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Mike Sr.
July 22, 2007, 10:43 AM
""I pulled this off of another forum because I thought it was something everyone needed to read. I do believe there still are some people that understand the second amendment...and that my friends is a wonderful thing.""


Finally...A Line In the Sand
From The Outdoorwire:

"Pike County is renowned for some of the best whitetail and wild turkey hunting in Illinois. That deserved reputation has turned hunting into a significant revenue source for the county and its residents.

A threat to that revenue may cause Pittsfield, the county seat, to someday be known as the spot where a quiet groundswell of protest against the growing proliferation of firearms restrictions finally erupted into grassroots action.

On Tuesday evening the Pike County Board citing the Second Amendment of the Constitution of the United States, passed a resolution saying no to any state legislation limiting the right to keep and bear arms would be recognized in Pike County.

Their resolution minces no words:

"Now, Therefore, It Be And Is Hereby Resolved, that the people of Pike County, Illinois, do oppose the enactment of any legislation that would infringe upon the Right of the People to Keep and Bear Arms, and deem such laws to be Unconstitutional and beyond lawful Legislative Authority."

In short, no state law placing any limitations on firearms will be valid in Pike County.

This action is aimed squarely at a measure currently being proposed by the state legislature. This proposed state legislation would outlaw semiautomatic firearms and ban .50 caliber firearms (including muzzleloaders). It is being championed by two Chicago residents: Mayor Richard M. Daley and Illinois Governor Rod Blagojevich.

It may be popular in Chicago political circles, but it's not going to win Blagojevich any votes in Pike County.

One of the two Pike County Board Members who sponsored the Resolution, Robert Kanady, says he hopes the measure would "be the spark that lights a cannon heard all across the United States."

Co-sponsor Mark Mountain said: "We have to stand up. We have to voice our opinion. As an individual, it doesn't mean much. As a county, it means more. As three or four counties, it means a lot."

In recognition of the resolution's importance, the Tuesday meeting was reportedly the most heavily attended public meeting in county history. Residents overflowed the courtroom, spilling out into the courthouse rotunda.

The measure also had extensive public discussion. At one point, a reluctant commissioner raised concerns that perhaps the measure was a "political hot button" and not something in which a county government should involve itself.

That drew an emotional response from one resident:

"This proposed legislation would greatly harm the citizens of this county, and we believe the members of our County Board are bound by the oaths of office to speak for us on this issue.

"The issue here is not politics, the issue is freedom. Freedom began in this nation more than 200 years ago, when small groups of people like us, in towns even smaller than ours, gathered together to tell the King who tried to rule them from a huge city an ocean away, 'Enough is enough!' Freedom will only survive today if we have the courage to do the same."

In closing, he offered: "In this room tonight we are not conservatives; we are not liberals. In this room tonight we are not Democrats; we are not Republicans. In this room tonight we are Americans."

The standing ovation he received was apparently enough to convince the Commission to overwhelmingly pass the measure.

Pike County's resolution may, indeed, be unprecedented in modern history. Our research (albeit brief at this point) has yet to produce another instance of a county government having voted to refuse to enforce proposed state statutes it viewed to be in conflict with federal law.

And the Pike County Resolution minces no words as to why they felt the action necessary: "the People of Pike County, Illinois, derive great economic benefit from all safe forms of firearms recreation, hunting, and shooting conducted within Pike County using all types of firearms allowable under the United States Constitution and the Constitution of the State of Illinois."

The resolution also cites the Commission's sworn duty to uphold the United States Constitution and the Constitution of the State of Illinois, saying the proposed legislation currently under consideration by the Illinois State Legislature would "infringe the Right of the People to Keep and Bear Arms, and would ban the possession and use of firearms now employed by individual citizens in Pike County, Illinois, for defense of Life, Liberty, and Property, and would ban the possession and use of firearms now employed for safe forms of firearms recreation, hunting, and shooting conducted within Pike County, Illinois.

In Canada, several provincial governments flatly refused to enforce revisions to the country's firearms registry. The provincial governments said the changers were not only ill advised, but unenforceable. Eventually their resistance became a major political factor, turning out the liberal ruling party and electing a conservative government that has systematically dismantled the registry.

The decision in Pike County was not one that was lightly made, nor considered. Officials had carried on quiet talks with outside Illinois before Tuesday evening's vote. We have learned those talks have led other local governments to begin considering similar measures as a means of expressing their displeasure with attempts to legislate firearms out of the hands of law-abiding citizens.

Individuals involved in those conversations speak of the frustration of a large, and formerly quiet group of citizens who feel the will of the majority of the people is being ignored by legislators.

Should Pike County's resolution catch on across Illinois and correspondingly across America, this single action taken by a small county government may, indeed, ignite a chain of similar actions across the country that serve notice that the majority opinion of Americans heartland regarding firearms will no longer be ignored. "

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DID ANYONE HEAR ABOUT THIS FROM ANY TV OR RADIO MEDIA?

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Regolith
July 22, 2007, 11:06 AM
All I got to say is bravo. Here's to Pike County.

GlenJ
July 22, 2007, 11:13 AM
"Pike County is renowned for some of the best whitetail and wild turkey hunting in Illinois. That deserved reputation has turned hunting into a significant revenue source for the county and its residents.

A threat to that revenue may cause Pittsfield, the county seat, to someday be known as the spot where a quiet groundswell of protest against the growing proliferation of firearms restrictions finally erupted into grassroots action.

On Tuesday evening the Pike County Board citing the Second Amendment of the Constitution of the United States, passed a resolution saying no to any state legislation limiting the right to keep and bear arms would be recognized in Pike County.

Are they really protecting gun rights as much as they are protecting there right to make money from hunting. I bet if hunting firearms weren't affected by this then they would have done nothing.

Regolith
July 22, 2007, 11:23 AM
Yeah, because if you care about hunting you obviously don't REALLY care about the Second Amendment. :rolleyes:

They sited SEVERAL reasons for their oppositon:

The resolution also cites the Commission's sworn duty to uphold the United States Constitution and the Constitution of the State of Illinois, saying the proposed legislation currently under consideration by the Illinois State Legislature would "infringe the Right of the People to Keep and Bear Arms, and would ban the possession and use of firearms now employed by individual citizens in Pike County, Illinois, for defense of Life, Liberty, and Property, and would ban the possession and use of firearms now employed for safe forms of firearms recreation, hunting, and shooting conducted within Pike County, Illinois.

PAshooter
July 22, 2007, 11:24 AM
Are they really protecting gun rights as much as they are protecting there right to make money from hunting. I bet if hunting firearms weren't affected by this then they would have done nothing.

Perhaps. Perhaps not. What does it matter? The resolution they passed cites the second ammendment of the U.S. Constitution and says that NO LAW limiting the right to keep and bear (any) arms will be tolerated.

Good enough for me, regardless of the motivation.

john1911
July 22, 2007, 11:25 AM
Guys, this is spreading like wildfire all across Illinois. Last I heard, we're up to 18 counties passing similar resolutions with several more looking at the issue. All this since April of this year.

Here's a thread on the issue. There is a map showing the progress on pg. 14.
http://illinoiscarry.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=5136

PAshooter
July 22, 2007, 11:29 AM
Love to see this happen in my former state of residence - Maryland. There are plenty of conservative counties in western MD... most of the lib anti freedom nonsense springs from Baltimore City, Montgomery, and PG Counties.

Maryland already has some of the most onerous gun laws in the nation, and nary a legislative session comes up without talk of "assault weapons" bans and other limits on liberty. C'mon guys, if it can happen in Illinois why not here?

Edited to add: reread my post and had second thoughts about this being a liberal vs. conservative issue. The issue is really about government control vs. freedom, which, in the case of Illinois, appears to cross political boundaries (as it should).

Regolith
July 22, 2007, 11:31 AM
john...can you post that map in this thread? Those forums don't allow non-members to view media.

john1911
July 22, 2007, 01:55 PM
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m145/john1911/illinoismap.jpg

Regolith
July 22, 2007, 02:11 PM
Thanks john. I see its spreading fairly fast. Who knows, you guys keep pushing and you might turn Illinois completely around.

BigRobT
July 22, 2007, 02:22 PM
I really have to wonder why people keep voting for these politicians when they should know better?? I know that Chicago is heavily populated and probably holds a majority vote, but it sure seems as if people would know better. We face a similar problem in Minnesota where the Metro areas seem to outweigh the outstate areas. Seems to me, that on the whole, the politicians have run amok with power. It's time to get some REAL leaders in office throughout the nation.

streicherr
July 22, 2007, 02:29 PM
Are they really protecting gun rights as much as they are protecting there right to make money from hunting. I bet if hunting firearms weren't affected by this then they would have done nothing.
None of the above. The officials are protecting their right to get re-elected.

As this movement gains momentum and spreads, it gives politicians a reason to support the 2A, i.e. supporting it is more likely to get them elected than opposing it. Once they get elected, in other offices, local/state/etc, eventually there's enough support that even the anti's are afraid to oppose the legislation and feel they must join in, then something can get done. Thus we don't necessarily even have to wait for a true majority to get some traction. Personally I wouldn't care whether these guys motivations are related to revenue from hunting, 2A concerns, or whatever. What they're supporting is right, and deserves to be protected in law. There are all sorts of valid reasons and motivations to overturn Ill. odious restrictions. Some more valid or more noble than others, but all of them combined bring more pressure to the table than only the "proper" motivations. The road is uphill and long. Lets not turn away any help at this point.

Randy

john1911
July 22, 2007, 02:55 PM
I really have to wonder why people keep voting for these politicians when they should know better?? I know that Chicago is heavily populated and probably holds a majority vote,

That's the problem. Most of the voters in Chicago really don't care about the 2A, they vote for the people that are going to keep the entitlement programs going.

PAshooter
July 22, 2007, 08:23 PM
That's the problem. Most of the voters in Chicago really don't care about the 2A, they vote for the people that are going to keep the entitlement programs going.

BINGO!

It's not just Chicago... it's a nationwide problem. Ask not the meaning of liberty or responsibility, ask "what has my government done for me today?"

Standing Wolf
July 22, 2007, 10:55 PM
Most of the voters in Chicago really don't care about the 2A, they vote for the people that are going to keep the entitlement programs going.

Few forms of corruption are more evil than buying votes with dollars from the public treasury.

Samuraigg
July 22, 2007, 11:15 PM
Good for them. Let Chicago pass all the gun laws they want in the city. But keep them out of the rest of the state!

Something has to be said to applaud the rest of Illinois for standing up to Chicago. They have fought very well. Keep in mind this state still has no AWB, still has no high cap magazine ban.

I get an immense amount of pleasure from seeing how pissed Daley gets when his gun control initiatives fail. :)

sturmgewehr
July 22, 2007, 11:30 PM
So there is some hope for that state yet. I bailed on them in 2000 and will never go back.

Patriot-Brewer
July 23, 2007, 12:38 AM
OK Far-Northern and Eastern California, get your counties onto this (please).



Bet a lot of you didn't know there was an "eastern" Cali?

john1911
July 23, 2007, 12:56 AM
Bet a lot of you didn't know there was an "eastern" Cali?

Never been there but, I bet California is a lot like Illinois. Beautiful country and nice people spoiled by liberal, urban cesspools.

IA_farmboy
July 23, 2007, 12:58 AM
A few things I picked up about how our legal system works.

(Note: I am not a lawyer)

I found out that the police are under no obligation to charge you with a crime. If they see you speed they can let you just keep on going. If they do stop you they can simply remind you to watch your speed. Of course they can write you a ticket and expect you to pay the fine. So a LEO in Pike County can quite legally refuse to enforce the state law.

There is the concept of Jury Nullification.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jury_nullification
What that means is that if one should have a trial by peers the jury can render a not guilty verdict even though there is no reasonable doubt, just that the jury disagrees with the law. So if a person is charged with a firearms violation (assuming a LEO didn't read the resolution) the jury may simply render a not guilty verdict, essentially nullifying the law.

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