Opinions of Ishapore 7.62 Nato enfield carbines from Aim Surplus?


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mcooper
July 10, 2007, 09:42 PM
I am considering purchasing an Enfield carbine from AIM surplus. They are chambered in 7.62 NATO. I have alot of experience with mosins, K31's, AR's, M1's, and M1A's; however my knowledge of enfields is minimal.

The reason I want the rifle is that I already have the ammo stocked, I'd like a truck gun, I don't have an enfield in the collection it (and what chance is better, with these I don't have to stock and reload another caliber).

I was wondering though: How accurate should these carbines be? 3moa or better if the shooter does his part? How reliable is the enfield action? If anyone has gotton one of these, what condition was it in when you recieved it? How is the fit on these rifles, does the bolt typically have alot of slop, what are the triggers like (better than a Mosin trigger?)?

www.surplusrifle.com/shooting2006/762ishy/index.asp

Thanks

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.45&TKD
July 10, 2007, 10:30 PM
Coop,

I bought one last year, but haven't done a thing or even shot it yet.

I do like the Enfield action, and these are in pretty good shape. There is a lot of cheap black paint that you will most likely want to remove from the metal. My woods in good shape with only one arsenal stock repair, although it is pretty laquered up. My bore is bright and shiny.

Since you will probably strip off the black paint, I'm not sure if the hand pick is worth it. But is may be worth paying extra for the 2A1 which has a newer sight calibrated for .308 nato, instead of .303 british.

The enfield action is better than a Mosin, although the length may be a little long for a truck gun. Even still, I would not want the bubba'd up carbine they are also selling at AIM.

I've heard that any extraction issues can be resolved by adjusting the mag lips or replacing the mag spring.

Do a search. There were a lot of threads going when these first came out.

mcooper
July 10, 2007, 10:35 PM
Thanks for the info.


I'll be getting the shorter carbine version as I have enough long rifles to last em quite a while :)

.45&TKD
July 10, 2007, 10:44 PM
Then you should get some opinions on the flash hiders on the carbine. I don't know about these, but I have heard of the flash hiders being problems on other conversions. Flying off and what not.

paintballdude902
July 10, 2007, 11:47 PM
i would stay away from the carbines


i have a 2a made in 1965 and i love it my sights arent bad they are a little off i payed 200 for mine from familyfirearmsandfinishes but it is in amazing shape

no stock repairs great bore i love it

but i was thinking about getting a carbine but i talked to a few ppl and they said to stay awy they had one and the company that converted them into carbine just shape the foreend of the stock, chop the barrel and had a flash hider and new sight


i heard the sights are awfull forn the most part you wont even be on the paper at 50 yards


what i was basically told is that they take rafles in bad shape and chop the end off of them and sell the as carbines

Niner
July 11, 2007, 12:33 AM
The "real" 2A's and 2A1's that AIM is offering are worth collecting. I have two and the last one came from this AIM batch. As shooters, I find them just ok, not real tack drivers, although my eyesight leaves a lot to be desired as well.

As others have said, I'd stay away from the constructs, some produced by Gibbs and some by at least one other company.

Niner
July 11, 2007, 12:34 AM
The "real" 2A's and 2A1's that AIM is offering are worth collecting. I have one of each and the last one came from this AIM batch. As shooters, I find them just ok, not real tack drivers, although my eyesight leaves a lot to be desired as well.

As others have said, I'd stay away from the constructs, some produced by Gibbs and some by at least one other company. I too have read about the flash hiders flying off upon shooting as well.

jefnvk
July 11, 2007, 01:25 AM
I have a 2A1. Not a bad gun, outside is a bit rough, but inside is bright and shiny. Nothing wrong, just not my favorite.

Caimlas
July 11, 2007, 01:58 AM
That's really disappointing, WRT the carbines. I was eying them greedily last week....

50caliber123
July 11, 2007, 07:09 AM
I have one of the Jungle Carbine knock-offs that Navy Arms converted from a 2A1. I looked for two years for this gun, and when I found it, paid $200 for it. Its in great condition and surprisingly, shotts very accurately. I owe this in large part to the crisp, single-stage trigger. This rifle can shoot! Unfortunately, the barrel heats up pretty quickly. I have never had any problems with the gun or the flash hider. I think problems vary from gun to gun and based on who did the conversion (Gibbs has been out of buisness for sometime now). I know at least 3-4 buisnesses converted these enfields into carbines, so quality and finish will vary. I say if its a Navy Arms conversion, buy it. They tend to sell pretty good products, and I love my Navy Arms converted ishy.

ScottsGT
July 11, 2007, 09:28 AM
For what it is worth, that cheap black paint is how the rifle came from the factory. I had one sporterized and blued. Real nice gun, but hard to scope properly.
Also, a lot of guys don't realize that the magazine is used as the shell ejector, not the small screw in the left side of the receiver. The small screw is for the .303 brit rifles. So if you get one and it won't eject the shells, bend the left magazine lip up just a hair until you get a good ejection.

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