Rock Island Tactical or Taurus 1911


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schmeky
July 14, 2007, 09:59 PM
Just curious. I thnk I read the RIA is a cast metal pistol and the Taurus is forged. Both look like good 1911 values, just curious about owners experiences and their opinions.

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98C5
July 14, 2007, 10:03 PM
Check out the Rock Island Tactical. Awesome pistol for $200 less than the Taurus.

Tom Servo
July 14, 2007, 10:49 PM
The Rock Islands I've handled have been quality guns.

That said, I got to shoot a customer's Taurus, and I have to say, they appeared to get everything right. Good tight lockup and a decent trigger. Functioned flawlessly, and I was surprised by its accuracy.

valor1
July 14, 2007, 11:13 PM
Both guns got their acts right. Both will do the job right. I just preferred forged steel reason why I am more inclined to the Taurus.

schmeky
July 14, 2007, 11:37 PM
valor1,

I know forged is better than cast, however, I doubt I would ever have any problems or failures with a cast frame and slide unless I did an extreme amount of shooting.

Like I need another 1911, but these things are addictive. I already have 4 1911's alone.

Thanx for the input.

daysleeprx
July 14, 2007, 11:49 PM
I like the asthetics of the RIA more personally. Plus RIA customer service is top notch!

kentucky_smith
July 15, 2007, 12:18 AM
RIA doesn't have series 80 safety and has some of the best support in the business.

http://www.shepsworld.com/pic/ria38.JPG

MICHAEL T
July 15, 2007, 02:46 AM
I take RIA over Taurus if for no other reason customer service . . Taurus almost as bad as Beretta.

TimboKhan
July 15, 2007, 06:00 AM
I would go for the Taurus. The RIA is cheaper, and from what I have seen they are perfectly serviceable guns, but you just get more for your money with the Taurus.

MPanova
July 15, 2007, 06:06 AM
Ditto

IMO you get more bang for the buck in the PT1911

kentucky_smith
July 15, 2007, 01:36 PM
If you go over to the m1911.org forum, the RIA forum is filled with people showing off their pistols, doing mods, and generally being happy. Three of the guys who run the company in Nevada are frequent posters and are happy to answer any questions.

The Taurus forum is full of pistol problems, right now there are threads on

Slide stop engaged
Finish problem
fails to feed

and other issues. I like Taurus as a whole, I've got a 651 revolver that I depend on, but I'll take a Rock over a Taurus, at least until they get the bugs worked out.

...and aesthetically speaking, the Rock looks better without the colored in Banners on both sides of the Taurus and no front serrations.

quickcanary
July 15, 2007, 01:42 PM
kentucky_smith, I've noticed the same thing. I'm sure Taurus makes some good guns -- there are a lot of owners on the forums that would defend their Taurus pistols until the bitter end -- but the ratio of good/bad (not to mention the CS horror stories) makes me uneasy.

You also get a lot of bang for your buck with a Hyundai, but that doesn't mean I'd buy one...

daysleeprx
July 15, 2007, 01:57 PM
but you just get more for your money with the Taurus.

How so? I don't see anything on the Taurus that the RIA doesn't have...unless you want superfluous things like front serrations and whatnot.

jkomp316
July 15, 2007, 02:04 PM
the Taurus does have a thin finish, im guessing peoples other problems are mag related, Taurus has always had cheap mags... buy some chip mccormicks, problem solved.

dang
July 15, 2007, 02:33 PM
I'm seeing a number of complaints about the "finish" on the taurus 1911. Can anyone be more specific for a novice? How expensive is the fix?

schmeky
July 15, 2007, 02:55 PM
Kentucky_smith,

Is that a nickel finish on your RIA? I had a Norinco 1911 in nickel years ago and wish I still had it. I would seriously consider a nickel RIA.

I need to find the RIA website for a list of what's available currently.

I too have heard complaints of the "thin" blue on the Taurus. Refinishing is very expensive, so if the RIA has a more durable finish, the cost of long term ownership would be better.

I have never been a fan of the front serrations on a 1911, the more classic look the better IMHO.

kentucky_smith
July 15, 2007, 05:09 PM
According to Ivan, it's polished hard chrome, but RIA only makes 'em in .38 Super.

Probably the best source of information is forum.m1911.org, the actual RIA site is pretty sorry,

The manufacturer's website is: http://www.armscor.com.ph/

browningguy
July 15, 2007, 05:21 PM
Don't have an opinion here, but just a note that forged frames are not necessarily better than cast, F.N. went to cast frames when they came out with the HP in .40 because it held up better.

jkomp316
July 15, 2007, 07:55 PM
cast is softer, less dense? maybe the slide slamming it would compact the metal instead of crack it? there's a reason knives are forged... maybe that particular design was easier on the metal to cast, maybe forging put more stress in important areas?

i have always been under the assumption that forged is stronger than cast.

schmeky
July 15, 2007, 11:01 PM
Went to the 1911 forum and read owners feedback on the RIA. They seem to be a very happy bunch, much more so than most other 1911 owners.

Customer service is reported to be one of the best if and when needed.

Glockman17366
July 15, 2007, 11:08 PM
"cast is softer, less dense? maybe the slide slamming it would compact the metal instead of crack it?"

Casting are not as homogenous as a forging, therefore less strength. You're more likely to see a crack in a casting then a forging.

kentucky_smith
That 1911 has been nicely dehorned..or appears to be in the picture. Is that a factory job, or did you have it done?

kentucky_smith
July 15, 2007, 11:09 PM
I picked it up brand new Friday and shot it that afternoon.
Locks up tight and trigger is fantastic.

gunfighter48
July 16, 2007, 04:28 AM
The RIA and Taurus PT1911 are both great guns for the money. Which one you buy depends on what you want to do with it. If you want a base gun to do some home smithing on then I would go with the RIA. But if you want a gun with most all of the bells and whistles on it then go with the Taurus.

I bought the Taurus as a second choice because I couldn't afford another Kimber at the time. It's not a second choice by any stretch. It's very accurate, good 4 lb trigger out of the box, forged frame and slide, decent checkering, and the finish on mine is holding up just fine. In the Seattle area the RIAs are running $435 - $480 depending on the model. The Taurus are running around $500 - $550. Like I said it's up to you and what you want the 1911 to do.

yongxingfreesty
July 16, 2007, 04:57 AM
RIA, save the $200 dollars for 1000rnds of ammo.

kingpin008
July 16, 2007, 05:05 AM
+1 for the RIA. I have a Charles Daly, which is from the same company as the Rock Islands, and I love mine to death.

Linkinlog
July 16, 2007, 01:41 PM
Go for the RIA Tactical. I got mine for $425 shipped on Gunbroker.

It comes with just as many "bells and whistles" as the Taurus plus better customer service.

http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/8300/carboncreations006fh6.jpg

MPanova
July 16, 2007, 10:08 PM
Linkinlog can you please tell me where you got those grips, and do you have any more pictures of them :what:

Linkinlog
July 17, 2007, 11:39 AM
Sure! They are carbon creation grips.

www.carboncreations.com

You can also order them through Brownell's, I believe.

I got mine at a gun show here in Houston at the GRB convention center. (I noticed you are in Houston as well.)

The grips look twice as nice in person!

I have more pictures but my imageshack account is acting up right now. I'll try to post them later today.

EDIT: Got it to work... here are the pics.

http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/940/carboncreations005xa5.jpg

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/5305/completety3.jpg

MPanova
July 17, 2007, 10:46 PM
Ok they are the black one. I figured they were the CC but in the first picture they looked silver and thats what Im looking for. I need a set of white or silver carbon fiber grips but CC does not make them :banghead:

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