What wrong with showing pics in 'the hunt' of shot annimals that show blood?


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sasnofear
January 8, 2003, 04:33 PM
it is entitled the 'hunt' after all, a hunter who hasn't seen a dead animal is some weird hunter! I MEAN LOOK AT THE TITLE OF THE THREAD!!!!!!!!!!!

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KMKeller
January 8, 2003, 04:39 PM
It's for the children...

Drjones
January 8, 2003, 04:42 PM
Guns are bad.

Killing is bad.

Blood is bad.

Hunting is bad.

You are bad.








:rolleyes:

sasnofear
January 8, 2003, 04:42 PM
if someone sees the title they know what to expect and its their choice to enter

Drjones
January 8, 2003, 04:46 PM
Dude, it was a joke!!!

You really think I'd be around here if I thought that way??? :neener:

Hell, I got pics at home (I'll post later if ya want...) of a deer that went through a guy's windshield, spilling its guts all over. Sorta cool in a "slow-down-to-see-the-accident" sorta way... :scrutiny: :uhoh: :o

sasnofear
January 8, 2003, 04:48 PM
guns r bad and ur a senior member ?

Drjones
January 8, 2003, 04:51 PM
See my post just above yours.

Hang around here for a bit, and we'll teach ya some humor, by golly!!!!!

Where's Tam? She's the best one to learn from!!!

So you wanna see the deer pics, or not? (No I'm not anxious to show them off...:cool: )

Dave P
January 8, 2003, 04:52 PM
guns r bad cause dr doesn't have enough!

Drjones
January 8, 2003, 04:55 PM
DING DING DING!!!!

Dave's a winner!!!

Ok, to seriously address the topic of the thread (methinks we've wandered far enough...) people are stupid.

They think hunting is stupid. So do I, actually, unless you eat it. If you kill just to have a neato, blood-stained photo, THEN I've got a big problem with you.

sasnofear
January 8, 2003, 04:57 PM
ok saw u thread. u can post on this threat the pics as well

sasnofear
January 8, 2003, 04:59 PM
but as its 'general' discussion i dont know if we're allowed?

AZTOY
January 8, 2003, 04:59 PM
http://www.toyotaoffroad.net/tando/yotatech/need_ARB_bumper/Deer%20vs%20Durango.jpg http://www.toyotaoffroad.net/tando/yotatech/need_ARB_bumper/Deer%20vs%20Durango%207.jpg


Some people don't like seeing the blood. I realy don't care!!:neener:

Mal H
January 8, 2003, 04:59 PM
I give sasnofear, where does it say you can't have pics with blood in them in The Hunt? I probably missed it somewhere, but I searched and could find no reference. Did you get a PM or something?

You're right, of course, blood in hunting is just a part of the game, so to speak.

sasnofear
January 8, 2003, 05:02 PM
if someone complains about that, then its quite sad! not being a gore freak here or anything but it is interesting to see different rounds effects on prey exit holes etc. its part and parcel of hunting! see if some things are to much or to little gun.

Drjones
January 8, 2003, 05:02 PM
Yep, those are the pics, allright! I even have a couple more of the same scene....:uhoh:

Ya know...it looks so peaceful there with its legs all stretched out on the hood....kinda like he's just taking a nap! Poor li'l buggah... :(

AZTOY
January 8, 2003, 05:05 PM
Drjones


You are right there are more but 2 should do!:D

sasnofear
January 8, 2003, 05:08 PM
lets hope 4 the ppl inside it didnt have antlers :)

Mal H
January 8, 2003, 05:09 PM
Is there a separate Durango hunting season in Minnesota? Do you need a special tag or does your standard hunting license cover it? Must be awfully hard to aim that thing, but that driver was a damn good shot! :D

Drjones
January 8, 2003, 05:12 PM
Is there a separate Durango hunting season in Minnesota? Do you need a special tag or does your standard hunting license cover it? Must be awfully hard to aim that thing, but that driver was a damn good shot!

I don't get it: who was doing the hunting, the deer or the dodge? They're BOTH out of commission!!!:evil:

AZTOY
January 8, 2003, 05:13 PM
lets hope 4 the ppl inside it didnt have antlers

One of the anters broke off and is laying on the floor.:what: http://www.toyotaoffroad.net/tando/yotatech/need_ARB_bumper/Deer%20vs%20Durango%203%20.jpg

sasnofear
January 8, 2003, 05:17 PM
did the deer hit the car or the car hit it :)

whoowa, it hit @ some clout!

RustyHammer
January 8, 2003, 05:19 PM
"Oh, dear .... look at that" ...

Now let's go out for a steak!

:banghead:

Mal H
January 8, 2003, 05:20 PM
sasnofear - Are you ignoring my question (about 20 minutes ago)? I really am interested in what made you start this thread.

AZTOY
January 8, 2003, 05:23 PM
did the deer hit the car or the car hit it

The article that I read on this mishap stated the deer was running over an overpass when it was spooked by another vehicle and in it's panic it jump over the side of the over pass onto the Durango. Probably a 14 foot fall. The head and neck probably hit the roof and the body weight momentum probably carried it into the cab - no passengers and no one was injured.

IdahoFarmer
January 8, 2003, 05:27 PM
wow... that is a crazy sight... if no passengers were injured I imagine there was no one present in the front passenger seat.

Picture driving down the freeway and hitting a falling dear. whoa!

4v50 Gary
January 8, 2003, 05:30 PM
How'd this happen? Don't see any damage on the grill and did this sucker just leap through the windshield (look at the hind-legs). Geez, I'd hate to be the driver.

Personally I love gentle woodland creatures like the deer. I love them so much that I invite them home to dinner with me. Of course, on my terms (bow or arrow & not by car) and yes, they are the main course.

I do recall a recent thread in our hunting forum where someone posted a pic of a bunny he shot. The member took out the "blood" and I posted that that wasn't necessary.

AZTOY
January 8, 2003, 05:37 PM
4v50 Gary

The guy was fine.He had a small cut .(look at his head)

http://www.toyotaoffroad.net/tando/yotatech/need_ARB_bumper/Deer%20vs%20Durango%206.jpg

4v50 Gary
January 8, 2003, 05:44 PM
There's blood on his head, now I'm going to faint. ;)

Did the driver describe what happened and can you share it?

Drjones
January 8, 2003, 05:47 PM
The article that I read on this mishap stated the deer was running over an overpass when it was spooked by another vehicle and in it's panic it jump over the side of the over pass onto the Durango. Probably a 14 foot fall. The head and neck probably hit the roof and the body weight momentum probably carried it into the cab - no passengers and no one was injured.

M67
January 8, 2003, 07:39 PM
TFL flashback :)

I posted this one in the "Durango-season" thread back there too. Smaller car, bigger deer. The article that accompanied this said that none of the four people in the car were (seriously) injured. It didn't say whether their underwear survived, though.

Okiecruffler
January 8, 2003, 09:50 PM
I hit a deer once while driving a Subaru station wagon with much the same result. You just haven't lived until you've been driving down te road, minding your own business, and suddenly there's a deer in your passenger seat. Luckily it was a company vehicle.

Another question. I've checked my reloading manuals, my Shooter's Bibles, and my Gun Digest, but I can't find the answer. Just what is the muzzle energy of a Durango? How about drop at 100yrds?

PATH
January 8, 2003, 10:01 PM
Well the pictures sre pretty gruesome but neat. Hunting involves blood and I saay steaks are best medium rare.:neener:

John Galt
January 8, 2003, 11:00 PM
Cart Wt Vel Energy
grn fps fpe
.22lr 40 1255 139
45acp 230 880 396
223 40 3700 1216
30-06 180 2750 3022

Durango 35000000 88 602137

200X more energy than a 30-06, but doesn't move very fast. Not much "splatter" effect, but lots of energy.

bedlamite
January 9, 2003, 08:38 AM
Yeah, but I bet the taylor KO is astronomical. :neener:

coati
January 9, 2003, 08:55 AM
These pictures are all posted along with the veracity of the story on Snopes.com. The Durango driver was one fortunate guy.

It's kind of the ultimate safety lesson about overdriving your headlights in rut season (but that's not what happened here).

Don Gwinn
January 9, 2003, 01:12 PM
SASNoFear, I share Mal's puzzlement. You've been ranting about this silly "no blood in the photos" rule for a day now. I admit that when you first posted it, I thought "well, he has a point. That doesn't really make sense."

But then Mal asked you why you're so angry, given that there's no rule about blood in pictures in the hunting forum. I looked too. I didn't find any such rule, nor did I find any thread you started, in which you might have been warned to stop posting such pictures. It has now been a day since Mal asked you what you're so upset about, and you haven't yet shared it with us. What's the problem?

4v50 Gary
January 9, 2003, 05:55 PM
Wait a minute John Gait, are you saying that this proves big slow objects stop more effectively than fast, high velocity objects?

Okiecruffler
January 9, 2003, 06:10 PM
See, I was always right, slow and heavy is the way to go. Now we just need some real street data or maybe a goat test or two on the Durango. Then we can get published in car and driver magazine.


What was the original question again?:confused:

Roadrunner
January 9, 2003, 06:12 PM
It seems like only recently (last couple of years) that these shows actually showed the bullet or shot impact on the animals. In the past, just before the shot, the camera angle would change to the hunter, not the animal. The only exception to this are the duck and upland bird hunting shows "Hunting with Hank."

45R
January 9, 2003, 06:25 PM
The guy probably made off with steaks and a check from insurance for a new Dodge. WOW:what:

Sactown
January 9, 2003, 07:10 PM
I agree with Roadrunner, it seems only recently that you see the animal get shot.

I especially like the "hunts" where the "hunter" sits in the heated guard tower thing in the middle of a clear field and waits for the animals to come into the clearing. The "hunter" is always proclaiming, "Man, that was a great hunt". Uh, ok.

Thumper
January 9, 2003, 11:27 PM
To answer the original question, I've always understood that harvested game photos shouldn't show blood and the tongue should be placed back in the animal's mouth and not hanging out.

The reason for this is to show some level of respect for the animal.

No recriminations here, but you either get that or you don't.

spacemanspiff
January 9, 2003, 11:40 PM
this reminds me...i was watching an outdoors program a few weeks back, they were hunting deer, and for some idiotic reason, they blacked out the animal just as it was being shot and dropped.
whats the point of taping a show about hunting if the entire scene is ruined by a censored patch right at the key moment?

sasnofear
January 11, 2003, 02:48 PM
sorry Mal H, i didn't spot ur question.

i saw a pic of someone posting a shot rabbit & rifle with square grey bit over the rabbit and the autor of the thread saying somethink like "i covered the blood i hope this is ok administrators?"

so i thought it was not allowed and thats why i started this thread!

4v50 Gary
January 11, 2003, 02:53 PM
sasnofear: I originally responded to that question about the rabbit and suggested leaving the picture unretouched. It's a hunting picture and it's not like Elmer Fudd went out with an axe and cleaved the critter's head off - after a couple of clumsy attempts. Now that would be a different story.

TallPine
January 11, 2003, 09:21 PM
Picture driving down the freeway and hitting a falling dear. whoa!

Sign on the highway:

"Watch for falling deer - Next 5 miles"

:D

Keith
January 12, 2003, 03:25 PM
Is there a formula comparing the ballistics and knock-down power of various vehicles?

I've always maintained that a standard US pick-up truck is ballistically superior to other vehicles because of the weight, and of course the large meplat which helps deliver more kinetic energy to the target.

However, it can be argued that a lighter, faster spire-pointed vehicle might have certain advantages as well, but perhaps such a vehicle would be over-penetrative?

Some of the new imported sub-compacts hold great promise since they are essentially hollow-points, but I don't know how fast it has to be going to get decent expansion.

Anybody want to get together and drive vehicles into ballstic gelatin as an experiment.. or maybe goats would be better?

Keith

TheActor
January 12, 2003, 08:49 PM
I like watching hunting shows since I don't get to do much myself lately. It is pretty lame to see obvous "canned" hunts though. I watched a couple of yahoos elk hunting actually walk within 15 yards of a obviously tame bull and shoot it with an arrow that was sticking halfway out of it as it walked off. That's not hunting.

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