Amt of Premium Defense Ammo On Hand?


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Skunkabilly
June 29, 2003, 02:27 PM
It's easy to keep a reasonable amount (bare minimum 1000 rds rifle, 500 rds pistol) on hand assuming practice ammunition, but what about defensive ammo? 1000 rounds for a $20 box of .308 150gr Ballistic Silvertips and 500 rounds of $12 box of 9mm 147gr Hydrashoks can get expensive real fast.

How much of the premium ammo do you keep on hand, or do you stick to the military ball type ammo?

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jsalcedo
June 29, 2003, 02:34 PM
Just a couple of mags loaded up with alternating glaser, BAT, and hyroshocks. Probably a total of 25 rounds or so.

They are too expensive to practice with.

DMK
June 29, 2003, 02:38 PM
Pistols are where defensive ammo costs you. In 7.62x39 for example, HPs and SPs don't cost all that much more, if anything, than FMJ.

Interestingly you probably wouldn't need all that much pistol ammo on hand anyway. If things get so bad that you need a thousand rounds of 45ACP, you probably should have grabbed the rifle or Shottie a long time ago.

For pistols, I've got about 1K combined of HPs in .40 S&W, 45 ACP, .357 Mag and 45 ACP.

For longer guns, I've got about 3K of 7.62x39 HPs and about 400 rounds of Federal 12 gauge Hydrashok slugs plus another 600 rounds of #00 and #4 Buckshot. I've got maybe a hundred rounds of 7.62x54R SP on hand, but do need to get some .308 in an expanding round.

dude
June 29, 2003, 02:43 PM
only two
-a box of Winchester 147g subs for Mr P
-a box of Winchester softies for the .30 Carbine


There is some hunting load stuff for some of the revolvers but that is for daily woods carry, mostly they eat realods........and LOTS of mil-surp hardball for the rest!

HSMITH
June 29, 2003, 03:07 PM
I reload, so massive quantities of quality HP ammo costs me less than a third of what it costs you, AND it is tailored to my guns. I keep a couple boxes of premium commercial ammo on hand for carry and nightstand guns, but only after they have digested several hundred rounds of it without a single glitch. New guns that are defensive candidates are where premium ammo gets expensive.

Oracle
June 29, 2003, 03:10 PM
Do you guys really look at a .308 firearm as a defensive gun? I mean, I like my FAL as much as the next guy, but am I going to use it in any defensive capacity outside of repelling boarders? Not really. I keep some 165 grain SPBT on hand, but that's mainly for hunting, not for self-defense.

For self-defense, I mainly rely on 12-gauge and 9mm. I keep about 100 rounds of buckshot on hand for my 12-gauge, and about 200-250 rounds of good defensive ammo on hand for my 9mm. That's why I really like the Winchester USA9JHP ammo, it expands and penetrates just as well as any other "premium" 9mm defensive ammo, but it only costs around $10.50 for a box of 50 at Wal-Mart. At those prices, even I can afford to stock up, and I can get it at the same place that I get my 9mm practice ammo.

jsalcedo
June 29, 2003, 03:30 PM
------HSMITH

I used to carry reloads in my 1911 until a cop that helps run a CHL class
told me it was a bad idea.

He said an antigun prosecutor would jump at the chance to say that you had "hand tailored killer bullets" that you were itching to use on someone.

Being a paranoid type person I went ahead and took his advice.

Anyone else have views on handloads for self defense?

Moparmike
June 29, 2003, 04:11 PM
A question occured to me as I read this post: Has any one ever considered the idea that a govenrnment official might be posing as an inquisitive visitor for intel gathering? Stuff like types of weapons, # of weapons, amount of ammo, etc?

Just a thought. (No skunky, I dont think you are a government official, unless they hired a crazy person to stay on THR 24/7 and handed him a digital camera in an FBI armory.:))

Fly Navy
June 29, 2003, 04:21 PM
My SIG has a magazine each of Ranger-T, Black Talons, and Hydra-shoks. My AR-15 has good ole fashioned 55gr milsurp :)

benewton
June 29, 2003, 04:25 PM
jsalcedo:
I'm loaded with 155 XTP .40 reloads in my USPc carry weapon, and will use 110 XTP's in the .38 CDS during the winter. Practice rounds are, as you'd expect, cast, sized and lubed lead.
I do get cheap, at times, though, since the practice/carry load for the Charter Bulldog is the 245 cast lead SWC at, I guess, about 750 FPS or so.
I figure that, in lineotype, it isn't going to expand, but I doubt that it'll stop either, and a pair of 1/2" holes has just gotta slow you down a bit.

I use standard load data, normally at least one full notch below the maximum value, minus a bit. Since I'd be in defensive only mode, I've an incoming target at 7 yards or less, and I can deal with a 50 fps velocity loss without a problem. Also, since I load on a Dillon, I prefer some space between me and max.
I doubt that there'd be a problem using handloaded ammo in a "good shoot", nor do I doubt the bullet or the reliability of the reloads. Somewhere around here there's a thread on the legal issues, and it seems not to be a problem.

Good luck pasting the "hand tailored killer bullets" crap on me: I've not fired any factory rounds, .22 RF excepted, since I got the USPc four or five years ago, and I bought then only because I hadn't set up for the .40 and it is a simple impossibility for me to bring a new weapon home and not fire it.

Anyway, I feel the risk is in the reliability of the rounds that you produce and the bullet you load, not the legal side. 'course I'm not a liar, whoops, legal professional, so the worth of my advise is zero, but, if the situation ever comes up, I start a thread and post the result.

jsalcedo
June 29, 2003, 05:40 PM
I made my own premium defense ammo once.

I was at a pawnshop and found an old box of .451 165 grain semi jacketed
hollowpoints scored down the jacket. I think it was 100 or so of them.

I loaded them up with 4.8 grains of green dot in GI cases.

They were low recoil, low muzzle blast and accurate as heck out of my sistema. I shot a waterjug and it literally exploded I found pieces of copper jacket in what was left of the bottom of the jug.

I still have some left for a rainy day.

Sorry didn't mean to hijack the thread

Skunkabilly
June 29, 2003, 05:45 PM
Just a thought. (No skunky, I dont think you are a government official, unless they hired a crazy person to stay on THR 24/7 and handed him a digital camera in an FBI armory.)

I can't, the feds don't hire blind people!

If I was FBI, believe me, I would have already had an 'insert a caption' with an MP5 chambered in 10mm. Reeehaw!

sm
June 29, 2003, 06:10 PM
I run a min of 500 usually 1k of any defense load before I carry it. I keep anywhere from 100 -500 rds. I do have some for guns I don't have--typical right?

I have commercial rounds and reloads. Yes I've heard the arguments about using reloads, and only JHP...I used to assist with CCW.

If the shoot is good, its good.

My experience from life experiences and being on jury duty--have a better lawyer and character witnesses. Document and have credible sources. Assertive to the point of agressive, have the other side looking stumped and not organized.

Ammo, must be reliable in that gun everytime. Do everything to avoid, but if it starts/life threatened-end it.

Some of the better "premium' loads I use are reloads. I don't worry about it. Some reloads like WESHOOT2 are better than commercial anyway. IMO
Then one gun prefers the WW white box JHP 45ACP...if it stops it stops. Define "premium", what's in name...its what the end result is in your gun. $ doesn't always buy performance, whether its ammo or gun ...or buying targets.
Hey, I used factory ammo to get hulls and cases...then reload a better round.

As far as this board and others being watched-yep they do it, so what? Names on a list , Mine already is as far thats concerned. Signed and made public...come and get them.

WhoKnowsWho
June 29, 2003, 06:15 PM
I have plenty of 5.56 for the AR, about 260, but only three mags to fill up.

And a box of Hydrashocks in 9mm, .40, and .38 Spec.

And of course, my P32 ammo is S&B FMJ, and I only have 300 of that.

7.62x39, Still working on the case, I think I have about 440 left.

7.62x54R, only 100.

Everything else is normal range ammo.

Bowlcut
June 29, 2003, 06:16 PM
poor little old me. i only have 2 mags worth of hydrashocks.

but do have bout 100 rounds in 7.62x54, and another 200 in 9mm. but if im going to those....im probaly dropping the pants...

Doc
June 29, 2003, 07:58 PM
Skunk:

Isn't ammo ALWAYS cheaper by the case? so either 500 or 1000 rnds.

I get virtually all my ammo from Natchez Shooters Supply in TN.
As for premium CCW ammo, I wait until I am down to 100 rnds
then reorder.
The other two suppliers I use are Black Hills and Pro Load from
whom I order direct.

Doc

10-Ring
June 29, 2003, 08:03 PM
I don't buy my defensive ammo all at one time. At a bare minimum, I've got enough for 3 mags.

popbang
June 29, 2003, 08:11 PM
I also reload my ammo right now I have about 1,000 rounds of .45 Colt loaded with 230 grain Remington Golden Saber bullets, 200 loaded with 230 grain Speer Gold Dots, and 800 loaded with 255 grain lead semi wad cutters. Any of the three loads can be defensive loads depending on the places I am going.

jsalcedo
June 29, 2003, 08:12 PM
//chris rock voice// How much for a box of hydrashocks?

Thuty five ninety nine? Dayyyum!

How much for just one bullet?

//chris rock voice//

Oracle
June 29, 2003, 08:25 PM
Popbang,

What .45 Colt gun are you using? Just curious, I don't hear about many people using a .45 Colt as a carry gun, even though Taurus makes a nice one, I hear.

popbang
June 29, 2003, 08:37 PM
If I tell you what I carry you will probably laugh, but oh well. I carry a Ruger Bird's Head Vaquero with a 3-3/4 inch barrel. The loads I use are pushing the 230 grain bullets ~920 fps and the 255 grain bullets ~900. I have two holster for it an IWB and OWB. The gun can be effectively concealed under an untucked polo shirt or another untucked shirt. This choice may not be the best, and I wouldn't tell others to carry it, but I like it and am comfortable with it.

Oracle
June 29, 2003, 09:19 PM
That's the exact reason I was asking. I have one of the Birdshead 3 3/4 inch barreled Vaqueros in .45 Colt as well, and have been thinking about carrying it concealed on occasion. I've even loaded up some Speer Gold Dots for it, I don't have a chrony, but they should run at a little over 900 fps.

Great minds think alike, I suppose :)

popbang
June 29, 2003, 09:24 PM
Starline brass, WLP, 9.7 gr. N340 and 230 gr. Gold Dots get you 920 fps average

switch to 9.0 gr. Universal Clays with other components the same and I get an average of 906 fps

What load are you using Oracle?

Oh for a real nice holster try:

http://www.mernickleholsters.com/

They make some real nice conceal carry holsters for single actions.

Sorry for taking this thread someplace it shouldn't go.

M2 Carbine
June 29, 2003, 09:31 PM
Best guess is 9,000+ JHP/SP rounds in 32ACP, Makarov, 9mm, 38, 357, 40 S&W and 45 ACP.
About 3 times more practice ammo.

Not counting rifle ammo.

blades67
June 29, 2003, 11:51 PM
Anyone else have views on handloads for self defense?

I load my own defensive ammo. I've been told the same Ayoob crap about having to defend my "killer bullet loads" if I ever had to use them. Have yet to be shown a case where that happened.:rolleyes:

mummac
June 30, 2003, 12:14 AM
I have 12 rds of Cor-Bon 115 grn .357. 6 in the cylinder and 6 in a speed loader. If that doesn't get 'em the cheap Winchesters will have to do.

556A2
June 30, 2003, 12:44 AM
I have 85 rounds of reclassified Gold Dots for practice
1 15 round mag filled with regular Gold Dots and 1 10 round with Hydra-Shoks in 9mm.
And about 24 rounds of Winchester Silvertips .357 Mag. All my 5.45x39mm is FMJ.

Jeff OTMG
June 30, 2003, 03:50 AM
In addition to the CorBon, Speer, Remington, Federal, and Winchester in all the calibers I have guns in there is a good selection of MagSafe and a few Glaser's, but I have 135 boxes of RBCD on hand right now. ;)

Peter Gun
June 30, 2003, 08:33 PM
Usually I just keep enough .40 165gr golden sabers to load all three mags for the sig 229 and a cylinder full of 250gr winchester supreme .44 mag for the super redhawk. As it happens right now, I also have a wide variety of high power hunting rounds (factory) for the .44 as I'm planning on doing some testing. I also have a case of wolf hollowpoints for the SKS, but I shoot it fast, keeping about 100rnds in reserve.

Tamara
June 30, 2003, 08:46 PM
Well, my defensive ammo and practice ammo for rifles are the same: 7.62x39 whatever brand, 7.62x51 Hirtenberger milsurp, and 5.56x45 55gr Georgia Arms. I keep plenty of that stuff on hand.

As far as handguns, I usually keep plenty of that on hand, too, as I shoot a lot of it. 185gr +P .45 Golden Sabers, .38 Spl +P+ 147gr HydraShoks, 9mm +P+ 115gr 9BPLE, and 10mm Cor-Bons of various bullet weights, I have at least 200-500 rounds of each in the house right now. Plenty more other JHP ammo too. Restock at the Georgia Arms booth at every gun show; as long as I don't shoot more than 200-500 rounds of JHP's between shows, I'm cool...

Mannlicher
June 30, 2003, 09:31 PM
While I keep a round or so in the casa, I sure don't obsess over it. I am not even sure if "premium defence ammo" is all that much better than just "ammo". Check the shootings in your area. Most are done with plain vanilla stuff. Kills lots of folks real dead.

It's easy to get carried away with "all things tactical"

Kenneth Lew
June 30, 2003, 10:55 PM
400 rds. 9mm 115 gr. Remington +p+
400 rds. 9mm Hirtenberger 9(?) +p+ truncated nose. in stripper clips
200 rds. .40 cal 180 gr. Black Talons.
100 rds. .45 cal Corbon 115 gr.
200 rds. .308 Fail Safes

wingnutx
June 30, 2003, 11:44 PM
20 rounds of Hydrashok for my .45, 20 for my .357, and I think about that much for my 20-gauge.

If that doesn't stop them I'll start shooting ball ammo or whatever military type stuff I have for my AR-15 or M-90.

Check the shootings in your area. Most are done with plain vanilla stuff. Kills lots of folks real dead.

Yeah, but I want to kill goblins QUICKLY, so they can't shoot back while they bleed out.

Logistar
July 1, 2003, 12:12 AM
I'm with Oracle on the Winchester HP. Seems to perform just fine - cheap enough to get plenty of practice with and stock up on... oh, yeah, the question...

500 rounds stored + 66 in magazines.

Zach S
July 1, 2003, 12:17 AM
Ready to go:

For my Colt Ive got 17 230gr Hydra-Shocks, with five or six GI mags with 230 gr FMJ, two more in my glovebox. My Kimber has 29 230gr Hydra-Shocks in 2 para P14 mags, with one Kimber HiCap loaded with 230gr FMJ. 15 rounds of 230gr Hydra-Shocks, with 2 other mags loaded with FMJ for my Para Companion. The Taurus M85UL that hasnt been fired in forever and a day is loaded with HydraShocks, and two speedstrips loaded with the same. I prefer one of my .45s for defense, so my Ruger sits with an empty pipe and two HiCaps untill the weekend, all FMJ.

No long arms, weird huh?

Boxed, on the shelf:

About 300 rounds of .45 acp (100 hydra-shocks, 200 FMJ), 100 9mm, and 50 .38 special, with a partial box of each. I run outta one box and buy another. I'd reload if I had time, and a place to do it.

VaughnT
July 1, 2003, 10:29 AM
Maybe I'm weird, but I only have 50rnds of GAarms 230g Gold Dot +P ($13/50) on hand for defensive purposes. Of course, every bit of that is loaded in Wilson mags (a 47T is in the gun) and the whole kit and kaboodle is in a special pouch waiting to go.

Six magazines total with 10+1 in the gun! I think I'm ready.

Kharn
July 1, 2003, 12:32 PM
I keep:
3 7rd 1911 mags loaded with Winchester whitebox in the desk drawer I keep my 1911s in. (4th mag is kept in my .45 ammo can so I cant forget a mag when going to the range)
1 10rd AR15 mag, 1 20rd AR15 mag, both loaded with 55gr PMP and 25 Remington #7.5 extended range, high velocity 12ga shells are kept in bins on the door of my safe (I've tried to buy buckshot locally, but every dealer looks at me like I'm a poacher when I ask about it). Might be adding two 20 round FAL mags loaded with South African surplus in place of the AR15 mags, as the FAL now blocks the AR15s from being removed easily.
Yes, I'm very short on mags, due to either being cheap or MD making it a pain in the butt to buy mags over 20 rounds, depending on the gun. :o

Kharn

foghornl
July 1, 2003, 01:57 PM
60 Fed 110-Gr Personal Defense loads for the .38 snubby
60 Speer 158 Gr Gold Dots for the .357 Vaquero
100 Rem 230-Gr Golden Sabres for my 2 .45ACP's.

A a lot of some sort of ball or SP ammo for each one.

CWL
July 1, 2003, 09:17 PM
Unknown, especially if broken down by caliber.

I just know that the part of the house with the ammo sags...;)

cool45auto
July 1, 2003, 11:04 PM
Only a box of Hydra Shoks for my Beretta.

4 eyed six shooter
July 2, 2003, 01:38 AM
Honest Skunk, I tried to count my premium ammo but I ran out of fingers and toes.:neener:

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