Assailant dead after killing two at Irvine supermarket, with sword (merged threads)


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bfason
June 29, 2003, 11:40 PM
Article here. (http://tinyurl.com/fl5h)

Clearly, we need some sword control. All knives should be registered so that this kind of thing doesn't happen again.



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10-Ring
June 29, 2003, 11:56 PM
Same arguments apply. We don't need more rules, just better application of existing ones!

jsalcedo
June 30, 2003, 02:06 AM
The cop stopped the crazed sword wielding manic with an AR 15.

Don't bring a sword to a gunfight.

Skunkabilly
June 30, 2003, 02:36 AM
:barf: so much for our top 10 safest cities in America title :barf:

It's a different Albertson's that the one I shop at. Glad I carry now, even if "dude, it's Irvine...."

TheeBadOne
June 30, 2003, 03:37 AM
The cop stopped the crazed sword wielding manic with an AR 15.
Aren't we going to have someone questioning why the Police have AR 15's? ;)

Jim March
June 30, 2003, 05:07 AM
How many here, knowing some lunatic was running around with a sword in a friggin' grocery store, would head for wherever they kept brooms or similar, break the brush off, and rush into the fight? Assuming no gun, of course.

I'm serious. How many?

I'm pretty sure I would.

Be dangerous but hell, you only live once.

A gun would be damned handy though :).

Delmar
June 30, 2003, 05:56 AM
If the fool had watched Indiana Jones, he would have known not to bring a sword to a gunfight!

CGofMP
June 30, 2003, 06:04 AM
The guy did some damage INSTEAD with a sword... (ahem allegedly)

Story Here (http://www2.ocregister.com/ocrweb/ocr/article.do?id=45840&section=BREAKING_NEWS&subsection=BREAKING_NEWS&year=2003&month=6&day=29)


IRVINE — A Santa Ana man wielding a sword killed two people and injured three others before he was shot and killed by police today at Albertson's supermarket, 3931 Irvine Blvd., authorities said.

Police were called to the scene at 9:36 a.m., responding to reports that a man was attacking people with a large, sharp object. There were 30 to 40 customers and employees in the store at the time. Police identified the assailant as Joe Parker of Santa Ana, a former employee of the store. He was shot by police and died at Western Medical Center in Santa Ana.


click link above for full story.
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Why am I reminded of the scene in Raiders Of The Lost Ark and the thought .... "what if one grocery store customer had his trusty 1911...."

But of course we are in california where nothing like this is possible since guns are drop tested and banned in public for your protection and CCWs are almost non-existant.
:banghead:

Charles


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Mark Tyson
June 30, 2003, 07:37 AM
Did you make that "join or die" picture at the bottom of your post? I like it.

XLMiguel
June 30, 2003, 08:22 AM
I heard about this on the news driving home last night, and the first thought thru my mind was, "too bad there wasn't an armed citizen in the store . . .", followed by, "Damn, it was in CA."

No dis to the local constabulary, but it is an operative example of the fact that the cops can't be everywhere, and even with a reasonably quick response, two died, one was injured. It also begs the question of why can't teh populace have weap[ons, when the solution to the situation is calling someone with a gun to save teh day????

While I can't say with certainty that the presence of an armed citizen would have changed things, in that a guy with a sword can do mayhem pretty quickly, but OTOH, there's also the chance that he never would have gotten started. At any rate, I know how I would bet.

CB900F
June 30, 2003, 09:49 AM
Fella's;

Just another confirmation that the weapon is between the ears, anything else is a tool. There is nothing to say that if he'd been able to get a firearm, that he would not have used one. Why didn't he have one? Don't know, any number of reasons are possible.

If Kali were firearms friendly or the same situation happened in Florida, I doubt that the results would have been much different. Two killed, one wounded, right? In Kali, with the sword, his reach is limited to his foot speed & the length of the blade. People can, & i'm sure did, run away. The cops took some minutes to get there & shoot him.

Reason it the other way 'round, in Florida he has a semi-auto pistol & starts shooting in a market. Kills two & wounds one before somebody in the store puts him down with their own gun.

Would it happen exactly the same way? Of course not. But similar enough to make it a wash in my book.

900F

PenHolder
June 30, 2003, 11:44 AM
Am I the only one who, when reading one of these stories, breathes a little sigh of relief in spite of himself? After reading the title, before I even reached the body, I couldn't help but think: "Thank goodness he didn't use a gun!" Our esteemed Legislature seems like a time-bomb, just waiting for any excuse (or hey, an election) to ram more gun control down our throats.

True to form, just as with the "I'd rather be raped or killed than own a gun!" pacifists, the folks involved wasted no time calling over people with guns -- assault weapons, even -- to save their bacon. Once a couple of folks with guns showed up, the maniac stopped double-quick. I'll have to go do the math on that one.

Jim:

How many here ... would head for wherever they kept brooms or similar, break the brush off, and rush into the fight?

You're a better man than I. Unless I witnessed very poor technique on his part, I'd probably just run as far the hell away as I could from him. I haven't trained for close-in combat against that type of attack, and a sword or machete has a formidable reach. I imagine one could hack through a broom handle in a swipe or two. If conditions were favorable (perhaps being seperated by some waist to chest high cover), I might give the wacko a good shot of OC before I beat feet; I'd want the cover to slow him down for a few paces in case the OC didn't have much effect, giving me the time to turbo the heck out of there.

This is going to sound cold, but unless me and mine were at risk in the store, or I could help stop the wacko with minimal risk, I'm inclined to just run. The folks in the store are a big part of the reason I don't have the option of taking an aimed shot from cover: they vote for disarmed victims, and disarmed victims they get. Nobody deserves to get hacked apart by a maniac, but I resent that they've forced their decision to be unprepared onto me.

Maybe incidents like these will serve as a "clue-stick" and wake more folks up to the idea of personal protection; that they're not magically safe just because they live in snooty Irvine.

*sigh*, who am I kidding?

"Cue Standing Wolf!"

-PH

WonderNine
June 30, 2003, 12:06 PM
Penholder, you think you could live with yourself running away after witnessing a guy hacking people up? I know I couldn't. I don't know if you're disabled or what your physical condition is, but if you were unarmed yourself and "just carrying some OC spray" like you said, wouldn't you be one of those very same people who has delegated the responsibility of their own safety onto others?

In a grocery store hell there's a ton of things you could use as weapons. Throw a fricken heavy can or a watermelon at their head or fight them with a steel display sign. Pick up the nearest heavy object and throw it at their head.

Yes, I've watched too many kickboxer movies.

El Tejon
June 30, 2003, 12:42 PM
A man with an eeevil assault rifle saved the day. Thank Goodness he wore blue polyester otherwise the Caliban would have to justify their disarming policies.:rolleyes:

Good point, Skunk. People tell me the same thing. "But, Kirk, what are you worried about in West Lafayette. A crazed research engineer? A biochemist with a broken beaker?" I look at them and smile--you never know. Be prepared for trouble and you will not have any.

cordex
June 30, 2003, 01:00 PM
Aren't we going to have someone questioning why the Police have AR 15's?
Only questioning why those tools are denied to non-LEOs in California. His particular tool may well be denied to just-folks elsewhere too.

El Tejon,
If'n I see a biochemist running around loony with a broken beaker, I'm going to practice the Way of the Receeding Foot because it's likely something I can't fight with pistol, rifle or shotgun.

Al Thompson
June 30, 2003, 01:07 PM
I'd like to think that I would do "something" other than "observe and report".

One of the places I work has a no weapons policy - even for the security folks. I like to keep a mental note on fire extinguisher locations - they're not pepper spray, but a face/lung full of soda bicarb is reportedly pretty nasty.

Tamara
June 30, 2003, 01:20 PM
but a face/lung full of soda bicarb is reportedly pretty nasty.

...and a whack on the melon with the empty would probably suck pretty bad, too. :D

Skunkabilly
June 30, 2003, 01:44 PM
I lived in Irvine for 5 years when I went to school. OC is a CCW-friendly county, by the way, even if the city of Irvine has a utopian HUA mentality towards guns, many of the popo are pro-gun.

I gotta swing by Ralph's after work today. You can bet your butt Grace is comin' along.

Delmar
June 30, 2003, 01:46 PM
How about a face full of Raid Yard Guard, a bucket of bleach, or go to the automotive section and get a bag of hammers? A grocery store is not a place to take everyone on with an oversized can opener. Too many weapons around, and right on the shelves.

Aikibiker
June 30, 2003, 01:52 PM
How many here, knowing some lunatic was running around with a sword in a friggin' grocery store, would head for wherever they kept brooms or similar, break the brush off, and rush into the fight? Assuming no gun, of course.

Given the way I am wired, I probably would do something foolish. Perhaps even with a broom handle since I have a little training in ken-tai-jo (Aikido exercises using a short staff to defend against a sword).

This goes double if kids are involved.

That said I would prefer to have my pistol handy for such an occasion. (thank you FL and your shall issue laws)

CZ-75
June 30, 2003, 01:52 PM
Aren't we going to have someone questioning why the Police have AR 15's?


No, but when you bring a sword to a gunfight, any decent caliber firearm will do, particularly a shotgun. Just because the cop killed the perp with one doesn't mean that he needed an AR-15.

Skunkabilly
June 30, 2003, 02:02 PM
No, but when you bring a sword to a gunfight, any decent caliber firearm will do, particularly a shotgun. Just because the cop killed the perp with one doesn't mean that he needed an AR-15.

Rule #2 of a gunfight: bring a long gun. Bring friends with long guns, which they did.

PenHolder
June 30, 2003, 02:07 PM
TheeBadOne:

Aren't we going to have someone questioning why the Police have AR 15's?
I only gripe and moan when I see cops here with AR-15s because we ordinary citizens are prohibited from buying them. If they're really just designed "not to be aimed, but to be spray-fired from the hip", to "kill as many people as possible in a short amount of time", these "bullet hoses" have no place in the hands of those who would Serve and Protect. There seems to be some cognitive dissonance on the part of our Legislature and populace. Personally, I like them, though I've only been able to fire one once.


WonderNine:

I don't know if you're disabled or what your physical condition is, but if you were unarmed yourself and "just carrying some OC spray" like you said, wouldn't you be one of those very same people who has delegated the responsibility of their own safety onto others?
I'm young and physically able, though a bit on the small side. I haven't delegated squat; I'm unarmed because the law prohibits me from going armed, and I'm one of those "nice guys" that obeys the law even though I disagree with it.

I've seen some good suggestions for grocery-store stuff to engage the guy with. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't be cowering in the corner wetting myself. I certainly would be in favor of beaning the goblin with anything at hand (mmm... soup cans...) But, I wouldn't do so without something besides clear floor between us (perhaps a good obstacle like some checkstands), and as soon as his attention switched to me I'd be out that door in a heartbeat, since I don't doubt for a second that nobody in the store would lift a finger to help me. The "Todd Beamers" in the population are just too sparse, at least out here in the Golden State. I wouldn't close to within 15yd of a guy weilding a machete who had just offed several people. No, no, and hell no. Not unless a loved one is next.

It's too bad Skunky wasn't in line with his 92G. The "Goin' Tactical" video comes to mind... :D

-PH

STW
June 30, 2003, 02:35 PM
I'm sorry but this couldn't have happened. You see, it is illegal to carry a sword in California. :evil:

bogie
June 30, 2003, 02:52 PM
This was a weird news weekend...

I mean, we have 50-something folks cramming onto a third story balcony in Chicago, and then wondering why it suddenly decides that gravity is the law?

I'm sorry, but I'll bet the thing wasn't designed to hold one ton, much less 2.5-5 tons... And I'll bet there were folks bouncing around and joking too.

Darwin was right.

Cosmoline
June 30, 2003, 03:25 PM
If I had no firearm, I would do what medieval peasants did when facing swords--GO TO THE GARDENING SECTION. The deadliest medieval weapons were, in fact, modified pruning and farming tools.

Skunkabilly
June 30, 2003, 03:36 PM
There are 3 Albersons in Irvine, I shop at the other two.

Penholder, no 92G, Blade-Tech is still a month out on carbon fiber Concealex. Right now all it's just Grace and 25 rounds of 9mm.

Reports were that people in the store were using things around the store to hold the BG off.

I know it's not my fight, but if the guy had a bladed weapon and I had a fist full of HK, I couldn't, with a clear conscience, beat feet. Now if he had a long gun and friends with long guns, that's another story. I know i'm not Batman (just Skunkman) but this one's got me thinking hard about it since it's literally so close to home.

Gordon Fink
June 30, 2003, 04:02 PM
I’m sorry but this couldn’t have happened. You see, it is illegal to carry a sword in California.

Actually, it’s not. So long as the sword is not concealed, it’s perfectly legal to carry it, according to my reading of the relevant code. However, it’s still probably not a good way to ingratiate yourself to the local cops.

~G. Fink

4v50 Gary
June 30, 2003, 04:32 PM
bogie - too funny!

BTW, the Gun Control laws certainly works well here. He must have known of it and used a sword instead. :rolleyes:

Ex-Doc
June 30, 2003, 05:23 PM
Last night, a Los Angeles news channel reported it as a SHOOTING in a grocery store, but didn't say how he killed the people inside, only that he killed two with a "weapon" before he was shot by police, the logo behind the news anchor said SHOOTING with a picture of a Berreta 92FS.

Ex-Doc
June 30, 2003, 05:27 PM
Sorry G. Fink but you are wrong. CA and local counties/cities have Dirk and Dagger ordinances. For the most part fixed blades must be under 3- 5" or are illegal to carry in any form and folding knives must be under 3- 5" depending on where you're at.

Ex-Doc
June 30, 2003, 05:31 PM
If CA had a patio collapse, like in Chicago, and Kill dozens it would be the first state to legislate gravity; You see they had a permit so it must have been gravitys' fault.

Gordon Fink
June 30, 2003, 06:15 PM
Doc, I believe the dagger/dirk restrictions apply to concealed carry but not to open carry. However, I’m not a lawyer. Neither would I tempt fate by walking through the local mall with a long sword hung from my belt. :D

~G. Fink

Skunkabilly
June 30, 2003, 06:26 PM
I guess I ought to stop open carrying my Strider MFS :p

Jay Bakerr
June 30, 2003, 06:26 PM
Ex-Doc, you weren't surprised that the pap dispensing propaganda meisters on the news tube, lied about the incident, and put a pistol up as the graphic, were you??

I lived in Los Angeles 35 years, and for at least 25 years, the communistnazis who control the teeeveee stations, did exactly that. Lies, distortions, half truths... are the standard style for those moronic Marxist Socialists who vomit out their propaganda each afternoon and night. No surprise to me they haven't changed a lick.

Expect nothing more from them and you'll never be disappointed.

J.B.

Mute
June 30, 2003, 07:30 PM
Given the gobblins reach advantage over me with a longer knife, I'd settle for dousing the scumbag down with some BBQ or lighter fluid and taking a match to him. These items can be easily found in any supermarket.

CGofMP
June 30, 2003, 07:38 PM
My VERY LIMITED study of the applicable law is WAY out of date but in the early 80's the two main knife laws were Penal Code sections 653k and 12020.

If I remember right - It was illegal to carry CONCEALDD UPON THE PERSON a dirk or dagger - IE: a weapon with at least two sharpened edges or primarily designed for stabbing. A machete or samurai sword was okay.

THIS INFORMATION MAY BE OUT OF DATE! But I will almost bet that the law is the same today.

You watch.... now the [recal him please] Gray Davis [/end recall editorial] led hogs in Sacramento will likely pass a law saying a fixed balde length over XXX is illegal.... I am SURE it would have deterred this alleged lowlife dirtbag if only another law had been in place.

Never mind he ignored penal code section 187....


As for the JOIN OR DIE flag.... Yes I re-designed it and you are free to use it anyplace you like. I love links back to: http://www.memorableplaces.com/m1garand/joinordie.html but the link is not needed in order to use the flag. Feel free to post the flag on any webpage or forum site.

Take care folks.... Un less of course you are in California... for our laws will protect us by their simply being inked into lawbooks....

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Number 6
June 30, 2003, 07:42 PM
Well the news was right in a way. There was a shooting but it was the police who did all of the shooting and they shot the guy with an AR-15. The OC register article was not as informative as the LAtimes. Here is the link to the LAtimes article.

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-slasher30jun30000416,1,1511849.story

Sven
June 30, 2003, 08:00 PM
That logo deserves its OWN thread.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=29127

Done.

-s

CGofMP
June 30, 2003, 08:03 PM
Heroics with sprays and chemicals and watermelons seem very cool.. however.... I am sorry.. but you got a guy determined to kill people off who is bouncing from asile to asile slashing and hacking... cans of soup and fruitrolls just aint gonna change his behavior except to make me a target.

Nope... sorry... call me a coward but unless I saw an absolutely blind side of him and had a fairly certain opening I am NOT gonna go become the next level of sushi meat. There is a time to retreat.

On the other hand if this was not California I'd have a CCW.... then like the Tactical Assault Skunk said... I could not in clear conscience walk away while others are being skewered. Some 230 grain FMJ would be on its way down the dogfood asile and I'd HOPE that I'd be able to have the presence of mind to be able to make it accurate enough to stop the naughty behavior. :-)

I'd like to never have to find out in person how I'd do. If I do however, I hope the HECK I am no longer in CCWless California when such a test comes.

Charles

El Rojo
June 30, 2003, 08:04 PM
I live in Kern County and if it had happened at my grocery store, I would have had to draw. That is the nice thing about the PRK, not many people carrying but a handful of CCWs and a few cops. Therefore we don't have any of those "do not carry" signs and if someone does decide to do a sword rampage around me, I am going to do what I have to do to defend my life. In Los Angeles? Forget about it.

Bruce H
June 30, 2003, 08:05 PM
Or a bic lighter and a cheap large can of hair spray. Any canned goods with decent velocity. There has to be a calibre type argument there somewhere.

Tman
June 30, 2003, 08:16 PM
Dang, I used to live only a couple of miles away from that store. Irvine was/is (?) one of the top 10 safest cities (with population > 100,000) in America. Didn't seem to have changed since I visited there last year (until now????).

Skunkabilly
June 30, 2003, 08:54 PM
Or a bic lighter and a cheap large can of hair spray. Any canned goods with decent velocity. There has to be a calibre type argument there somewhere.

Does that actually work? I seen it on TV and video games but never bothered to try it in person. Like many other things I see on TV and video games, I let the professionals and people on MTV's Jackass test drive before I do it.

Got my two cans of vegetables unscathed today. :rolleyes:

Al Thompson
June 30, 2003, 09:02 PM
Use cheap hairspray, better yet, WD-40. Range is limited though. Like 3 feet.

Works great on wasp's nests.

Standing Wolf
June 30, 2003, 09:04 PM
Outstanding flag!

Skunkabilly
June 30, 2003, 09:08 PM
Use cheap hairspray, better yet, WD-40. Range is limited though. Like 3 feet.

Reports said the sword was a 3-footer. :uhoh:

Al, can we merge threads?

SIC TRANSIT GLORIA MUNDI
June 30, 2003, 09:29 PM
A group of enraged patrons throwing canned goods at the sob could put him in a world of hurt, sword or no sword.

Al Thompson
June 30, 2003, 09:33 PM
Skunk, which threads would that be?

Thrre feet of sword with a PK of .8 versus three foot of flame that requires some dwell time to be effective. Hmmmm....

Sword wins.

SIC - five patrons re-enacting a Biblical stoning - sounds like civics in action to me!

Matt G
June 30, 2003, 09:39 PM
Merging to existing thread in General Discussion.



Stand by....


--M.G.

Skunkabilly
June 30, 2003, 09:40 PM
Al Thompson, here
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=29019
But the thread veered over to posts about the flag, which now also has it's on thread :D

Never mind I guess ;)

Edited MattG merged them as I was typing this...never mind again :o

Matt G
June 30, 2003, 09:40 PM
Merge complete.

Moving to General Discussion.


Stand... By....


---M.G.

tyme
July 1, 2003, 02:46 AM
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-slasher30jun30000416,1,1511849.story
(from LATIMES, requires login)

A man wielding a samurai-style sword killed two people and wounded three others at an Irvine supermarket Sunday before his bloody rampage ended with a fatal volley of police gunfire. [volley: n. a set of missiles/projectiles simultaneously airborne, or an exchange of missiles/projectiles. I've never heard of a few shots from a firearm being called a "volley," but I suppose there's a first time for everything, especially in CA.]

The deadly attack occurred about 9:35 a.m. inside the Albertsons at Culver Drive and Irvine Boulevard, when Joseph Parker, a 30-year-old bagger known for erratic behavior, entered the market where he worked and began slashing employees and customers, witnesses said.

Wearing a green beret and a long, dark coat, the Santa Ana man pulled out a sword with a 3-foot blade and calmly attacked in silence, almost beheading one of his victims. As he roamed the store, employees armed with barbecue utensils, mayonnaise jars and trashcan lids tried to corner him.

"There were trails of blood everywhere. People were running. A lady was screaming," said Javier Ascencio, 38, of Irvine, who was returning a gallon of spoiled milk. "I was yelling for everyone to get out. Things just happened so fast."

Scores of customers, including the wounded, fled from the market in Northwood, an affluent part of one of the state's safest big cities. On Sunday morning, the store and adjacent retail center were filled with shoppers, people walking dogs and boys in baseball uniforms. Forty to 50 people were in the Albertsons.

"It was mass hysteria" outside the store, said Terry Fowler, a nurse who helped staff an impromptu triage center. "Everybody was in shock." [Roll out the clichés!]

The supermarket "is like my extended family," said Linda Kouri, 65, of Tustin Ranch. "I know everybody, and they know me and my grandson. It is so sad. I just get the chills thinking about what happened here."

Police said two longtime Albertsons employees, Judith Fleming, 55, and John G. Nutting, 60, were killed. Two customers and another employee suffered moderate to serious slash and stab wounds. They were taken to Western Medical Center-Santa Ana, where they were scheduled for surgery.
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About 10 minutes after the attack began, Irvine police shot Parker, who was taken to the same hospital as his victims. Doctors pronounced him dead of his wounds. [I understand that it takes 10 minutes for police to get there and deal with the scumbag, but what happened during those 10 minutes? Hello, Reporters!? What was Mr. Trenchcoat doing, practicing martial art forms in the parking lot waiting for the police so he could suicide by cop?]

"The officer was confronted by the suspect, and the officer fired his weapon," said Police Lt. Jeff Love.

Police declined to speculate on a motive for the attack, but store employees and customers who were acquainted with Parker said that he acted distant, talked about religion and often behaved erratically. They said he would talk to himself in gibberish as he walked along the row of checkout counters or smoked outside the store.

"I have always told people that he was going to do something crazy someday," said Karl Wieduwilt, a young bagger at the store, who worked with Parker for more than two years.

Others said Parker was unpleasant to be around and was not the type of person they would want working for them, although some workers said they got along well with him.

"He was a pretty scary-looking dude," said Dave Wessler of Irvine, a regular customer. "I could not believe this guy worked at this store. They were good about hiring handicapped people, but he was a little too over the edge."

A law enforcement official who spoke on condition of anonymity said Parker had been detained at least twice by police for mental health reasons in the last few years. The last, the official said, was Jan. 15 at another store in the same shopping center.

According to an employee and the law enforcement official, Parker had not shown up to work for a few days. He reportedly approached the store manager Sunday, said that a friend had recently died and asked for some time off.

It was unclear what the manager's response was. After walking away from the manager, they said, Parker drew the sword from a sheath beneath his coat.

Witnesses said Parker cornered Nutting near the front of the store and stabbed him in the torso. He slashed Fleming across the throat, nearly beheading her.

Employees then chased Parker around the store, helped by workers from nearby retailers. They armed themselves with items from the store's aisles, including trashcan lids and items from the barbecue section.

"I was yelling at the top of my lungs for everyone to get out of the store," said shopper Ascencio, who armed himself with a metal chair and followed Parker from aisle to aisle. "It looked like he was going after employees and anyone who tried to help the employees."

The hysteria spilled into the parking lot, where nurse Fowler and a doctor treated the wounded, using shirts and belts from passersby as tourniquets and bandages.

The victims suffered deep lacerations to their arms, and one was cut on the back and across the forehead.

Fowler, 45, director of ambulatory care at UCI Medical Center in Orange, was in the toothpaste aisle when she heard a woman screaming that a man had killed one of the workers.

"She was holding her arm and she was bleeding," Fowler said. "I looked up and down the aisle, and I saw a man with a trench coat on and a sword holding it above his head It was just enough for me to say, 'Where's the nearest exit? I need to get out of here.' "

Meanwhile, witnesses said three officers entered the store about nine minutes after the first 911 call. Police reportedly confronted Parker and ordered him to drop his sword. Parker refused, they said, and one officer opened fire with an AR-15, the civilian version of the military's M-16 assault rifle. [As usual, the LATIMES has it wrong. The AR-15 is not a civilian weapon in CA... not anymore at least.]

"He's a hero," one law enforcement source said of the officer. "He saved a lot of lives today."
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In the aftermath, police took employees and customers to department headquarters for questioning. Officers led groups of hugging, crying witnesses from the store to a a restaurant, where they boarded a bus.
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CGofMP
July 1, 2003, 02:54 AM
Metal chairs and mayonaise jars....

California's gunshops should open a new market for these first rate defensive items that turned the tide on what wopuld have otherwise been a bloodbath.

..oh wait.... it was a bloodbath....

SOMEONE... ANYONE.... Get me out of this anti CCW state...please...

:banghead:

SIGarmed
July 1, 2003, 03:18 AM
What a hero. He(police officer carrying what I can't in said situation) is one of the few that is allowed to adequately protect himself in said situation and he's called a hero. How pathetic.

gunsmith
July 1, 2003, 03:35 AM
I would have gotten the hornet insecticide,you have a thirty foot
stream with that...though it says on the can that it's illegal
to do that,I would have told the judge "he was bugging me":neener:

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