hey bear hunters i need advice


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K.L.O.sako
July 29, 2007, 02:14 PM
if a guy was about to go on a hunt out west for big browns do you think a hyper fast .30 would do. i have a 300RUM that i have no doubt will kill anything on the planet, however i've never been hunting for dangerous game and the thought occured to me that, this game can kill you right back. the RUM is uber strong but it's still just a .30 cal, it's only trick is speed. should i go for something that makes bigger holes, or do i already have enough gun. i was thinking maybe a .33 or .35 what do you all think.

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Kimber1911_06238
July 29, 2007, 02:35 PM
The super fast .30 can definitely do the job with a tough bullet. If you are hunting with a guide, ask them what they recommend. they may or may not have experience using the caliber on big browns

koja48
July 29, 2007, 03:39 PM
I'm assuming by "big browns" you mean out west AND north, since Griz in the lower-48 states are protected. Magnum 30s with heavy bullets would work fine . . . bring enough gun, but not so "enough" that you can't consistently place your shot accurately. +1 re: consulting with a guide/local expert.

K.L.O.sako
July 29, 2007, 05:26 PM
well i've had the 300 for about two years now and i shoot once a month at the least. i'm fairly proficiant with it, and i know how it shoots. i'd say three aimed shots in about 7-8 seconds standing.(by aimed i mean three on a styrofoam plate at 100 yards) i know it will kill a bear but will it incapacitate a bear, like stop a charge. yes on north and west, me and a friend are talking about a guided hunt in BC canada, possibly alaska. it's all just talk right now. the largest load i've tried yet was a 200gr barnes-x at just a tick over 3000 fps, thats probably what i'll use. any more thoughts on the subject are welcome.

K.L.O.sako
July 29, 2007, 05:27 PM
koja, didn't they take the grizzly off the endangered list resently?

koja48
July 29, 2007, 06:08 PM
Believe so, but don't think there are seasons outside of AK and Canada . . . grew up in Montana & was fortunate enough to have seen quite a few Griz (1 or 2 a bit too close for comfort at the time, but all worked-out well). They are indeed awesome critters. I'd think that 200 grain slugs would break a big bear down in short order. Now if you're looking to buy a new rifle, a .338 might bear consideration (no pun intended). Harvested my share of black bears, but never one of their fiercer cousins; bows, .44 Mag, '06 & .300 Win Mag worked effectively for those (excluding the .44 . . . even tho hit hard & several times, that one ran a ways, but I didn't have much choice at the time . . . .44 was all I had & the bear was a mite on the aggressive side. Went to a short-barrelled shotgun full of slugs when setting-up spike elk camps after that.).

HM2PAC
July 29, 2007, 09:07 PM
Hmmm,

Killing vs. stopping, good question.

If I were wanting to stop a charge :what: I'd probably think of the 375's or the .45-70. Then again if your only shot on a pricey trip is at 300 yds, you are really gonna want that 300 RUM.

Troutman
July 29, 2007, 09:27 PM
30-06 would be min. with 220 gr. I would use a 300 Weatherby or 300 Win. as my min.
My choice would be 375 H & H/ 378 Weatherby. Than I can get up real close on them. And look him, right in the eyes. Then wait one or two minutes, before walking up to him. Always approaching it from behind. Never from the front of that animal. Donít forget to mark your spot with red tape

K.L.O.sako
July 30, 2007, 08:56 PM
thanks guys.

H&Hhunter
July 31, 2007, 12:08 AM
.375 and the .338 would be my choice on big coastal bears. For a mountain grizz a decent .30 is definitely not a bad choice.

With that being said a good .30 in anything from 06 up with good heavy premium bullets will get the job done on any bear with proper shot placement.

As far as stopping a charge at close range the bigger the better. the .375's .416's and even the .458's are carried by some guides up north.

For me the .375H&H is the ultimate all around Alaskan DG rifle.

ryan b
July 31, 2007, 01:57 AM
if i was worried about a charge I have my own 2 cents the 30 caliber will kill about anything in the us and canada. (look at Roy Weatherby 300 WBY MAG) but i would carry a 375 H&H Mag with a 275 grain bullets i own 1 and i can attest to the kills. I dont think it kicks as bad as the 300 WBY

K.L.O.sako
July 31, 2007, 07:53 AM
thanks H&H, i know you've been around the block a few times, appriciate the input everyone.

BlindJustice
July 31, 2007, 08:28 PM
Ther's 4 or so Grizzlies just a little more than a
mile east of my house. I'm not kidding - They are on
the east side of campus - Wash. State University,
Pullman WA ( where you at Koja48 if I may ask? )
WSU has a research project on the bears About 7 or
8 years ago I took some neices and nephews and my
sister over to look at the Bears. There's a double fence
so it's a hot day and the Bears are all sticking close to
the Bear house, A very hot day like it is today
one of the Bears sees us and gets up. He walks around
to the long oblong trough full of water. I knew
what was coming down and the way the Bear was
holding his mouth open it was kinda like I'm gonna get
yah I am about 10 feet back and the Bear gets up
and straddles the trough with all fours.

Yep, he jumped straight up and did a cannonball and soaked
the family members as they scattered back

he got out of the trough and shook the water off like a Big Dog
and went back to lay down some more...

Priceless

It's a tough fence but I wouldn't want to piss off those guyz

If you want to see them come on by - know your quary ...

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