Military gun safety - a question


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MicroBalrog
July 1, 2003, 11:11 AM
Being that I'm about to join the Army...
Here in Israel, safety education in the IDF is real bad. As a result, there's a constant flow of news items about guys being killed/wounded due to NDs. The 4 rules are not anywhere respected, especially among the youngest troops.

Just to point out how bad it is, one of our papers once published a foto of a bunch of Golani (elite infantry division) troops, sitting at a roadblock in Gaza, one of them holding a seemingly loaded Beretta 92F and SUCKING the barrel, with others looking on.

A favorite trick seems to be to leap into someone's tent at night, magazine inserted (backwards), aim the rifle at him and pull the trigger. Of course, sometimes they end up putting it in the "right" way with obvious results.

Now, what does one do when he ends up with idiots like that? :barf:

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Henry Bowman
July 1, 2003, 11:35 AM
:what: Are you about to JOIN this army, or are you being drafted?

Tamara
July 1, 2003, 11:38 AM
Now, what does one do when he ends up with idiots like that?

Become an expatriate. :uhoh:

MicroBalrog
July 1, 2003, 11:42 AM
Are you about to JOIN this army, or are you being drafted?

Drafted.

Blackhawk
July 1, 2003, 11:44 AM
Now, what does one do when he ends up with idiots like that?Blanket party.

MicroBalrog
July 1, 2003, 11:56 AM
What's a "blanket party"?

Selfdfenz
July 1, 2003, 11:59 AM
First, may God be with you over there during these difficult times for the IDF and your country.

I don't know if you have anyway of looking at a copy of the American Rifleman but in one of the issues (last month or the one right before) they did a long story on the weapons used by our troops in Iraq.

It warmed my heart to see so many pictures of our troops in fighting or guard position with their trigger fingers NOT inside the trigger guard.
I look for little things like that.
Indications of good traning that has sunk in.

I would look for the same behavior from your buds when you get in the field and not be afraid to remind them you wouldn't care to be hit be one of the ADs.

Take care,
S-

MicroBalrog
July 1, 2003, 12:05 PM
SelfDefenz -
1. On the good side, I will not serve in the field.:banghead:
2. On the bad side, almost every soldier in the IDF currently carries at all times, even the clerks.:rolleyes:

willyjixx
July 1, 2003, 12:07 PM
a blanket party is when your friends strap, tape, tie someone down in there bunk an beat the ever lovin stuffin out of him with socks, oranges, sand, whatever in a sock to teach him the error of his ways!

micro.....become an NCO an get transferred assigned to a training unit specifically the weapon section an drill it into new recruits heads "SAFETY SAFETY SAFETY!!!!!

Destructo6
July 1, 2003, 12:36 PM
In my experience, it isn't much better in the US military, only we don't usually get live ammo to make mistakes with.

If you've seen "Full Metal Jacket", you've seen a blanket party. BTW, dental floss makes an excellent alternative for securing the lucky individual, but "dental floss party" doesn't sound as good.

mainmech48
July 1, 2003, 03:19 PM
A "blanket party" is a time-honored, but not officially sanctioned, attitude/behavior adjustment technique. It is administered to f--k-ups, slackers, drifties, bullies and others whose conduct and/or performance is deemed to be detrimental to the safety or well-being of the group by their peers in the unit.

It is most often a last resort when other methods of persuasion have failed. Consensus will determine when and to whom the action is appropriate, the object being to force the offending party to either shape-up or ship out.

In general terms, the "guest of honor" is restrained by having a blanket tossed over his head and his limbs secured by however many of his mates may be necessary. The other members of the party will reiterate the reasons for the action to the offender and describe the reform necessary.

Each will then administer one blow to the offender's torso and extremities to reinforce the lesson. The usual means is a bar of soap in the toe of a sock. His head is "off-limits", as the intent is not to inflict serious or permanent damage while applying enough punishment to make a lasting impression.

While this may seem brutal in practice, it's purpose is essentially benevolent: to correct behavior which threatens the survival of the group. If an individual can or will not recognize that "survival" can involve stronger imperatives than simply his or her own personal self-interest, that self-interest must be invoked at it's most basic level in order for that connection to be established.

Moparmike
July 1, 2003, 04:24 PM
I have never heard the scene from "Full Metal Jacket" explained so eloquently and pursuasively. All most had me in favor of the beatings given in boot camp.

Please, no flames. I know many will find my opinion wrong and I dont need to be told that.

Alex_F
July 1, 2003, 05:29 PM
Nearly every picture I see shows an IDF soldier pointing his muzzle at a fellow troop.

Not that they'd shoot each other but the muzzle discipline seems.... lax.

Alex

El Tejon
July 1, 2003, 05:51 PM
Alas Zahal is not known for its gunskills.:(

Micro, when you see stupidity, run the other way and get behind something solid.:)

dude
July 1, 2003, 06:40 PM
use alot of dope-slaps..........and/or beatings

Drjones
July 1, 2003, 07:21 PM
I find this pretty amusing in light of the fact that so many consider the israelis absolute GODS in so many areas of weaponry.

If I had a nickel for every person who invoked the almight israelis when defending their empty-chamber carry, I'd have my own army and country for them to defend.

:neener: :neener: :neener:

Blackhawk
July 2, 2003, 01:26 AM
mainmech48 correctly described a blanket party, and did it very well! :D

No tape, floss, straping, or any other thing except a blanket is used to restrain the guest of honor. Deniability is a paramount objective, so there can be no evidence that "anything" happened.

Being violently awakened from a sound sleep by being assaulted by an anonymous gang of your peers bent on forcing you to make a drastic attitude adjustment is psychologically terrorizing, and far more effective than the accompanying physical discomfort.

MolonLabe416
July 2, 2003, 01:41 AM
I'd be happy to come over an teach The Four Rules.

Like any other bad situation, you'll just have to stay in yellow.

Good luck.

Of course, you get get to fraternize with these women...

winstonsmith
July 2, 2003, 02:08 AM
Damn.

:what:

Alex_F
July 2, 2003, 01:31 PM
The blond in the back is cute.

MicroBalrog
July 2, 2003, 01:32 PM
The only good side of non-combat units - you get all the women.

willyjixx
July 2, 2003, 03:45 PM
MolonLabe416 :


dang i joined the wrong army......





they say that in the army the women are mighty fine ..(who said that) they look like phylis diller an walk like frankenstein....

CWL
July 2, 2003, 04:50 PM
All young people think they are invincible.

All armies use young people.

All young people in armies are issued firearms.

All young people pull stupid stunts. (The more stress, the stupider the stunts.)

Most of them will survive. It's a Darwinian numbers game.

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