Yupp, real professional, another leo busts a cap in self.


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ziadel
July 26, 2007, 06:41 AM
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Sheriff in sherman county Texas demonstrates his amazing level of proficiency with firearms. Your tax dollars at work. Supposedly he dropped it and it went off. I'm calling shenanigans tho, theres more to this story. I cant think of one duty weapon that would fire if dropped, unless theres something seriously wrong with the pistol.


and before you post, please, no cop bashing. They dont need your assitance to look stupid, they do just fine on their own--at least in this case.

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Fred Fuller
July 26, 2007, 07:38 AM
Mmmmm. Wish I could buy a life insurance policy on this thread.

Still, it would be useful to have more details than the nooz story gives. Especially what make/model pistol it was supposed to be...

lpl/nc

cambeul41
July 26, 2007, 07:42 AM
his dropping the gun, making a grab for it, and pulling the trigger in the process. The story about its going off when it hit the floor in such a case could be an attempt to save face.

Geno
July 26, 2007, 07:44 AM
You know, I have seen several pistols fall from heights to up 5 feet. Not one has ever discharged. If all is accurate as described, he'll be a rich man for defective product.

Cambeul41, I believe, is correct. When a pistol falls, let it go! Don't make mad-grabs at an object, that if errantly touched, can kill you! Sometimes saving face is not the right thing to do. Here we have an opportunity for young, inexperienced people to learn, and well...

U.S.SFC_RET
July 26, 2007, 07:47 AM
ND's happen. Let it serve to remind us that it can happen to anyone if you don't watch it.

foghornl
July 26, 2007, 08:46 AM
About the only handguns that would go off if dropped (disregarding a seriously broken gun) would be the old-style Single-Action revolvers, carried with a live round under the hammer. Those were (are) supposed to be carried "5-up", that is hammer resting on empty chamber.

I suspect there is more to this sotry than is being told.

El Tejon
July 26, 2007, 08:48 AM
FYI, "discharging upon impacting the floor" is police code for "screwing around and shot myself (the desk, the door, the police car, my partner) like a moron". Sort of like how they write "guided the suspect to the ground" when they throw someone face first into the sidewalk.

The floor didn't do it; he did. He was playing with it or playing gun show and shot himself.

Save this one for the next time Sarah Brady tells us how highly trained the police are.

Parruthead
July 26, 2007, 08:51 AM
It must not have been a GLOCK safe action pistol!! :D

El Tejon
July 26, 2007, 09:08 AM
Could have been anything. I saw an IPD Captain put a hole in the ceiling with a Smith 640.

springmom
July 26, 2007, 09:41 AM
and before you post, please, no cop bashing. They dont need your assitance to look stupid, they do just fine on their own--at least in this case.


Yeah, 'cause THAT isn't cop bashing..... :rolleyes:

Springmom

ilbob
July 26, 2007, 09:43 AM
Grayson County investigator wounds self

SHERMAN, Texas (AP) -- A Grayson County sheriff's investigator accidentally shot himself Wednesday as he was putting his pistol in a desk drawer, authorities said.

Investigator Chad Butler was struck in the lower abdomen when the pistol slipped from his hands, hit the floor and discharged.

"We feel very fortunate. While we regret that there was a wound, we feel fortunate that it wasn't more serious than it was," Sheriff Keith Gary said in a news conference. "When you drop a pistol you really don't know where the round is going to go."

Butler was taken to a Sherman hospital where doctors said he was expected to make a full recovery.

Butler has been with the sheriff's office for a year and a half.

Jim Watson
July 26, 2007, 09:50 AM
Everybody lies about ADs, cops included.

I could swallow cambuel41's version if offered first, but there are a lot of more likely and less complimentary possibilities.

joab
July 26, 2007, 09:54 AM
Sheriff Keith Gary said in a news conference. "When you drop a pistol you really don't know where the round is going to go."Perpetuating a myth and feeding into the fears of the ignorant and fueling the antis

Cop or not the guy is a coward

High Planes Drifter
July 26, 2007, 10:29 AM
There was a thread going on over on arfcom a week or 2 ago; in the thread someone posted a picture of 2 ATF agents. One was firing a handgun, the other was covering his ears. The way in which the second agent was covering his ears showed greatest disregard for firearms safety I had ever seen in my life. He had his left hand over his left ear. With his right hand, he was actually shoving the muzzle of his handgun INTO his right ear! :eek: As if that wasnt bad enough, he didnt even bother taking his finger off of the trigger! I'll see if I can dig up the photo.

Baba Louie
July 26, 2007, 10:52 AM
Kids... play nice.

Accidents do happen.

Handguns sometimes are fumbled and dropped. Human nature is to recover that which is dropped, which can be conducive to accidently activating a trigger at an inopportune moment leading to an embarrassing negligent discharge...

But, since we weren't there we're only able to speculate and ruminate on the language of the official version.

I myself am guilty of once killing my closet door with an "unloaded" .45. (It was a good shot too :rolleyes:) Fortunately I did not shoot myself in my (ahem) lower abdomen. I have since adopted the maxim, "When you accidently fire an unloaded pistol you darn well better know where the round is going to go."

Those things can be dangerous... you know dat?

tydephan
July 26, 2007, 10:54 AM
and before you post, please, no cop bashing. They dont need your assitance to look stupid, they do just fine on their own--at least in this case.

Yeah, 'cause THAT isn't cop bashing.....

Springmom

My thoughts exactly.

fletcher
July 26, 2007, 10:55 AM
Investigator Chad Butler was struck in the lower abdomen when the pistol slipped from his hands, and as he tried to catch it, accidentally pulled the trigger.

Fixed it (that's my guess). It should be basic firearm training to NEVER TRY TO CATCH A FALLING GUN. Let it fall. Worst case, there's some finish damage, but that's much better than a round shooting off in who knows which direction.

joab
July 26, 2007, 11:06 AM
I dropped an unloaded 4043 once
I instinctively caught it with the old hand clap method
The muzzle looked really big when I look down at it

retrieverman
July 26, 2007, 11:44 AM
My mother always told me that if I couldn't say something nice, then I shouldn't say anything at all.............:rolleyes::neener:

PILMAN
July 26, 2007, 11:47 AM
"I'm the only one qualified......"

silverlance
July 26, 2007, 11:56 AM
hm.. thanks for the object lesson.
I do recall though a story told by a friend of mine (24 yrs as Army medic) that he has seen M16 rifles that would go off when dropped.

whitetiger7654
July 26, 2007, 12:10 PM
FYI, "discharging upon impacting the floor" is police code for "screwing around and shot myself (the desk, the door, the police car, my partner) like a moron". Sort of like how they write "guided the suspect to the ground" when they throw someone face first into the sidewalk.

I completely agree with this. He was probably twerrling it on his finger.

If I ever drop a gun my first reaction will be to jump as far away on the ground as possible.

CountGlockula
July 26, 2007, 12:32 PM
"We feel very fortunate. While we regret that there was a wound, we feel fortunate that it wasn't more serious than it was," Sheriff Keith Gary said in a news conference. "When you drop a pistol you really don't know where the round is going to go."

Classic.

Most, if not all, guns have to pass a drop safety test. So his excuse, is not an excuse.

spooky_t
July 26, 2007, 12:56 PM
Perpetuating a myth and feeding into the fears of the ignorant and fueling the antis
Cop or not the guy is a coward

I have to agree with you joab. If you screw up you ought to own up, even if it's embarrassing.
I agree that ADs happen, and that there are unsafe guns, etc. but given the official excuse... please.

Dutchman01
July 26, 2007, 12:58 PM
Why do I think this is a glock pistol?

El Tejon
July 26, 2007, 01:00 PM
whitetiger, I forgot the ever popular police locker to my list of things that get shot!:D

hksw
July 26, 2007, 01:06 PM
The story about its going off when it hit the floor in such a case could be an attempt to save face.

The story about its going off when it hit the floor in such a case is an attempt to save face.


There, fixed it for ya.

TallPine
July 26, 2007, 01:12 PM
FYI, "discharging upon impacting the floor" is police code for "screwing around and shot myself (the desk, the door, the police car, my partner) like a moron". Sort of like how they write "guided the suspect to the ground" when they throw someone face first into the sidewalk.


Sort of like "just cleaning my gun and it went off" really means "I got mad and shot my wife/husband/boyfriend/girlfriend/etc and now I'm claiming that it was just an accident" ;)

Justin
July 26, 2007, 01:23 PM
Yeah, 'cause THAT isn't cop bashing.....

Springmom


Springmom wins the thread.

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