460S&W magnum RIFLE chronograph session HOLY COW!


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R.W.Dale
July 15, 2007, 02:41 PM
OK get this, Encore katadhin 20" barrel 460 S&W.


200grn FACTORY loads

1. 2863 fps
2. 2807
3. 2847
4. 2849
5. 2830

YES you read correct that's a handgun round launching 200grn bullets faster than 30-06:what:

300grn Hornady XTP mag, handloads
one grain up from the start load

1. 2057
2. 2091
3. 2088
4. 2042
5. 2058

Recoil with the 200grn loads were rather pleasant in spite of the high velocity. Recoil with the 300grn handloads was an EVENT although not painful . The flextech stock really takes the bite out of those heavy hitters.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y96/krochus/encore/HPIM1631.jpg

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Kilgor
July 15, 2007, 03:12 PM
Wow!

The .444 will push a 200 grain bullet to 2,566 fps, so the .460 blows it away here. However, the 200 grain .429 bullet would only serve as a varmint bullet and I have better guns for that.

With a 300 grain bullet the .444 will go 2,211 fps and it's in a repeating action. So I would choose that right now.


I'd like to see a lever action .460 that could shoot .460, .44 mag, and .44 special. THAT would be something I would buy. Talk about versatility.

R.W.Dale
July 15, 2007, 03:18 PM
I'd like to see a lever action .460 that could shoot .460, .44 mag, and .44 special.


Wouldn't 460, 454 casull and 45lc be a better and probably more accurate option

First Shirt
July 15, 2007, 03:21 PM
How bout a lever action that could shoot .45 Colt, .454 Casull, and .460 S&W? Would probably work better. The only problem is that you'd almost need a .30-30 length action (Win M-94 or Marlin 336) to accomodate the longest case.

Just my opinion.

Joel

R.W.Dale
July 15, 2007, 03:23 PM
The only problem is that you'd almost need a .30-30 length action (Win M-94 or Marlin 336) to accomodate the longest case.

You'll also have to use an action that can handle 300win mag type pressures.

A 336 or 1895 action in this chambering would be a BOMB

SaMx
July 15, 2007, 03:35 PM
wowowowowow!
now I want a .460 rifle.
That's a T/C Encore, right?

Kilgor
July 15, 2007, 04:39 PM
Wouldn't 460, 454 casull and 45lc be a better and probably more accurate option

Heh. Good call. I was thinking .44 supermag.

By the way, I too am in NW Arkansas. Go Hogs!

R.W.Dale
July 16, 2007, 11:55 PM
With a 300 grain bullet the .444 will go 2,211 fps and it's in a repeating action. So I would choose that right now.


BUT will 444 do that with a 20" barrel? After all we want to compare apples to apples. Also bear in mind that I still have over 4 more grains of H-110 to add to my 300grn loads before reaching the MAX charge

Kilgor
July 17, 2007, 12:17 AM
That's from a 24" barrel.

I'm not dogging your choice. It will do anything the .444 will do, and maybe more... except be found in a repeater. I'd like to see the .460 lever action that could also be used with .454 and .45 colt ammunition. That would be very versatile and have a high cool factor.

Since I was mistaken earlier, a 45-70 would be a better comparison since both are ~.45 caliber. The .460 in a rifle is mostly reinventing the wheel, but that's cool. A lot of calibers do that these days.

Enjoy that blaster and keep us posted on what you find with further load development.

R.W.Dale
July 17, 2007, 12:29 AM
The .460 in a rifle is mostly reinventing the wheel, but that's cool. A lot of calibers do that these days.


Yes and no. The 460 is pretty well going to equal any SANE 45-70 load in terms of raw horsepower. But unlike 45-70 you have 2 other rounds you can shoot that range from absurdly mild to wild and everything in between. With bullet weights that range from 150grns to 400grn. As well with the economy of scale you get from shooting handgun bullets and powders. Remember 45-70 shoots .458 diameter slugs where 460 shoots .451 or .452 projectiles.

example

in the same trip mentioned above I was also shooting some 200grn cast SWC bullets out of 45LC brass. The bullets cost less than $30 for 500 and the powder used was only 8grns of unique. velocity was 900 fps and accuracy was outstanding.


Versatility is the name of the game with 460

Kilgor
July 17, 2007, 12:52 AM
You make some good points. If someone could cram it into a repeater, it would be very versatile. There's already a .454 casull lever action and it has definitely caught my eye. I just need to hold one to see if it's significantly slimmer and lighter than my 45-70.

I'd think the main advantages of the 45-70 are that it's found in repeating lever actions and can use heavy bullets 400+ grains due to the deeper case. There are some 500+ grain loads for when major penetration is needed. I'm sure you are aware of Garrett Cartridge.

Kilgor
July 17, 2007, 04:06 AM
Ok, so you got me thinking and reading...

http://www.gunblast.com/Paco_Legacy_454.htm

Paco is getting 2000+ fps from 300 grain Corbon .454 with a 20" barrel. The .460 ought to be able to beat that with a slow burning powder.

Cool. Please keep us posted on how things go for you!

I think I have to get me a .454 lever.

R.W.Dale
July 22, 2007, 02:01 PM
bit of an update,

I chronied some more loads today. 300grn XTP magnum. 40.0 grains of H-110 :what: 2110 FPS average. 3 to 4 inch groups at 100yds. Not bad for a holographic sight. Pretty stout for a handgun round not shooting a max load.

Cosmoline
July 22, 2007, 03:37 PM
Sweet mother of pups! Who's going to sell me a Win '92 in that beastie!?

R.W.Dale
July 22, 2007, 04:00 PM
Sweet mother of pups! Who's going to sell me a Win '92 in that beastie!?

Even if a 92 would handle 300 win mag pressures I doubt the action would be large enough. 460 cases are monsters. 2 460 rounds bracketed by a 454 casull and a 45acp

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y96/krochus/45caliber.jpg

General Geoff
July 22, 2007, 08:59 PM
..That looks closer to a .45colt, .454 casull, .460, and .45ACP round.

R.W.Dale
July 22, 2007, 09:05 PM
..That looks closer to a .45colt, .454 casull, .460, and .45ACP round.

nope it's a 454 on the far left the only 45lc cases I've loaded (not pictured) are nickel plated. Don't let the bullet fool ya! Those are my "cowboy action LOOKIN" loads. You wouldn't want to cram one into your SAA replica though.

Cosmoline
July 22, 2007, 09:33 PM
Good grief! It looks like some artillery piece! I got to say, the 500 has never done anything for me, but the whole concept of the .460 is fascinating.

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