22 Decision - CZ Kadet, Kadet Conversion or 45 Conversion


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viking499
July 25, 2007, 06:13 PM
Thinking about this last year and ended up buying a rifle instead. Now that the gun fun is replenished, I have the same problem again. Thought I had it solved when I decided to but a 5 1/2" buckmark (already have a 4"buckmark, just wanting another 22 pistol).

I am looking for info and recommendations from you guys.

My problem is - Which one of the following do I get?

-Complete Kadet pistol
-Kadet Conversion kit (I have a CZ 75 40 cal)
-Coversion kit to go on my 1911

No other options like ruger or others.

The complete Kadet is pricey, but not much difference than the buckmark I looked at before. Leaning away from the buckmark right now and thinking about one of the 3 above. Not a thing wrong with the buckmark, love the one I got, just looking for something different than what I already have.

Have never used a conversion. Everone says they are easy to switch.

Do the slides on the kits stay open after the last shot? I have hear that the ceiners do not. Any of you know? What about the Kadet kits, do they stay open?

Thanks.

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jlbraun
July 25, 2007, 06:16 PM
The Kadets do stay open, but you might need a different slide stop.

The Kadet requires a bit of filing to fit, but it's very easy and once you're done you have a super-tight fit that renders the gun very accurate.

viking499
July 25, 2007, 06:22 PM
I hear that if I would call CZ and tell them I was putting a kadet on a 40 cal, they would send me a new stop, like they use in the 9mm.

1 old 0311
July 25, 2007, 07:04 PM
I have a Kadet kit on my CZ P-01. LOVE it. Totally reliable, and more accurate than my Ruger Mark 2

viking499
July 25, 2007, 08:48 PM
I believe the kits come with 2 mags. How many mags come with the complete gun? 1 or 2?

Walt Sherrill
July 25, 2007, 09:59 PM
When you use the Kadet Kit on the .40 CZ, you must get a 9mm slide stop (which will fit farther into the mag well). CZ should send one, free of charge.

viking499
July 26, 2007, 08:30 AM
That was what I had heard before....

JoeHatley
July 26, 2007, 11:35 AM
Do the slides on the kits stay open after the last shot?

Advantage Arms and Jarvis do. Ciener, Marvel, Kimber, Wilson, et al... do not.

Joe

briang2ad
July 26, 2007, 12:37 PM
You will need a 9mm Slide Stop - I have heard that CZ will give you one if your 40 is under warranty (I think). I bought a Kadet kit and it fits my 40, PreB, Transitional, AND Compact - all with no fitting.

viking499
July 26, 2007, 03:37 PM
I just ordered a conversion kit. Also called CZ and they are sending me a slide stop. Thanks for your input.

bdutton
July 26, 2007, 04:07 PM
Marvel conversion for the 1911. Better than a vast majority of other target .22 pistols out there in terms of accuracy.

Its about $400 but its the best $400 you will spend.

Walt Sherrill
July 26, 2007, 06:27 PM
The Kadet requires a bit of filing to fit, but it's very easy and once you're done you have a super-tight fit that renders the gun very accurate.

Actually, the tightness doesn't matter, as the slide doesn't move. Only a small insert within the slide moves. Slide/frame fit for the Kadet Kit (and for most .22 conversions) is a non-issue.

jlbraun
July 26, 2007, 06:38 PM
Actually, the tightness doesn't matter, as the slide doesn't move. Only a small insert within the slide moves. Slide/frame fit for the Kadet Kit (and for most .22 conversions) is a non-issue.

(edited, Walt below is right)

Walt Sherrill
July 26, 2007, 07:29 PM
That's the point. The barrel is fixed to the top end, which fits tightly to the frame. Meaning the tight fit makes the gun more accurate.

That's not the point.

For the gun to be be properly accurate (or, I think the proper term is precise), it's important that the barrel and sights return to the same positions with each shot.

With the Kadet Kit, the sights and barrel are fixed -- they never change their relationship. An insert in the slide does all the moving. The slide could be LOOSE on the frame, and you'd get the same accuracy as long as you get the proper sight picture.

(The same concept explains why some polymer-framed guns can be accurate even though slide-to-frame fit is crappy; the barrel and the slide always line up the same, with each shot. Good sight picture, good hits.)

I've had a bunch of CZs, and the kit fit some loosely, some tightly, and some not at all -- I saw no reason to adjust the kit further. On the guns it fit at all, the accuracy was the same, regardless.

At the moment I have only an 85 Combat, a 75B Compact, and a 75B SA, and I only use the kit on the 85 Combat.

jlbraun
July 27, 2007, 12:15 PM
The slide could be LOOSE on the frame, and you'd get the same accuracy as long as you get the proper sight picture.

Actually, you're right. Disregard previous.

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