Smith & Wesson MP - REVIEW? Any Caliber


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usmarine0352_2005
July 27, 2007, 04:10 PM
Has anyone shot the Smith & Wesson MP in any caliber?

I have very small hands. Would this be a good gun for someone with small hands?

What do you think about it?

Has anyone heard if S & W is coming out with an all "Stainless" slide?

I read about the S& W MP rusting earlier, and don't want that problem.

Thanks in advance.

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News Shooter
July 27, 2007, 04:20 PM
I've got a .45 and a 9mm

They have changeable grips in different sizes for folks like you.

Always try them first before buying though

MontanaBighorn
July 27, 2007, 04:23 PM
hello,
i own an m&p .40 and it has become my daily carry. CLICK HERE (http://concealedcarryforum.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=493) for my complete review of this great weapon.

as for small hands, i have "little girl" hands and find that the medium "palmswell" (dunno why they had to make it difficult, its a backstrap!) is a perfect fit. the smaller "palmswell" was just a bit small for me.

it only takes a second to change them out, get your dealer to get them for you and try it on for size.

as for the slide, it is stainless. are you asking about non-treated? the rusted m&p was an odd occurance, ive heard of no other issues. perhas there is something about the chemistry of that particular shooter. perhaps there was an issue with that particular batch. regardless, rust shouldnt be a real concern for you.

SouthpawShootr
July 27, 2007, 08:21 PM
Try this one: Clicky (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=281099)

I have found Coronach's posts to be the most objective and informative. He's shot these things alot and has a bunch of helpful posts in other threads.

mec
July 28, 2007, 12:24 AM
Quinn at Gunblast.com likes them very much

Coronach
July 28, 2007, 04:26 AM
AFAIK, S&W is not doing a two-tone slide, but I'm not up on that, specifically. Lots of places can hard chrome it or otherwise refinish it for you, so you can get that look if you want. The thing should not rust- it's melonite over stainless. Some have had some rust issues, though, so it can happen.

The guns are good for people with small hands. Try before you buy, and make sure you try the smallest backstrap- gunshops will have the medium on by default, most likely.

They're good guns. They've had some glitches, but S&W seems to be on top of fixing them. In particular, the compacts have mag drop issues (the mags eject under recoil). S&W allegedly has that fixed, but only time will tell.

Mike

gudel
July 28, 2007, 05:38 AM
I like mine. Mine's a 45, I posted a thread with pics a few days ago. Go look for it.

hceptj
July 28, 2007, 09:25 AM
I carry a m&p c 9mm daily and have never had a problem with rust (its carried IWB)...I love mine and have recommended it to a lot of friends...

...i have medium hands and as stated above, play around with the grip inserts, you'll find one that fits you...

ra407
July 28, 2007, 09:26 AM
I have the MP9. Can anyone tell me why my slide doesn't stay back when all shots have been fired?

Dean407
July 28, 2007, 01:10 PM
Take a look at the following if you have small hands as I do...

1) HK P2000 (SK)
2) Springfield XD
3) Sig 239
4) CZ P-01
5) Beretta PX4
6) FNP

...in addition the the M&P

SouthpawShootr
July 28, 2007, 03:15 PM
I have the MP9. Can anyone tell me why my slide doesn't stay back when all shots have been fired?

Could be one or a combination of 2 things. It's either the slide lock or the magazine follower. If it does this with all of the mags you have, it's probably the slide lock. Maybe something out of spec on it. Of course, if all you have is the 2 mags that came with the gun, you could very well have both mags with bad followers (the chance of this is reduced if you have magazines you bought at a different time than the pistol). Call S&W. They can probably send the parts out to you. If they want the gun back, they send you a shipping label and the shipping will be on them.

Coronach
July 28, 2007, 09:40 PM
yeah, something is out of spec. S&W will fix it.

Mike

ra407
July 29, 2007, 12:22 AM
I took the gun out today before I read your reply's. Out of about 9 mags shot, it did it once or twice, compared to alot more yesterday. I will take it out again in a few days and pinpoint which magazine it is. I am hoping it is a breaking in issue. Thanks

SouthpawShootr
July 29, 2007, 12:40 AM
I suppose it could very well be a break in issue. Did the events you related in your initial post occur with the first outing with the pistol? If that's the case, did you by any chance not clean the pistol after you bought it but before you shot it? I've seen this alot, even done it myself. What's the round count on this gun?

My experiences with Glocks (which so often function 100% out of the box) have spoiled me. I bought a SIgPro NIB and failed to clean it before shooting. Lots of problems first range trip. I was ready to sell it. But cleaned it really well (and the mags too), then lubed it up and went back. It's functioned 100% since then. I've rarely found it necessary to disassemble mags, but the SigPros mags had some sort of super sticky preservative on them that wasn't very conductive to proper functioning.

Coronach
July 29, 2007, 01:05 AM
What's your roundcount? If it is low, it might indeed be a break-in issue. Keep an eye on it, however, and send it to Smith of it doesn't stop. If it hasn't stopped by round 500, it's time to call customer service.

Mike

armed85
July 29, 2007, 01:39 AM
I had several problems with my Compact, but Smith repaired it under warranty, paid for shipping, and upgraded the sights to night sights all free of charge. The night sight upgrade was quite nice and the gun has functioned reliability so far.

I don't yet trust it, but I have high hopes. It's the most comfortable .40 S&W I've got my hands on yet. The only other compact polymer gun I would consider is Walter's PPS.

My near $1,000 Colt XSE Combat Commander is my favorite CCW though. My Colt hit the $1k mark after I bought a set of black linen Micarta grips for it. It's a verrrrry nice looking and verrry practical CCW.

But, for $500, you can't go wrong with the M&P.

Thad
July 29, 2007, 02:52 AM
Have the 40 I love it. No problems to report. Very comfortable to shoot, I too have small hands.

usmarine0352_2005
July 29, 2007, 01:01 PM
Is the Smith & Wesson M&P hammerless?

I really liked Springfield XD .45, but it's not a choice. (I would definitely recommend the XD to anyone who wanted a good gun.)

SouthpawShootr
July 29, 2007, 01:28 PM
The S&W M&P semiautos are striker fired. Like the Glock, Sigma, XD, and a host of other designs. There is no hammer present.

I neglected some of the questions in your original post.

I have very small hands. Would this be a good gun for someone with small hands?

This design has interchangeable backstraps. Small, Medium, Large, with the full size. You'll have to try it out with the small to find out for sure. The gun usually comes with the medium backstrap installed.

What do you think about it?

Very good pistol from what I can tell. Well deserving the S&W marque.

Has anyone heard if S & W is coming out with an all "Stainless" slide?

Already have. The slide is melonite finished stainless steel on all models.

I read about the S& W MP rusting earlier, and don't want that problem.

You know stainless will rust, right? Some people will neglect their guns or some have super corrosive sweat that will cause anything to rust. I don't know what the circumstances were or where you read it, but I do remember reading a thread on this board where there was a complaint abou the sights rusting. These are Novak sights and are not stainless.

usmarine0352_2005
July 29, 2007, 01:37 PM
Well, I would like it Stainless, b/c I know the Melonite can wear. And rust.

(Thanks, I knew even stainless can rust.) But I'm more worried about holster wear.

Dang, too bad it doesn't have a hammer. I'd swear I saw Mpls cops wearing them. (One of their requirements is a pistol has to have a hammer.)

SouthpawShootr
July 29, 2007, 01:47 PM
I'm sure the melonite finish can be stripped off. If it can wear, it can be stripped off. Somebody did that on one of these forums. Maybe www.smith-wessonforum.com. It was a home DIY job. Also seen people send theirs off to Tripp's to get them hard chromed. Never understood that one. Maybe S&W will eventually offer a matte stainless finish (they may even let you special order it that way, who knows).

The PD requirements are frequently rewritten to reflect current policies, so I wouldn't give that a second thought. More than likely, they got the budgetary OK to replace their weapons and S&W won the contract (if you did indeed see M&Ps in their holsters).

Some people wonder why S&W applied a black finish to stainless to begin with. As far as the black finish goes, I know several departments in the area whose regs stipulate that guns not be silver, gray, or otherwise potentially reflective in any way, shape or form. Not cool tactically speaking. They're looking towards perps homing in on officer's locations in darkened areas by reflections on their sidearms.

usmarine0352_2005
July 29, 2007, 02:55 PM
My friend carries a Stainless Sig for Mpls.

Mpls lets officers choose what they carry. Within I think it has to be Sig, Smith & Wesson, or Beretta. (No Glocks. He said it has to have a hammer.)

SouthpawShootr
July 29, 2007, 03:20 PM
Mpls lets officers choose what they carry. Within I think it has to be Sig, Smith & Wesson, or Beretta. (No Glocks. He said it has to have a hammer.)

This sort of stuff always fascinates me when it turns up. I wonder what the justification is behind requiring hammers. Possibly b/c they want everybody using a similar operating system?

What is Mpls, btw? Do the officers buy their own or can they opt for a city/county owned gun?

usmarine0352_2005
July 29, 2007, 03:36 PM
Minneapolis.

You buy your own. They give you a an allowance.

I think having a hammer is good, but shouldn't be a requirement.

The reason you can't have a Springfield XD in Mpls, I guess is because it's SA first shot, SA every shot afterwards.

I guess it has to be DA first shot, then SA after that.


I think that's stupid. But that's me.


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Mpls lets officers choose what they carry. Within I think it has to be Sig, Smith & Wesson, or Beretta. (No Glocks. He said it has to have a hammer.)
This sort of stuff always fascinates me when it turns up. I wonder what the justification is behind requiring hammers.


I think this is b/c it has to be DA first shot, SA after that, that if you want your first shot to be SA you can cock the hammer and have it SA.

Obviously if you choose a pistol that is SA first shot, you wouldn't need a hammer.

Coronach
July 29, 2007, 05:18 PM
This sort of stuff always fascinates me when it turns up. I wonder what the justification is behind requiring hammers. Possibly b/c they want everybody using a similar operating system?If you thought making sense of gun laws was hard, try making sense of police department weapon policies. They're often a wierd mishmash of completely sane and practical (the stuff that the Ordnance Section staff managed to ram through) and the completely silly, illogical, backarsewards, and dangerous (the stuff that Executive Staff, the City Attorney, the Chief or Mayor could not be convinced to abandon). We have shotguns with flashlights, because lights are good, and no slings, because slings are...I have no idea.

Mike

SouthpawShootr
July 29, 2007, 06:00 PM
We have shotguns with flashlights, because lights are good, and no slings, because slings are...I have no idea.

Off-topic but reminds me of this: A friend of mine told me once of having to temporarily switch over to another patrol district. He checked out a car. This department has their shotguns mounted on the inside ceiling. For UP, Shotguns are issued to the car, not the officer . Anyway, he's developed the habit of checking the function of the shotgun before going out on patrol. It was a Rem 870 shotgun and it was rusted shut. So here he is in the parking lot holding the shotgun by the forend and slamming the butt against the pavement. Eventually he got the action open, but it froze open. The shotgun mount causes the roof to leak b/c the shotgun mount was never meant or warranted to be installed on the ceiling of the car. But that's what regs require. They issue shotguns capable of taking 3.5 inch magnums and limit the officers to 2 3/4 reduced tactical buckshot loads (there are some short chambered shotguns still in service)

I wish I had photocopied the departmental operations manual when I was in the auxillary. I'm sure there were some really stupid things in there.

loloy
July 31, 2007, 09:32 AM
After an extensive review of pros and cons from different forums and threads finally M&P 9mm is my first and handgun of choice. Hopefully it will arrive tomorrow after almost 2 weeks of waiting time.
I just want to know specially from your extensive first hand experience if this firearm can withstand reloads. in my place imported cartridges like remington and winchester are almost 10x more costly than reloads offered by my dealer. Obviously, high end costly ammo is a limiting factor as far as target shooting is concerned although i put premium to its cost efficiency without compromising the longevity of my firearm.
what are other particular measures that must be considered regarding the use of reloads?

jon_in_wv
July 31, 2007, 08:53 PM
I have a the 9mm fullsize and compact. Both have bee terrific guns. I can't fault them in any way.

loloy
September 5, 2007, 10:59 PM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=4sfTsb052Yo


i'm using my canon powershot G7 showing how to field strip my new S&W m&p 9mm. features as follow: double action semiautomatic pistol, ambidextrous mag release and slide stop, fish scale serrated slide, 3 size very cool changeable back straps and 2 steel 17 round mags.
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break in notes:
hornady 147jhp 172 rds
reloads 694 rds
total 866 rds
misfires: 0%
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all things are permissible but not all things are beneficial...

Chris Rhines
September 5, 2007, 11:03 PM
I own two M&P 9mm pistols. They are the best service size pistols I've ever used.

- Chris

greener
September 6, 2007, 06:58 AM
I have an M&P9. I has fired flawlessly every type of ammo. I've had no mechanical problems. I did have a problem with the sights (out of the box left and low) which was fixed by S&W in 7 days ship to return. The pistol has good ergononmics and reasonable accuracy. I don't shoot it as well as I do other pistols, but that is more the shooter than the pistol.

You know stainless will rust, right? Some people will neglect their guns or some have super corrosive sweat that will cause anything to rust.

I didn't know stainless would rust. I know it will corrode, and is susceptible to pitting from chlorides like you will find in sweat. I've been around stainless in conditions that rust steel pretty quickly and have not seen it rust.

http://www.sciam.com/askexpert_question.cfm?articleID=0004B3F8-5A1D-1C72-9EB7809EC588F2D7

Omaney
September 6, 2007, 09:29 AM
I am impressed with the ergos of the M&P. I use the small backstrap even though my hands are typical. The small grips feel better. I am thinking af trading my 40S&W for the 9mm.

deanodog
September 6, 2007, 11:02 AM
I removed the melonite finish with Mother's mag and aluminum metal polish. Lot's of elbow grease and nothing else.Polished to a nickel like finish. It makes an attractive M&P 9C

texagun
September 6, 2007, 11:09 AM
How about some pictures?


"I removed the melonite finish with Mother's mag and aluminum metal polish. Lot's of elbow grease and nothing else.Polished to a nickel like finish. It makes an attractive M&P 9C"

Omaney
September 6, 2007, 11:43 AM
I removed the melonite finish with Mother's mag and aluminum metal polish. Lot's of elbow grease and nothing else.Polished to a nickel like finish. It makes an attractive M&P 9C

I'd like to see that as well

deanodog
September 6, 2007, 03:19 PM
I do not have capability to post pictures at this time(learning) I also did a sigma the same way and I was very satisfied with the looks of both S&W's. They make a very good looking pistol

Anna's Dad
September 6, 2007, 03:23 PM
I really like the M&P. I have two of them in 9mm. The ergos are great and as others have posted, the grips can be adjusted to be quite comfortable for small or large hands.

The accuracy is excellent. I shoot them better than my Sig 226. Mine are 100% so far, but I haven't put a huge round count through them.

I have not had any of the finish issues that have been discussed in other threads.

I highly recommend the M&P!

littlegator
September 6, 2007, 03:43 PM
I have a M&P 9mm. I like it and it likes me. After 500 rounds though, I still don't know which backstrap I like better, the medium or the large. I shoot the same with both. When my hands get sweaty, though, I notice a little more movement on recoil when I use the large swell. My wife shot with the small and does very well. Her hands are petit. I've had issues with the rust, but as long as I wipe the slide with a treated cloth after I handle it, it is fine. This came up awhile ago, where I would come home from work every night, dry fire it a few times, and then put it away without wiping it off. After about 2 weeks, rust started to form all over the slide. S&W will have to do something about that on the .45 if they want it to be a real runner for military use large scale. I heard somewhere that the SA xd 45 also had rust issues in the beginning as well. Also, like Mec said above, Quinn at Gunblast.com likes them alot. He has some decent reviews on the 9 and .45. Quinn even sold his Glock carry and replaced it with his new M&P 9 he liked it so much. :eek:

littlegator
September 6, 2007, 03:51 PM
[From Loloy]: I just want to know specially from your extensive first hand experience if this firearm can withstand reloads. in my place imported cartridges like remington and winchester are almost 10x more costly than reloads offered by my dealer.

I don't know why it wouldn't, although I haven't tried reloads on it. My range ammo is usually WWW, which works perfectly. My SD ammo is cor bon 115gr. I also have some Federal Hydrashocks and Glasers. It cycles, ramps and fires everything without a glitch.

Black Adder LXX
September 6, 2007, 11:02 PM
I have a 9c and love it. I was concerned about stories of mags dropping, but haven't had any kind of problem or failure in 1000 rounds now... I have medium hands and use the stock backstrap. I love the fit of this gun! Now I have to get the big brother...

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