Powder measures on progressives


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Hawk
July 16, 2007, 02:16 PM
There seems to be a surge of dissatisfaction with progressive powder measures judging by recent threads - red, blue and green all impacted.

Anybody have one of these (http://www.quick-measure.com/index.htm) quick measure gizmos?

I hesitate to take advertising copy at face value but it purports to meter 4831 without drama and not having to hunt down "meterable" powders would seem to be a very good thing.

When I inquired, they have no discounting dealer so the price is the price which isn't great news, but they report that no secret handshake is required to get the advertised results. I don't have an immediate problem to solve but it is intriguing.

In the interest of equal time for most parties in the reloading jihads, his illustration of the press adaptor is a Dillon but the glowing testimonial is from a LnL-AP owner. Hopefully we can skip right past which color is more likely to need his help and go directly to the "is it worth close to 300.00" part.
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Walkalong
July 16, 2007, 02:20 PM
There has been a thread about it before. It's an interesting measure. Can't tell much from the website. It's vague and without good pics.

spencerhut
July 16, 2007, 02:24 PM
I met the designer at the Reno gun show a while back. Nice guy, great product. But he is very proud of his product as you can see by the price. It does indeed meter any powder without cutting the grains. I would shell out the cash for it if I needed to be that precise and had to use powder that is hard for a typical (RCBS, Hornady, Lee) powder measure to meter. The thing just plain worked perfectly when I watched the demo from the guy that designed it. I was impressed, I just don't need that much precision when I'm cranking out .223 or .308 to knock down steel or punch an A-Zone, hence my threads on ball powders to replace my somewhat finicky 4985 and Unique.

Hawk
July 16, 2007, 02:25 PM
Sorry - I tried searching but 'quick and measure' pulls up about a bazillion hits. Same problem with search engines finding the guy's website. He needs a more, unh, unique name for the beast.

@Spencerhut - yup, yours were the threads that got me wondering about it again - I wonder if he'd be amenable to a group purchase? It wouldn't be as bad but for the adaptor cost - darn near as much as the measure itself.

ReloaderFred
July 16, 2007, 02:29 PM
Here is the direct link to his site: http://www.quick-measure.com/index.htm

I've never used his measure, but wonder how it would do with IMR 800X, since it meters like corn flakes?

Hope this helps.

Fred

bcp
July 16, 2007, 03:10 PM
Reminds me of old measures with adjustable drop tubes.

Belding & Mull
http://www.antiquereloadingtools.com/discus/messages/3/424.jpg

Pacific
http://shootersforum.com/attachment.htm?attachmentid=5413

Bruce

Walkalong
July 16, 2007, 03:50 PM
Yep. Old idea, new gizmo. Seems no different really than a pistol measure with bushings, tall bushings that is. Can't tell for sure from the pics and vague description. Well, I just saw the demo, still don't know. If it is so great, why doesn't he make it clear on the website. That is the only reason I have not tried one. I wonder what folks are hiding when they won't show detail. Same reason I was turned off Dillon when I bought a progressive. Their site and magazine are vague as to what will work with their presses and what you have to buy from them. Just be up front and clear or I think you are selling snake oil. I guess I'm to much of a sinic, but I've been conned (lied too) too many times.

spencerhut
July 16, 2007, 04:17 PM
He's vague on the description on purpose since he has a unique and different was of measuring the powder. You really have to see it in person to understand how it works.

It's not a "everything old is new again" thing. It's unique, it works just the way he says it does and that is why he thinks it's worth so much.

Walkalong
July 16, 2007, 04:21 PM
That is what a patent is for. Just show me to sell me. Don't show me and I don't trust em. Not him personally, just in general.

spencerhut
July 16, 2007, 04:28 PM
That is what a patent is for. Just show me to sell me. Don't show me and I don't trust em. Not him personally, just in general.

I agree. He seems like a nice enough guy. I think he said he was retired from the Aerospace industry and it seemed to me this was his hobby of choice. Seemed like a guy who sells to make money for sure, but also because he enjoys it and wants to make enough money to keep enjoying it.

mc223
July 16, 2007, 06:47 PM
There are discussions of the quick measure all over the various forums. Some OK some not. I have had success with my Dillon so replacement is not in my plans.

Ol` Joe
July 16, 2007, 06:54 PM
I`ve had one for a couple years now and like it. The measure does as advertised and doesn`t cut or bind on powder granuals. Accuracy with both stick and flake powders is better then my old Lyman 55 as long as you keep a steady, even stroke going. They are a bit pricey though, I feel it is worth it if one uses a lot of extruded type powders for rifle, ect as I do.

Walkalong
July 16, 2007, 07:07 PM
If it is better than other measures it is worth every dime, and maybe then some. I have a BR-30 and a 10X, both of which were pricey, but very good. I had a Niel Jones, but it did no better than my BR-30 so I sold it. I would love a Harrells, but until I start actively shooting Benchrest again, hopefully soon, I won't get one. I dought it will be any better than the BR-30 either, to tell the truth.

So, yea, if it's that good I would buy it in a heartbeat, but I need a better description of how it works, and how I would set it up on my Projector, and much better closeup pics before I would shell out $150 just to try it and hope it would work on my press.

Ol` Joe
July 16, 2007, 07:37 PM
So, yea, if it's that good I would buy it in a heartbeat, but I need a better description of how it works, and how I would set it up on my Projector, and much better closeup pics before I would shell out $150 just to try it and hope it would work on my press

Here is a pic of it on a Dillon from the Quick Measure web site. http://www.quick-measure.com/progadapter.htm

The press wors by pressing on the tube extending from the bottom of the reservoir. This is acually the chamber that fills, when the tube is raised powder flows into it. The powder is released when the tube drops back down in place. I can try to post or mail you a couple pics of the operation if you wish.I won`t swear to the quality of the images though but they should give you an idea. Mine is mounted to a shelf on my bench not my press but the operation is the same.

Walkalong
July 16, 2007, 07:40 PM
I'd like a couple of pics. Thanks. AC

Ol` Joe
July 16, 2007, 08:15 PM
This will give a idea of its size, the case is a 270 win.
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d149/1Savage/DSC00549.jpg

This is a "drop tube", the unit uses these to measure the powder. They are similar to bushings that some measures take.
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d149/1Savage/DSC00550.jpg

The lower "tube" fits into a slightly larger one and can be adjusted for lenght/volume by turning the set screw out in the flange causeing it to set deeper or shallower in the fixed tube of the measure.
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d149/1Savage/DSC00552.jpg

Here is the tube compressed in the larger one as it would be while filling with powder.
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d149/1Savage/DSC00551.jpg

Notice the "hole" in the fixed tube inside the reservior. This is in the side of the tube and it fill the bushing by powder flow from the side of the tube not the top. This is why it won`t cut powder or bridge. The upward stroke on the bottom tube is very important to accuracy. One needs to do it uniformly for every throw.
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d149/1Savage/DSC00553.jpg

Hope this helped explain......if you need any more info PM me and I`ll try to answer. We should likely take any more on this off site it is getting away from the thread and personal.

Walkalong
July 16, 2007, 08:21 PM
Great pics. Thanks, AC .....PM sent.

Hawk
July 16, 2007, 08:50 PM
FWIW, the thread starter wouldn't consider it thread veer. This is exactly what I was looking for.

Thanks.

TEDDY
July 17, 2007, 10:52 PM
it works like the old belding and mull.looks like you need several tubes,and you need to have a steady rythem. :uhoh: :confused:

Hawk
July 17, 2007, 11:17 PM
I'll let you know. I caved and bought it.

Now we'll see if the standard Redding expander dies work in the XL-650 without springing for the "pro" version.


I don't know anything about the belding and mull, however.

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