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telewinz
June 28, 2003, 07:24 PM
Create two questions WITH answers (correct please) that you feel a firearms "expert" should know to be worthy of that name. The question/answer should not require any research but should be in the realm of general military smallarms knowledge. No repeat or trick questions, assay style only please. Be fair and reasonable in your questions.

1. The WW2 "sniper" version of the 1903 Springfield was called by what model number? Answer: The Remington 1903A4.

2. Why did the US military chose the M1 carbine for mounting the early infrared sniper scope (M3 carbine)? Answer: Because the scope was so heavy and had such limited range, it was felt that only a light rifle would be useful.

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Hkmp5sd
June 28, 2003, 08:08 PM
1. Other than the Thompson and the M3/M3A1 (greasegun) submachineguns, what other US manufactured submachinegun was used by US forces in WWII? Answer: The Model 50 and Model 55 Reising submachinegun.

2. What submachinegun was manufactured by the US during WWII, but was issued to other allied countries instead of being used by the US military? Answer: The "M42" UD (United Defense) submachinegun.

BowStreetRunner
June 28, 2003, 08:49 PM
1. The British BREN gun of WW2 fame was designed mainly by technicians from which country?
Czechoslovakia
2. What caliber was the Brown Bess musket?
.75 - although a smaller ball was usually used to speed loading
BSR

Gewehr98
June 28, 2003, 09:17 PM
OK, here we go.

1. Question: What was the battle zero range for the Rifle, U.S. Springfield Armory, Model 1903? Answer: 547 yards. Per the War Department manual TM9-1270. (Back when individual marksmanship meant something!)

2. Question: Was there ever a .45 Short Colt cartridge, thereby justifying the description of .45 Long Colt? Answer: Depends on whose feathers you're trying to ruffle. But the stuff has been seen commercially labeled as such, and is offered here: http://www.fiocchiusa.com/specialty.htm :D

Preacherman
June 28, 2003, 09:17 PM
1. Describe the difference between a "clip" and a "magazine", and give an example of a weapon using each (e.g. Colt 1911 pistol using magazine, M1 Garand using clip).

2. Describe the difference between "locked-breech" and "blow-back" operation in semi-automatic pistols.

I won't post full-length answers, as I'm trying to keep the post short (and besides, THR members know the answers anyway): but it's surprising how many firearms "experts" can't answer these! :scrutiny:

telewinz
June 28, 2003, 09:22 PM
You guys are doing outstanding!:cool:

IAJack
June 28, 2003, 09:54 PM
Kinda a mixed bag, but here are the questions and answer list from my MIRC gun trivia program -The answers are after the astericks




Listen my children and you shall hear Of the midnight ride of Paul Revere,On the eighteenth of April, in what year? *1775

Rifling was invented in 149_*1498

Introduced by the French; it was a long narrow blade with a wooden plug handle and was simply dropped into the muzzle of the musket*bayonet

In the reign of Queen Anne it was known as the "Queen's Arm" in Ireland *brown bess

In 1795 this famous Armory was established?*Springfield Armory

In this War, Washington DC was burned by British, and the Battle of New Orleans*1812

This system of ignition was in common use before it was adopted for the service weapon. It was tested at Woolwich in 1843*percussion cap

The self-expanding bullet was purchased and adopted by the British Government for the Enfield rifle in 1851and named the*minie Ball

In the American Civil War, both these types of loading mechanisms was used? _____and_____*breech and muzzle

In 1866 the Henry firearms Co. was merged into?*Winchester

The Maxim machine gun was officially adopted in the army in 1887, what was it's nickname*the devils paintbrush

In 1526 Mastro Bartolomeo _____of Gardone received 296 ducats as payment for 185 arquebus barrels sold to the Arsenal of Venice*Beretta

Responsible for stating, "In my opinion, the M1 Rifle is the greatest battle implement ever devised."*Gen George Patton

This US Rifle was the first semiautomatic rifle to be the standard small arm of the US Military*Garand

In 1961 an array of this designers machine guns was adopted in the Soviet Army*Kalashnikov

First guns nickname to bear the Winchester name?*yellow boy
Nickname of the M3 machinegun?*grease gun

The Walker Colt was a massive 6 round piece, and could fire a very sizeable bullet with a heavy powder charge. What caliber was the pistol?*44

In 1907, John Browning developed a semi-automatic pistol in a new .45 caliber, based on his earlier designs. It was adopted for use by the U.S. Armed Forces in what year?*1911

How many rounds are contained in a standard Garand magazine?*8

Who was the Armalite employee primarily responsible for the development of the M16?*Eugene Stoner

The Henry Rifle, an early lever-action, got around the problem of cartriges going off in the magazine by using a particular type of .44 caliber cartridge. What was special about the cartridge?*rimfire

Where are Glocks made?*Austria

Who is credited for the development of the 44 Magnum?*Elmer Keith

What shoulder angle are Ackley Improved rounds normally blown out to?*40

What catridge is the new 300 Remington Ultra Magnum based on?*404 Jeffreys

What new technology in barrel manufacturing has recently led to heavy barrel rifles being considerably lighter and also aids in cooling?*Carbon Fiber

What round is the 338 Talbot based on?*50BMG

What sniper rifle did 'Lone Wolf McQuade' use in the opening scene?*Steyr SSG

What company will always be stuck with the moniker 'pre 64' for their older rifles also known as the 'rifleman's rifle'?*Winchester

What material does Nosler use for the 'tip' of the Ballistic Tip?*Polymer
What is Sweet's 7.62?*copper solvent

What year did the first air powered gun appear?*1500

One of the most popular air rifle companies today is "Daisy" but they didn't start out making BB Guns. What did Daisy first make?*windmills

What is the most popular Daisy BB Gun?*Red Ryder

Suppose you are walking through a used gun store. You read the tag on a rifle you like. The tag reads "Pre-64" "220 Swift". You buy the rifle. Who manufactured the rifle and what would you most likley hunt with it?*Winchester & varmints

What case was the 220Swift developed from?* 6 MM Lee Navy

This weapon was the only artillery piece not outlawed (for Germany) by the Versailles Treaty. Both Germany and Russia invested heavily in them.*rocket

This howitzer mounted on the Sherman tank chassis was the best piece of self propelled artillery that the Western Allies had. Its nickname was the Priest, what was it's designation?*M7

WWII The Russians used this gun for everything. It was a tank gun, artillery piece, and an anti-tank gun. What was the caliber of the gun?*76.2

What is the name of the gun shop where Homer buys a gun?*Bloodbath and Beyond

What year was the movie 'Dirty Harry' made?*1971

What's the name of the town Clint drifts into in "High Plains Drifter?"*Lago

Which ones of Josey's loved ones were murdered in "The Outlaw-Josey
Wales?"Wife and Son

What does the abbrv. BB in BB gun stand for?*ball bearing

Who addressed the United Nations General Assembly with a gun in his belt?*Yasser Arafat

This American Firearms Inventor invented a machine gun having a cluster of barrels that are fired in sequence as the cluster is rotated. Give the inventors first and last name?*Richard Gatling

The first shot of the American Civil War was fired at Fort Sumpter, but where was the LAST shot of the Civil War fired?*Browsville Texas

What product was onced billed as zero-proof hillbilly moonshine and featured a shotgun-toting mountaineer on the bottle?*Mountain Dew

The National Rifle Association was formed in Britain in what year?*1871
The National Rifle Association is based in what state?*Virginia

What does the '00' indicate in James Bond's 007?*licence to kill

Similar to the American Gatling Gun developed in 1860s. What was the name of the French machine gun that delivered 370 rounds per minute?*mitrailleuse

Two types of ways a machinegun operates? _____&______ ____*open & closed bolt

The recess at the end of the barrel?*crown

BMG stands for?*Browning machine gun

The markings on the end of a round are called?*headstamp

What is the civillian name of the 5.56 round?*223 remington

what Does the thumb safety on a 1911 lock?*Sear

What does a Series 80 1911 have that a series 70 does not?*firing pin block

What is the bullet diameter of the .303 british cartridge?*.311

Who is the most prolific American firearms designer?*John Moses Browning
What caliber is the M3 grease gun in?*.45ACP

What pistol did sonny in Miami vice carry for the first season?*Bren Ten

telewinz
June 28, 2003, 10:01 PM
What WW2 Soviet semiauto rifle was so popular with German troops that captured rifles were proofed, marked and re-issued to German troops?

The SVT 36,38, and 40

How did China get their first SKS's?

From surrendering Japanese troops who had captured them from Soviet warehouses in 1945.

Bainx
June 28, 2003, 10:14 PM
Gee IAJack, you're smokin' us! Lots of great stuff there.:D

Mine are simple:

What were chief differences in the Mauser 98K and K98K rifles?
The K98K had a turned-down bolt handle and shortened barrel.

Which model Mosin Nagant had the attached bayonette?
The M44.

Mike Irwin
June 28, 2003, 10:28 PM
Telewiz,

Regarding the SKS, are you sure about that? To the best of my knowledge, NO SKS rifles were sent to the Japanese front. Plus, I'm not sure how the Japanese could have captured them from Soviet stores as again to the best of my knowledge the Japanese and Soviets never fought much more than border skirmishes, with no land changing hands, after Zhukov handed the Japanese their asses in Manchuria in 1939.





OK, my two...

The first metallic centerfire cartridge adopted by the US military?

.44 Colt (used in conversion revolvers until the 1873 Peacemaker was adopted).




The only two firearms, with distinctly different mechanisms, adopted by the United States at the same time and given the SAME nomenclature?

The Model 1917 Smith & Wesson and Colt revolvers.

bobs1066
June 28, 2003, 10:45 PM
During WW II, many traditionally non-firearms companies made rifles for the US Military. Rock-Ola is one example. Name a non-firearms company that made US military rifles in the Vietnam era. The Hydra-Matic division of General Motors made M16s.

This is slightly out of the small-arms range. In the 1970's if you were walking along in a US Army base & heard a soldier say, "a rough and a rough, not enough; a rough and a smooth and you're in the groove". What was he talking about? He was checking the recoil mechanism of the main gun on an M60A1 tank. There was a dipstick sort of thing that stuck out to show how much fluid was in the system.

bobs1066
June 28, 2003, 10:47 PM
IAJack, IIRC the original catch phrase in the Mountain Dew commercials was: "it'll tickle yor innards!"

Hkmp5sd
June 28, 2003, 11:38 PM
The Hydra-Matic division of General Motors made M16s.

I didn't know that. Good one!

Stickjockey
June 29, 2003, 12:14 AM
How about:

The Lee-Enfield No. 1 Mk. III rifle was also known as the SMLE. What does SMLE stand for?

Short Magazine Lee Enfield

What calibre is the german StG44 "Sturmgewehr"?

7.92 kurz (short)

JDSlack
June 29, 2003, 12:55 AM
The bayonet is named after what city/arsenal in what country?

Bayonne, France

556A2
June 29, 2003, 12:57 AM
What was the name of the single shot pistol air-dropped in Vietnam by the US to aid resistance? The 9mm Deer Gun

What was the great feat the AK-47 did during relibility testing at Isvesek? They ran out of ammuntion without a single malfunction.

Tamara
June 29, 2003, 01:06 AM
What was the German type designation for captured M1 Carbines?

Selbstladekarabiner 455(a)

What was the German type designation for captured M1 Garands?

Selbstladegewehr 251(a)

What notable feat did the "Grand Old Lady of No-Man's Land", the Vickers Mk.I, accomplish during the Battle of the Somme?

Ten guns shot one million rounds in twelve hours, using up one hundred barrels and gawd-knows-how-many gallons of water in the cooling jackets.

Cosmoline
June 29, 2003, 01:06 AM
Q: What was the first smokeless powder cartridge used by a military force?

A: 8x50R Lebel, introduced in 1886.

Q: What innovation in 1905 shook the militaries of the world, and prompted a complete re-working of nearly every military rifle cartridge?

A: The introduction of the flat-shooting, high-velocity "JS" loading of the 8x57 by Germany. It utilized a smaller, "spitzer" bullet radically different from the large, round-nose FMJ bullets in use prior to that time.

Q: What small bore military rifle cartridge first revolutionized the world of big game hunting?

A: The 8x50R Austro-Hungarian Mannlicher, used in the M-1888 straight pull, firing the Ball 1893 smokless powder load with a massive 244 gr RN FMJ bullet. The extremely high sectional density and (for the time) very high velocity of about 2,100 fps made this bullet a killer, used against big game until supplanted by more modern cartridges (and their lighter rifles) such as the 6.5 Mannlicher-Schoenauer and the 7x57 Mauser.

Sunray
June 29, 2003, 01:12 AM
Ok, I'll bite. What is an "assay" answer? Assay usually has to do with determining the weight of a valuable commodity. As in assaying the weight of a gold nugget.
An essay answer, on the other hand, has to do with a statement backed by proven, documentable, facts.
Having said that, what General Officer was being considered to replace General Haig in WW I? Hint: It wasn't Pershing.
I'll post the answer tomorrow.

telewinz
June 29, 2003, 12:43 PM
I just read (2-days)about the Japanese surrendering SKS rifles to chinese troops from a history of the SKS. I have never read this before either, so I can't quote an additional source. The history stated the Japanese obtained their SKS's from captured Russian stores. I have heard several times that the SKS rifle did see limited use during WW2 but where that was is never mentioned.

"The AK-47 was the prototype for many subsequent versions, and the Chinese manufactured SKS Type 56 rifle is a direct derivative of Kalashnikov's design. At the conclusion of World War II, the People's Republic of China inherited many of these Soviet weapons from the Japanese (The Japanese had seized them in Manchuria.)."

essay, essay, essay, essay, essay, essay, essay, essay, essay,...sorri :)

4v50 Gary
June 29, 2003, 01:18 PM
OK, I'll play...

1) Name the first American soldier to have a telescope equipped rifle?

Charles Wilson Peale. More known for his painting portraits, Peale served first as a militia Lieutenant and later as a Captain during the Revolution. :eek: He had scientist David Rittenhouse equip a rifle with a telescope sight. Peale practiced until he could hit a sheet of paper at 100 yards with it. Unfortunately, Peale's memoirs did not indicate any use in battle.

Name the father of the Confederate sharp shooter.

Maj. Gen. Patrick Royanne Cleburne of Arkansas. After Shiloh, Cleburne reflected on the battle and came to the conclusion that an edge would be needed. He may have drawn upon his experience in the British Army (he rose to the rank of corporal but was busted after being caught substituting his equipment with a pillow in his knapsack :p ) or believed that most fighting during the Civil War would be behind fortification or entrenchment. He wanted a body of organized marksmen to provide a cutting edge to establish local superiority. Cleburne intially delegated the task of training the trainer to a subordinate but soon took matters into his own hand. His actions preceded the issuance of the 1862 Conf. Adj. Gen.'s instruction for the raising of sharpshooter battalions.

Guys, all this stuph will be released in greater detail in a book I am preparing.

Mike Irwin
June 29, 2003, 01:33 PM
"the Chinese manufactured SKS Type 56 rifle is a direct derivative of Kalashnikov's design."

Well, isn't that special...

I think we can pretty much discount what that particular source has to say if it gets something this fundamental wrong.

The Chinese made SKS in Chinese service is known as the Type 56 carbine.

The Chinese made AK-47 in Chinese service is known as the Type 56 rifle.

Other than the nomenclature, they ain't related.

Sorry, Telewiz, I simply can't buy this article's claim that the Japanese captured SKS' from the Russians.

telewinz
June 29, 2003, 04:50 PM
I have quoted the article but cannot prove its accuracy from personal experience. A preproduction run of SKS's were made for battle testing well before the end of WW2 and some were used in the Battle of Berlin. I cannot rule out the possibility of Japanese captures since it would make perfect sense to send SKS's for additional battlefield testing. The Soviets did engage Japanese troops after May 1945, what other battlefields were available to them for smallarms testing at that time?

Hkmp5sd
June 29, 2003, 05:39 PM
According to Rifles of the World by John Walter, a few hundred SKS43 carbines were sent to the Byelorussian Front in 1944 for evaluation. Mass production was ordered at that time, but the first guns did not appear until after the war had ended. Production of the SKS45 (the common SKS) began in 1946 as insurance against possible failure of the Kalashnikov design.

China did make a SKS looking carbine that used the rotating bolt and gas system from the AK (and as a result, causes all kinds of confusion about Chinese SKSs). The first models, Type 63 (1963) and Type 68 (1969), were semiautomatic. In 1973, the Type 73 was introduced. It still looked like the SKS, but was select fire and could use AK-style magazines. In 1983, the Type 81 was released. It is the same as the Type 73, but with the addition of a 3-round burst.

jsalcedo
June 29, 2003, 05:57 PM
Wasn't it Simonov who designed the SKS?

Mike Irwin
June 29, 2003, 06:21 PM
HK,

Yep, that's very true, but the Type 56 is a straight copy of the Soviet SKS in functioning.


Telewinz,

I'm not meaning to dog you, and I apologize if that's what it seems that I'm doing. That's not my desire. I've just got serious doubts about the source's facts.

You're correct that the Soviets engaged the Japanese, but only beginning in August 1945. The Soviets broke the non-agression treaty, which had been signed in April 1941, but other than small skirmishes, nothing happened until the Soviets invaded Manchuria August 9, 1945, after declaring war on August 8.

It's entirely possible that the SKS did see acation in the Manchurian invasion, but I have to question how many, if any, were captured by the Japanese, and of those how many made it into Chinese hands.

Hkmp5sd
June 29, 2003, 06:39 PM
Oops, sorry Mike. I meant to say, "In addition to the Type 56 carbine, China did make a SKS looking carbine that..." :) IIRC, the Type 56 carbine was a copy of the Soviet SKS version introduced in 1946, so the Japanese could not have captured a copy.

telewinz
June 29, 2003, 06:52 PM
Sorry for the confusion, next time I will document any "new" information.

Mike Irwin
June 29, 2003, 07:35 PM
OK, back to the races, with a little history of weapons designed by generals...

This carbine, considered to be one of the best of its type, was designed by a General who was considered to be one of the worst of his type.

The Burnside, designed by Ambrose Burnside.


The last cavalry saber adopted by United States forces was designed by this hard charging American icon.

Gen. George S. Patton

Apple a Day
June 29, 2003, 08:16 PM
According to Jane's:
The Chinese type 56 carbine is a near-exact copy of the SKS.
The type 68 "...in general appearance it resembles the Type 56 (SKS) cabine but the barrel is longer, the bolt-action is based on that of the AK-47 and the rifle provides selective fire. It has a two-position gas regulator. It normally uses a 15-round box magazine but if the bolt stop is removed, or ground down, the 30-round magazine of the AK-47 and AKM can be used." There's no mention of a Type 73 or 81, but those could be omissions since they're mods of the same rifle.

Q.:Which sidearm replaced the S&W .44 in the Russian army? What was unusual about it?
A.:The Nagant revolver replaced the S&W, began production in the Tula arms factory in 1898 but not the first Nagants made. The cylinder not only rotates but moves forward, closing the gap between cylinder and barrel. The cartride walls extended past the bullet and helped for the gas seal as it fired.

Here's an easy one. Which handgun was Han Solo's blaster modeled after in Star Wars? On what submachine gun were the stormtroopers' blasters modeled?

jsalcedo
June 29, 2003, 08:22 PM
Mauser broomhandle and sterling respectively

Mike Irwin
June 30, 2003, 12:46 AM
Did anyone see the Lewis Gun in Star Warts?

BigG
June 30, 2003, 08:43 AM
Who designed the Model 70 Winchester, which was introduced in 1937?

Who designed the .338 Win Mag?

Who designed the .41 Magnum?

Answer: All were credited to Elmer Keith.

Rob62
June 30, 2003, 10:01 AM
Here's some softball questions.

Who is credited with the development of the 1911 .45 ACP pistol and M2 .50 caliber Machine Gun: John Moses Browning

What does "ACP" in the caliber designation .45 ACP stand for: Automatic Colt Pistol

Who started Ruger Firearms along with Bill Ruger: Alexander Sturm

What does Parabellum as in 9mm Parabellum mean: Made for War

And for those classic military firearm fans.

What does .45-70 mean in reference to that caliber's original designation: .45 caliber bullet that uses a charge of 70 grains of black powder.

Rob

cdbeaver
June 30, 2003, 02:57 PM
Mike Irwin:

You said the .45 Colt was the first centerfire cartridge. Where do the .50-70 rifle and .50 Remington pistol cartridges (both inside primed centerfire) fit into the historical picture?

I no longer have my cartridge collection or associated books, so I'll rely on your always good answers.

Mike Irwin
June 30, 2003, 03:06 PM
Beaver,

Actually, it was the .44 Colt, which was adopted in, I believe, 1869 or 1870 and used until the .45 Colt was adopted in 1873.

That was the first centerfire REVOLVER cartridge, I neglected to use the word "revolver" in my initial message.

The .50 cal. Remington (two variants, one for Army, one for Navy) and it's single shot pistol may have preceded the .44 Colt by a few years.

I'll give you a better run down when I get home this evening and consult with a few of my references.

T.Stahl
June 30, 2003, 04:05 PM
Did anyone see the Lewis Gun in Star Wars?

I've only seen MG42s so far.

What does Parabellum as in 9mm Parabellum mean: Made for War

No, it doesn't.

Mike Irwin
June 30, 2003, 04:09 PM
Maybe it was an MG 42.

I remember seeing a blaster obviously based on an old machine gun.

Now that I have my DVD player I need to rent the Star Warts movies again.

telewinz
June 30, 2003, 04:36 PM
And we can make it even harder! What about the Pin-fire cartridges? They predate any centerfire cartridge and they worked quite well in shotguns, rifles and revolvers. More than a few diagrams show the primer being located in the center of the case:D

Or due you mean the first berdan or boxer primed cartridge?

Sean Smith
June 30, 2003, 04:39 PM
An easy one...

What disaster of a light machine gun did the U.S. Army use instead of one of Browning's designs during World War I? The Chauchat.

What Browning designs took its place? The BAR and (depending on how you defined "light") the M1917.

What design defect made all Chauchats unreliable in the trenches? The magazine had a huge cut-out "window" that mud got into.

What made it especially unreliable in U.S. use? The French bungled the re-chambering of it in .30-06.

What was the original caliber? 8 x 50R Lebel.

What were some oddities of its design? It operated on a long-recoil principle. Its rate of fire was only 250 rounds/minute.

Why make the rate of fire so low? The Chauchat had particularly violent recoil. Even at 250 rounds per minute it was hard to control.

What is its main claim to fame? It was the most widely manufactured automatic weapon of the war.

How was this possible? It was made almost entirely of stampings.

Mike Irwin
June 30, 2003, 04:53 PM
"And we can make it even harder! What about the Pin-fire cartridges? They predate any centerfire cartridge and they worked quite well in shotguns, rifles and revolvers. More than a few diagrams show the primer being located in the center of the case

Or due you mean the first berdan or boxer primed cartridge?"

Telewinz,

I'm not sure if you were directing this at me or not...

But, if you were, the United States never officially adopted a pinfire round as a martial cartridge.

Some WERE used during the Civil War, primarily for revolvers in the South. I guess they must have gotten through the blockade.

You're right, though, the pinfire system did work well, it was pretty popular for about 30 years in Europe (shotgun ammo was made up to WW I, I believe), and believe it or not, there were even reloading kits sold for the system!

Mike Irwin
June 30, 2003, 04:58 PM
Sean,

there were some really good posts about the Chauchat over on The Firing Line.

I'm probably one of the few people here who has actually shot one of these guns.

Contrary to popular opinion, the design is actually pretty solid and straight forward.

It was one of the first attempts to make a military firearm "cottage industry style" though, and there was little uniformity of the parts. Even though the intent was for the parts to be interchangable, there was so much variation that in essence each one had to be hand fitted.

The first machine guns issued to US troops were actually Lewis Guns, which were very popular, but they were withdrawn in favor of the Chauchauts for political reasons.

US troops were first issued guns in 8mm Lebel. Those weapons had been used hard, and were essentially worn out by the time our boys got them.

The guns that were manufactured in .30-06 weren't much better.

All in all, most of them were "lost in action" fairly quickly.

Sean Smith
June 30, 2003, 04:58 PM
What designs was the M60 machine gun largely based on? The German MG42 and FG42 from World War II.

What it was replaced with? The M240.

What is peculiar about this? The M240 is based on an even older design than the M60 (an "upside-down" version of the 1918 BAR action adopted for belt feed). The Army used it as a coaxial machine gun on tanks for decades before adopting a variant as a replacement for the M60.

Sean Smith
June 30, 2003, 05:12 PM
What did NOT, contrary to popular myth, ban hollow point bullets? The Geneva Convention.

What actually DID ban expanding bullets? The Hague Peace Conference of 1899.

Was the U.S. a signatory? No.

What WAS the U.S. a signatory to? The Hague Convention of 1907.

Did THAT ban expanding bullets? No, though it did ban "arms, projectiles or material calculated to cause unnecessary suffering."

What hollow-point bullet has the U.S. military made wide use of? The MatchKing bullet (in 168gr and 175gr) in loads for sniper rifles.

How has the U.S. justified this? It produces similar wounds to the full metal jacket version of the round, and so does not cause unnecessay suffering.

Mike Irwin
June 30, 2003, 05:14 PM
The Match King doesn't act like a hollow point, either. The "hollow" is simply a byproduct of the case drawing and sealing process.

They're probably more correctly called open-nose solids.

Fly Navy
June 30, 2003, 06:29 PM
What machinegun was used as the Smart Gun in the movie Aliens? MG42

What was the harness system for the Smart Gun? Steady Cam rig

When can the US "legally" use hollow-points? Counter-terrorist operations. Terrorists are not considered legal combatants and therefore any weapon can "legally" be used against them.

Tamara
June 30, 2003, 06:57 PM
I'm embarrassed to admit I know this, but there was indeed a Lewis gun being dragged around by one of the stormtroopers on Tatooine. :uhoh: :o

Mark Tyson
June 30, 2003, 07:14 PM
Mike Irwin,

Is there a real difference between a hollowpoint and an open-nosed solid?

Sean Smith
June 30, 2003, 07:18 PM
Semantics. :D

Also, if you've seen the bullet, the hole is way too tiny to do any good as far as wounding goes, though it makes the bullet more accurate for some wierd reason.

Mike Irwin
June 30, 2003, 08:14 PM
"Is there a real difference between a hollowpoint and an open-nosed solid?"

There is if the hollow point is designed to promote expansion. As used most frequently, expecially in the civilian arena, when someone says hollow point, I'd bet that virtually everyone familiar with ammo types thinks "expanding bullet for personal protection/hunting use."

Sean, the accuracy thing is pretty straight forward.

The open nose in the Sierra bullets is there for one reason, and one reason alone -- to make the base of the bullet as perfect as possible.

Military FMJ bullets have an opening at the base because of the way they're made, and that naturally leads to imperfections in the base.

Research has shown that a perfect base is FAR more important to overall accuracy of a bullet than the nose. That's why the military uses open-nose solids.

Rob62
June 30, 2003, 10:53 PM
T.Stahl - You said that Parabellum doesn't mean "Made for War". There is one other possibility that I've heard, "Pistol of War". But from all I've read the more common accepted translation is Made for War.

So if that isn't correct would you please say what the correct translation is.

I'm always interested in inceasing my knowledge and sure would like to know the correct meaning of Parabellum if I've been wrong so long.

Rob

T.Stahl
July 1, 2003, 01:52 AM
Tamara,
I didn't say there were any, I just haven't seen them yet. :D

Rob62,
"para bellum" is an order and means "prepare (for) war!"

4v50 Gary
July 1, 2003, 09:04 PM
Easy one: 1) Who was the first person to motorize the Gatling gun?

A: Richard Gatling himself. They were mounted on the fighting top of ships and were suppose to sweep the deck of the enemy.

2) What was the longest distance shot made with a round ball flintlock rifle and by whom?

A: It was during the Siege of Fort Meigs (April-May, 1813), Ohio during the War of 1812. The shooter was Elijah Kirk of the Capt. Sebree's Company, Kentucky Detached Militia. An Indian marksman climbed an elm tree and was shooting at the Americans when they went down to the Maumee for water. After a couple days of missing, he finally figured the hold and injured three Americans. Kirk was finally given permission and waited patiently in one of the blockhouses. When the Indian fired, Kirk returned the compliment and killed the Indian. Unfortunately, the name of the Indian marksman was lost in time. The distance? About 600 yards. The skeptics may question it, but Walter Cline bored out a rifle to .53 caliber and using a duplex load (4f with coarser powder atop of it) was able to hit a man sized target 4 out of 10 tens at 600 yards.

Mike Irwin
July 2, 2003, 01:02 AM
The siege of Ft. Meigs happened from April to May 1863, during the War of 1812?

I thought we as a nation normally tried to resolve one war before starting another back then... :D

telewinz
July 2, 2003, 04:59 AM
The siege of Fort Meigs is alot like Korea, it was a "police action" so it went on for decades.:)

Mike Irwin
July 2, 2003, 11:21 AM
"The siege of Fort Meigs is alot like Korea, it was a "police action" so it went on for decades."

THAT EXPLAINS IT!

When I went there years ago I saw two guys sitting on opposite sides of the fort eyeing each other warily!

We're still at war!

4v50 Gary
July 2, 2003, 01:40 PM
Thanks Mike. I corrected it to 1813. Typos will happen and that's why I'll never get keyboard pay.

Coult D
July 2, 2003, 05:57 PM
Q. What cailber was the .30 M1 Garand orginally designed for?

A. Caliber .276

Q. Who insisted the caliber be changed to 30'06 and why?

A. Then Chief of Staff Douglass MacArthur. In the depression era Military
ol' Doug could not see wasting 1 BILLION rounds for the 3'06 that
was made during W.W.I. In hindsight it was Doug's best decision
outside of the Inchon landings.

Q. What two pistols were orginally developed by Colt and S&W for
post W.W.II replacement of the 1911A1 .45

A. The Colt Combat Commander .45 and the S&W Model 39. Both
pistols were submitted for trials but the Army decided to stick
with old reliable 1911.

Johnny Guest
July 2, 2003, 07:41 PM
CoultD wrote: Q. What two pistols were orginally developed by Colt and S&W for post W.W.II replacement of the 1911A1 .45

A. The Colt Combat Commander .45 and the S&W Model 39. Both
pistols were submitted for trials . . . . Gotta nit pick this one, sir - - Colt began producing the (real) Commander model in 1949 - - - It was an alloy framed piece. The Combat Commander model, with the steel frame, was introduced by Colt in 1969, though it was serial numbered with the 70 series guns.

IAJack, way back on page one, you submitted: How many rounds are contained in a standard Garand magazine?*8 Well, no, not really. The M1 Garand CLIP holds eight, but the magazine only holds SEVEN. The top round is chambered in the loading process. If you doubt this, try to depress the top round and close the bolt on an empty chamber, with eight in the magazine.

:D No flame meant, Jack. Wouldn’t even have mentioned it if you hadn’t already (properly) posed the question about clip vs. mag. Good bunch of questions otherwise - - -That was the only real mistake I caught.

Mine - - -
Q: What was the primary profession of Richard Gatling, the inventor of the famous multi-barrel rapid fire gun?

A: Dentist

Best,
Johnny

4v50 Gary
July 2, 2003, 08:03 PM
Excerpt from Paul Wahl & Don Toppel's The Gatling Gun: "In 1847, Richard Jordan Gatling attended a course of lectures at Indiana Medical College at La Porte. During the two years that followed, he studied at Ohio Medical College in Cincinnati. It has been assumed, quite generally, that he graduated in medicine in 1849. From that time on, he was known as 'Doctor Gatling.' However, according to Dr. Clayton McCarthy, M.D., writing in Annals of Medical History, September, 1940: 'Considerable difference of opinion exists as to whether Dr. Gatling graduated in medicine and how well he practiced... Careful search of records at Indiana and Ohio Universities show that Dr. Gatling did not graduate, and many contend he never practied.'"

BTW, licensing of medical profession back in the 19th Century was not unlike today with its Boards. You could attend a medical school or learn from a practicing doctor back in those days. That Gatling attended professional lectures and took some classes in Cincinnati probably made him more qualified than many of those who called themselves doctors. Be that as it may, the expertise of doctors of that time period (especially surgeons) is highly suspect and one need only read about Civil War medicine to feel more confident in the hands of today's Boy Scouts (at least they know enough to wash their hands and instruments).

Wahl & Toppel's book, which has been long out of print, is still the best I've seen on the Gatling gun and Berk's book (Palladin Press) pales by comparison.

Mike Irwin
July 2, 2003, 08:13 PM
Coult D,

There's another active thread here, over in rifles, I think, that says that the military wanted a .25-cal. round for the Garand, and there was actually development work done on it. That is the first time I've ever heard of that.

Johnny Guest
July 2, 2003, 08:14 PM
I really thought I'd read that Gatling had studied dentistry. Appreciate the correction. I was probably thinking of John Holiday or some equally distinguished practitioner of the combination of the healing arts and powder burnin'. :p

Best,
Johnny

Mike Irwin
July 2, 2003, 08:17 PM
Ah, I've got a good one...

Q: On what commercially unsuccessful Winchester round was the .30 carbine round based?

A: The .32 Winchester Self-Loading Rifle (SLR) round, which had been developed for the Model 1905 rifle.




Q: Which Winchester SLR rounds and rifles were used in military service?

A: The Model 1907 in .351 SLR, and the Model 1910 in .401 SLR. Both were used in limited service with the French Air Force.

Penman
July 2, 2003, 08:21 PM
Okay, let's see if my memory serves me right...

What were the other two variations developed before the Springfield 1903A3?

1903A1-Variation in the stock design, with a pistol grip

1903A2-A unit designed for placement in a tank barrel, for use as a sub calibre training function

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