[para.2]

Tried a search on this, and couldn't find anything. Assuming it could be done, would it be legal under current law to pin the stock on an M-forgery into a more retracted/compact position? This of course assumes it wouldn't violate minimum OAL restrictions. Inquiring minds, and all that.:confused:

[Redlg155]

Fixing it to a non collapsible state would be legal provided that you do it in a manner that it would be permanently fixed in one position. How you do it is up to you, but bear in mind it would have to suffer the scrutiny of the ATF should you ever get checked out.

I think a better solution would be to get either a short "Entry" type stock or one of the AFX-E shorty stocks. They use a short carbine buffer tube and end up being close to an M4 stock ajusted a couple clicks out. You can always add a pad or spacer later if you so desire to get it up to A1 stock length.

Good Shooting
Red

[para.2]

Thanks for the quick reply, Red. I've been looking at those AFX-E's, and that may indeed be the better choice, just gathering info, at this point.;)

[Kharn]

Considering the ATF's standard for determining if a muzzle device is permanetly affixed is to put the barrel in a vise and torque the muzzle device with a pipe wrench until either the device breaks free or the barrel twists (the former happens, you go to jail, the latter happens, you just lose the barrel), I'd be a little cautious attempting to fix a telestock.

Kharn

[para.2]

Thanks to you, too, Kharn. As I say, I was just gathering info, and the more I learn, the more inclined I am to go some other way, at least until we get the AWB to sunset.

[Johnny Guest]

A friend recently specially ordered a Rock River Arms shorty AR for his wife. She is a small woman, and it is much easier for her for her to shoot with a shorter stock. The standard stock has four positions - - - Fully collapsed, fully extended, and two intermediate positions. The RR people simply drilled and pinned the stock in the next-shorter-than-fully-extended position. It would take quite a bit of work to remove the pin, and the company was confident it is approved by BATFE. You have to look closely to see the modification, and really, it is pretty usable even for a full size person.

Best,
Johnny

[Watch-Six]

I recently bought a DPMS light weight post ban AR with a pinned telestyle stock. It is just held in position by two blind roll pins. I brought up this same question on AR15.com and really opened a can of worms. I got some very strong data that this is NOT adequate according to the BATF. I wanted to pin another stock in a shorter position and then put it on the DPMS. I called the DPMS factory, and they insisted that their product was perfectly legal. In the end I just left the rifle alone. It was too much bother. Reason would say that it would be ok to pin a stock at any fixed length as long as the weapon's over all length was legal. Regrettably reason and the BATF don't always go together. Watch-Six

[Shooter973]

I'm not advocating doing this, but has anybody ever been arrested for making these kind of changes to a post ban rifle? I haven't heard about anybody even being checked to see if it's pre or post ban. I don't think that the LEO's even care. Never heard of anyone being charged or arrested. If you have, please show some of the details please! :confused:

[Hkmp5sd]

I haven't heard about anybody even being checked to see if it's pre or post ban. I don't think that the LEO's even care. Never heard of anyone being charged or arrested. If you have, please show some of the details please!

YEP! Courtesy of Gewehr98:

Huge fine for owner of capital gun store: $500,000 for selling illegal assault arms
By Denny Walsh
Bee Staff Writer
(Published May 13, 2000)

A federal judge Friday fined the corporate owner of Sacramento's largest gun store $500,000 for marketing illegal assault weapons. It is the biggest criminal fine ever levied against a U.S. gun retailer.

Two semiautomatic .22-caliber Ruger rifles with detachable magazines, pistol grips and folding stocks were on display when agents of the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms visited Great Guns on March 8, 1999. Under the 1994 law, semiautomatic rifles in that configuration are illegal because they can more easily be concealed and can be fired from the hip.

http://classic.sacbee.com/news/news/old/local02_20000513.html

[Chipperman]

I think the usual scenario for AW ban violations getting nailed is that the people are ALREADY in trouble for something else.

I know guys that have put collapsing stocks on Post Ban guns and are not worried. IMO it's just not worth the risk.

[Johnny Guest]

Chipperman wrote IMO it's just not worth the risk. Concur completely. This is probably the best summation.

You'll seldom read anyone on THR saying, No, NO! YOU MUST NOT DO THAT! But if any one here is planning to commit a knowing violation of federal law, please, keep it to yourself. :D

Best,
Johnny