch? anyway this chart shows this is the best 9mm round for stopping "power":

http://www.handloads.com/misc/stoppingpower.asp?Caliber=0

McCall911
July 6, 2007, 07:56 PM
I know nothing about Federal +P+, but at that price how could you go wrong?
Hmm...if there's any more left by mid week, I just might buy some myself.

benEzra
July 6, 2007, 08:01 PM
Federal 9BPLE??

Yes, that is EXCELLENT ammunition, by any measure, if your pistol is rated for +P+ ammunition.

I shot and carried the standard-pressure 9BP for years, and it was probably the most accurate 9mm ammunition I have ever shot.

cajun47
July 6, 2007, 08:22 PM
is a beretta 92f and ruger p89(full size) rated for +p+?

McCall911
July 6, 2007, 08:41 PM
is a beretta 92f and ruger p89(full size) rated for +p+?

Well, the Beretta M9 uses the hot 9mm NATO, so I don't see how +p+ would be detrimental for a 92f (about the same thing.) Same with the Ruger at least IMO. There might be a problem down the line if you shot a steady diet of +p+. Or maybe not.

saltydog452
July 6, 2007, 08:47 PM
Cajun,

I don't know for sure, you may want to check with Federal, but I do not think that 'Hi-Shock' is the same ammunition as federal 'Classic' 9BP (std velocity), or Federal's Law Enforcement verson, 9BPLE (115@1300).

I am a large fan of Federal's Hydra-Shock in 45ACP, but not much experience with Federal 9X19 ammunition other than 9BP Classic and 9BPLE Law Enforcement.

salty.

PS>

I almost forgot. There was a brief flirtation with a few boxes of Federal 'Personal Defense' ammo a couple of years ago. It wouldn't cycle the slide on a BHP. That stuff was a waste of money.

sd.

tkarter
July 6, 2007, 08:51 PM
A Ruger P89 will shoot a nuclear bomb if it fits. IMHO
If any gun will do +P+ it will.

tk

The Lone Haranguer
July 6, 2007, 09:06 PM
That is indeed a good price. But be sure it functions. If you can, buy a couple of boxes for testing, and if it works out well you can get more.

W.E.G.
July 6, 2007, 09:06 PM
this chart shows this is the best 9mm round for stopping "power":

http://www.handloads.com/misc/stoppingpower.asp?Caliber=0

That's a curious site. They list 42 out of 44 "one shot stops" with PMC 30-30.
How many documented shootings could there really be involving a 30-30 using Korean ammo?

Is John Wang cleaning up Chinatown?

blackpanther
July 7, 2007, 02:43 AM
It is loaded to the max SAMMI speck 38,500.Rugers handle it just fine.I go to wolf extra lb springs on any thing else but still limit the number of rounds shot.Not to many PD will approve it.I believe NH uses it.It is a wicked round.In a light compact the recoil is really bad.My favorite ammo.

Ed

Man With A Gun
July 7, 2007, 07:41 AM
Many officers carry both the 92Sf and this load.

NATO loads are +P and work well in the 92SF. This load is a tad hotter (perhaps) and will not hurt your pistol. Shoot it all the time and, yes, you may wear it out faster.

As far as street use, this is good load with an impressive record.

MJZZZ
July 7, 2007, 08:18 AM
My shooting buddy works for Homeland Security and this was their carry ammo. He was able secure me a good supply of it when the agency switched to .40 cal. I shoot it through my CZ 75 and his Ruger P89, and I've never had any issues with it. Mike

hotpig
July 7, 2007, 10:58 AM
If you are a jello junkie than this ammo and the Winchester Ranger 115+P+ ammo are a big failure. If you go by actual street shootings both the Federal and Ranger 115+P+ were top dogs for many years.

This ammo has street credibility and has proven its worth my times over in the LE community. The price is not fabulous but no ammo is anymore.

PhillyGlocker
July 7, 2007, 12:56 PM
I've bought plenty of these round from CTD.com. They work fine. Never had a problem. You just made me want to order another box. This is where I mainly buy my ammo. Or if I want bulk ammo, I buy from Ammoman.com

The_Shootist
July 7, 2007, 02:17 PM
Would it be ok to shoot this out of a Glock 19?

hotpig
July 7, 2007, 02:19 PM
Glocks were made to shoot higher pressure ammo. American ammo is weak compared to many countries.

benEzra
July 7, 2007, 04:19 PM
Rugers, Glocks, Berettas should be OK with +P+, IMO. I shoot +P out of my aluminum-framed 3913, but am a little nervous about +P+ (worried about long-term frame cracking, mostly, which isn't an issue with non-aluminum pistols).

I don't know for sure, you may want to check with Federal, but I do not think that 'Hi-Shock' is the same ammunition as federal 'Classic' 9BP (std velocity), or Federal's Law Enforcement verson, 9BPLE (115@1300).

I am a large fan of Federal's Hydra-Shock in 45ACP, but not much experience with Federal 9X19 ammunition other than 9BP Classic and 9BPLE Law Enforcement.
The link in the OP gives the manufacturer's part number as FED9BPLE, so it's the good stuff. I do remember the last box of 9BP I had said "Hi-Shok" on the end as well, IIRC.

saltydog452
July 7, 2007, 06:32 PM
Ben,

The 9BP and the 9BPLE are, so far, reliable in my pistols.

Cor-Bon 115 is reliable in my Kahrs and, from what I have read, gets up to speed in a short barrel. When I run out of Cor-Bon, I'll try Federal in the Kahrs.

Cor-Bons all copper bullet isn't reliable in the Kahrs or in a BHP, so I haven't fooled around with the DPX any more.

I have a BHP barrel that will occasionally stutter with generic ball, but, so far, works just dandy with 9BP or 9BPLE.

Speer 124 Gold Dot is an exercise in exasperation in my CZ Compact. Federal 9BP and 9BPLE seem to be reliable in the 75 Compact.

The Federal seems to be reliable in a Sig 228 as well. Time will tell.

I really do not want to have to use specific ammunition for each individual platform.

So far, the Federal may prove to be the ammunition of choice for my 9X19s. That said, I haven't tried it at all in the Kahrs, a Colt Pocket 9, and very little in the rest. I am working on it though.

This is an ongoing evaulation of my pistols and my magazines. And my round count isn't large enough to be meaningful, but, so far, the Cor-Bon 115 for the Kahrs and 9BP or 9BPLE for the remainder are lookin' pretty good.

I do not plan to start all over every time a mfgr offers a 'new. improved' or 'tactical' version to their product line. Gov't agencies may have that budget, I do not. I do know that the Federal 9BP/9BPLE is, so far, living up to its reputation of reliability.

I hope the numbnuts at Federal don't discontinue the stuff in favor of a newer, more advertised product with less of a historical reputation.

The next time I buy a batch of 9mm ammunition, I 'spect it'll be a mix of Federal 9BP and 9BPLE.

If you're getting the impression that I really like the 9BP loadings, you're correct.

salty.

PS. I just re-read this post. It seems that I used the words 'so far' an awful lot. I have not fired a meaningful amt of ammunition, nor chronographed it, or tested it through barriers. My only consideration was a reputation for reliability and effectiveness based upon written obversations from folks whose impressions I value.

So far, my obversations regarding reliabiliy through my magazines, out the ejection ports of my pistols agree.

Dang, I used the words 'so far' again.

sd.

blackpanther
July 7, 2007, 07:42 PM
If the federal 9BPLE throws the brass into the next county I would not use it.My XD compact would do over 50'.

Ed

NG VI
January 4, 2008, 10:28 PM
Blackpanther- what do you mean? surely not a fifty foot group?

think a Sigma 9VE will be good with them? it's kind of on the light side...

moph759fl
January 4, 2008, 10:53 PM
My carry ammo for my 9MM is:Federal Premium 9mm Luger (+P+) 124 gr. Hydra-Shok JHP [P9HS3G] I use it in my S&W 3913, Beretta 9000S and Kel-Tec PF and buy it for $17.50 per box of 50.

Koblenz
January 5, 2008, 06:48 AM
Cheaper than Dirt now says they are out of the 9BPLE. However, Ammo To Go has a Winchester 115 grain +P+ that should be just as good.

ABBOBERG
January 5, 2008, 12:06 PM
Rugers, Glocks, Berettas should be OK with +P+, IMO.

My G26 was hitting 3" high at 12 feet with Win Ranger 127gr +P+. I am guessing that the barrel was tipping before the bullet left the barrel.

DerbyDale
January 5, 2008, 01:01 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong...

I thought Federal's Hydra-Shock ammo was considered old outdated technology, and ineffective compared to todays SD ammunition choices.

DENALI
January 5, 2008, 06:25 PM
I have posted elsewhere on this site about the federal 124gr tactical hydra-shok and it's +P+ marking and designation, it being loaded to just 1170fps and 375fpe I find that it is in all probability a BS claim by federal when compared to other +P+ 9mm ammunition, as to 9BPLE it is driven to 1300fps and therefore falls into or actually out of sammi specs. Thus the +P+ designation is a reasonable claim. How any 9mm round loaded to 1170fps be claimed as +P+ is beyond me......

351 WINCHESTER
January 5, 2008, 06:45 PM
The federal 9mm bp and bple was developed for the Border Patrol. It has a proven track record in the std. loading or the le loading.

Blue Brick
January 16, 2008, 08:25 PM
I couldn’t help myself, I just ordered 2 boxes. $41.65 to my door

DWARREN123
January 16, 2008, 09:23 PM
Remember +P and +P+ is pressure ratings only, it does not have to do with FPS or penetration.
Seems to be a good price.

The Ruckus
January 16, 2008, 09:36 PM
Ok so if over-pressuring doesn't boost velocity then what does it do?

jon_in_wv
March 22, 2008, 04:58 AM
It has to do with PRESSURE. If the particular powder used burns quickly pressure will pike quickly and drop off quickly which may not equate to as much of a velocity boost as the extra pressure would suggest. The Federal Hydra-shock is a good example where the +p+ only seems to run about 50fps faster than the standard pressure stuff. Not worth it in my book. The 9BPLE on the other hand runs pretty fast at 1300fps and has a pretty good track record. I like that stuff much better.

As a note: Just because its an older design doesn't mean it is somehow less effective or lethal than it was when it was a new design. That doesn't even make sense but I keep hearing people say it. Bullet technology has produced good reliable expanding bullets for newer loading but that doesn't mean that 9BP and Hydra-shoks will now somehow just bounce off of you because the design is too old or that people have somehow changed in composition so that it won't work on "new" people. You can take a 100 year old gun, load with a 100 year old lead bullet, and kill someone dead with it just like you could back then.

DerbyDale
March 22, 2008, 09:09 AM
Hydra-Shock is an outdated an very ineffective round (when compared to todays offerings). I don't know why people still keep buying this stuff when there are much better choices available. :banghead:

The problem that plagues the Hydra-Shock is that it is plugged easily (from clothing), preventing proper expansion. Without proper expansion, the Hydra-Shock becomes little more than expensive FMJ rounds.

Because of this, Federal went back to the drawing board and came up with the HST line, which does not suffer from these problems and has excellent expansion and penetration capabilities.

EDIT:
Will Hydra-Shocks still kill someone today, yes. So will regular FMJ rounds or a even a little .22. What we are talking about is; Whats most effective in stopping a threat as quickly as possible, and thus increasing your chances of surviving a bad situation. Remember the 1986 FBI Miami shootout where the BG took multiple rounds of 9mm, and he was still able to fight back killing agents. It has been proven that the lack of proper expansion and penitration can cost you your life.

BushyGuy
May 15, 2009, 11:39 PM
Hydra-shok is one of the best SD even if its outdated technology it sure beats FMJ in one shot stopping power. i have soem 9mm 147 gr hydra-shok for my 9mm and 147 gr gdhp they are both very effective manstoppers. i carry hornady 124gr TAP CQ in right now for my carry ammo in my 9mm

Cpt. America
May 16, 2009, 12:24 AM
Great ammo.

BikerRN
May 16, 2009, 02:35 AM
posted by hotpig:

If you are a jello junkie than this ammo and the Winchester Ranger 115+P+ ammo are a big failure. If you go by actual street shootings both the Federal and Ranger 115+P+ were top dogs for many years.

This ammo has street credibility and has proven its worth my times over in the LE community. The price is not fabulous but no ammo is anymore.

In my off duty 9mm I have the Federal 9BPLE.

It was the 9mm Border Patrol load that has put felons down for years without a problem. It worked then, so I fail to see why it won't work now. Having the latest and greatest ammo is great, if you can get resupplied with it. I can't get enough Corbon 115 Grain +P DPX to fill my magazines. I can get the 9BPLE by the case, so that's what I buy.

BTW: IIRC Dekalb County still uses this load even though Federal has downgraded it to a "Training" load. I train with what I shoot, so it makes sense to me to carry this ammo.

The 9BP load has also worked well for years and a friend of mine who has had to use the load IRL has had no qualms about how it functions inside a felon's body. In fact I believe he still carries that load in his 9mm, but mostly carries a .40 these days, as do I.

My issue gun at work is a 9mm. The last time I checked it was loaded with the Federal 9BP. I just like the 9BPLE off duty, but would have no problems carrying the duty load, 9BP, in my personal guns if I had to.

Don't be swayed by gelatin and charts. Find what works on the street and use that. Also, make sure you can get a ready supply of it for training. For me that means buying cases of older technology sometimes. No bullet is going to do you any good if you can't put it where it needs to go.

BikerRN

WC145
May 16, 2009, 12:42 PM
I carry 9BPLE on and off duty. Shoots good in my guns, very accurate and reliable. I trust it will do the job for me if I need it to, it has a great track record with numerous depts/agencies.

2ndamd
May 17, 2009, 04:25 AM
I have an article written by Sanow that shows the Federal 9BPLE 115 grn +p+ to be 93% one shot stop in over 400 shootings.

Great ammo for self defense against humans.

rklessdriver
May 18, 2009, 09:22 AM
Federal 9BPLE is the carry load in in all my 9mm pistols.

I have found the round bullet profile of the "Classic Hi-ShoK" feeds reliabally in about any gun that will feed 9mm ball.

Like others have said, the street results are the real deal and speak for themselves.
Will

Browns Fan
May 19, 2009, 08:18 AM
I am surprised that no one has yet mentioned the Federal HST's. I've heard nothing but great things said about these, especially the 147 gr, so I bought a couple of boxes in 147 gr +P.

HST is supposed to be "Hydra Shok Two", I suppose it's a new and improved version of an old favorite.

woodfiend
May 19, 2009, 08:42 AM
Speer Gold Dot 124gr 9mm= The best

WC145
May 19, 2009, 10:09 AM
I wonder, since this thread is pushing 2yrs old, if the OP ended up buying any of it.

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