[jmcc11]

I just wanted to remind everyone to call, write, or e-mail Govenor Holden to ask him to allow HB349 to become law.


Governor's Office In Jefferson City
Missouri Capitol Building, Room 216
PO Box 720
Jefferson City, MO 65102-0720
Telephone: (573) 751-3222
FAX: (573) 751-1495
Email: mogov@mail.state.mo.us

[foghornl]

That guy should sign or let pass into law. Looks like a prety good law to me.

As I understand it, if The Guv doesn't explicitly veto, becomes law without signature, correct?

Would that make the CCW states 45 or 46? In all the political shuffles this year, I have lost count. We didn't get CCW passed in Ohio this time, thanks to Guv. Booby Daft and the Spinless Ohio Senate.

[jsalcedo]

I called and voiced my support.

My entire extended family lives in the Kansas City area I visit quite often.

Hopefully there will be reciprocity.

[CasualShooter]

The text of the bill which passed the Missouri legislature provides in part ....

A concealed carry endorsement issued pursuant to this section or a concealed carry endorsement or permit issued by another state or political subdivision of another state shall authorize the person in whose name the permit or endorsement is issued to carry concealed firearms on or about his or her person or vehicle throughout the state.

So, if HB 349 becomes law, Missouri will recognize CCW Permits from all the other states without need for reciprical agreements. :)

Incidentally, the govornor of Oklahoma signed a bill into law a few weeks ago which included a similar provision, i.e., Oklahoma now recognizes CCW permits issued by all other states.

We are winning on this issue. :)

Let's Roll! :D

[CasualShooter]

The Govornor is polling the issue. Let's not disappoint him - keep those phones ringing in the Govornor's office :D

[P95Carry]

I very much hope this can be the good news it should be.

Oh for total reciprocity too.

[CZ-75]

With the Jeff City shooting incident, expect the antis to make it an example of why CCW is bad and why this will happen all the time if it passes. :barf:

Count on it.

[foghornl]

Of course the Gun Control Banshee Chorus will wail about it.

They never stop to think long enough to realize that criminals, and those that have not yet become criminals (but are on the way, filled with felonious intent and mayhem uppermost on their minds) WILL be armed. The law-abiding will NOT be armed.

[CasualShooter]

The perp didn't have a license to carry his weapon.

He violated the law first in carrying his weapon and again in useing it.

If CCW were in place, someone may have been able to stop him before he killed/injured so many.

How can denying law abiding citizens the means to self defense be rationalized to enable such tragedies. :banghead: :cuss: :fire:

[jmcc11]

We need to let Holden know that shootings like this are one of the reasons why we need concealed carry. As Casual Shooter stated this could have been prevented by a law-abiding citizen with a concealed weapon.

[Mitch1911]

I had just sent an e-mail last night, so I guess another is in order to confirm my support of CCW, even after a tragedy such as this. The Governor needs to understand that gun restrictions do not prevent random acts of violence, and allowing law-abiding citizens to protect themselves at all times is crucial. If you have not done so already, please contact Governor Holden to re-affirm your support for CCW in MO.

[CasualShooter]

Uh! Oh! Govornor to veto HB349 at 1:30 PM tomorrow in Webster Groves, Missouri? :cuss: :fire:

That's a suburb of St. Louis.

I think ya'll better check out this thread:

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=29474

Looks like he's calling for support from the socker moms and PTA moms to attend the ceremony and cheer. :barf:

What's needed is POLITE LTC supporters to out number them and appear in ORDERLY PROTEST. :banghead:

And keep his phone lit up tomorrow morning - - Maybe he'll call it off and change his mind.

It's ironic for him to consider a veto of this bill on the day before INDEPENDENCE DAY. :fire:

If he does veto it tomorrow, we must lose no time prepareing for the special veto overide session in September. We should begin working our senators and representatives to override immediately after the veto ceremony.

We can still win if we can maintain the majorities which passed this measure in both houses. :mad:

[clange]

Where is it being held at? I will be there if its early enough (i'm going out of town at some point).

????, its at 1:30. PLEASE, we need people to go to this. We need a strong showing that this is the WRONG move. We need to kill their publicity before they make it.

[Shooter 2.5]

Look on the bright side. If the dummy vetoes the Bill, it could signal the death knell for the dem party in Missouri.

That's only if the gunowners do their part.

[zastros]

...the death knell for the dem party in Missouri..

In your dreams, Shooter. As long as St. Louis and St. Louis County vote Dem and anti-gun the way they have in the past we'll need a wooden stake to finish them off. Where I live, Prop B lost in the range of 7-1 against.

:banghead:

[CasualShooter]

Where is it being held at? I will be there if its early enough

See the thread in my previous post. I've not been able to confirm this from a 2nd source; but, according to the post in that thread:

Governor Holden to Veto Concealed Weapons
Thursday July 3, 2003 at 1:30 p.m.
Webster Groves, Missouri
Blackburn Park
Edgar and East Jackson (south of Webster University)

:cuss: :fire: :banghead:

[Kaxter]

I hate my governor...thats all I have to say....AND I want to move to Oklahoma.

[CasualShooter]

Where I live, Prop B lost in the range of 7-1 against.

zastros... Let me quess ... You live near a cemetary, Right? :D

[S_O_Laban]

CasualShooter, LOL, I'm sure that was lost on a few people but not me:D

[jmcc11]

They confirmed he is planning to veto HB349 today. At this time and location.

Governor Holden to Veto Concealed Weapons
Thursday July 3, 2003 at 1:30 p.m.
Webster Groves, Missouri
Blackburn Park
Edgar and East Jackson (south of Webster University)

:cuss: :banghead:

[GregoryTech]

They confirmed he is planning to veto HB349 today. At this time and location.

Good. Bye-bye "One Term" Bob!

[StLGlocker]

Everyone fire at will for the poll on the right side of the page.

http://www.stltoday.com/news

"Question of the day:

If Missourians could carry concealed weapons, what difference would it have made in the workplace shooting incident in Jefferson City?"

[jmcc11]

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/News/86256C7E00525A1B86256D5800697BC4?OpenDocument&Headline=Holden+vetoes+House+concealed+gun+measure

[chaim]

Too bad, though I can only feel so much sympathy- at least your state is at the point where there is an actual fight over the issue. Eventually you will probably win. Here the Republican governor tries to avoid the issue at all costs and the strongly anti-gun legislature is still trying to pass NEW gun restrictions.

Anyway, I voted in that poll. Funny, does that paper have a bias?:rolleyes: Two anti options (CCW would have made the results of the shooting worse, and CCW would have had no effect) and only one pro option (it might have helped) :scrutiny: . Hmm, not good, while we have the highest vote of any one option (42%) the two anti options together are at 57%.

[CasualShooter]

Pro option has dropped to 35% :banghead: Where's everybody at? :D

[S_O_Laban]

Hey!! Bob, can you say "Ann Richards??":neener: :neener:

[CasualShooter]

Hey, Laban. I think you pronounced her name wrong.
I believe it's pronounced, "Ann Richards!!" :barf: :barf:

Isn't she the one that taught Texans to say "George Bush!!"?? :D :D

Govornor Bob Holden P.O'd so many people throughout most of Missouri that he's already aquired the moniker "One Term Bob". I believe that, come the election next year, he's history! :D

In the meantime, Missourians have not given up the fight to get License to Carry (LTC) this year . HB 349 passed both houses with enough votes to just overide a veto. It will come up, automatically under Missouri's constitution, for consideration to do just that, in a special session not to last more than 10 days, in September. If we can maintain or improve those margins, that veto will be overridden. If not, then Missourians will know who their friends are come the elections next year. :fire:

[zastros]

The reason Gov. Holden was in Webster Groves to veto 349 was to shake the trees. The senator from there pretty much IS the deciding vote for overriding the veto; so both sides are looking to prove what way "the people" will vote. This kind of puts that guy in the proverbial "catbird seat". I wonder if he's going to play it like Jeffers(?) did when he gave the Senate back to the Dems in exchange for some perks. "What'll you give me in return for my support?" We can expect to see a lot of electioneering there for the next couple of months.
I've already recieved two emails from SACMO about it and will be getting plenty more, I'm sure. It's put up or shut up time.

zastros

As an aside, I do hope that the squabbling between the "pro" organizations can be put to the side while we get this thing through.

BTW Shooter, I do live by a cemetery. The Dems don't need it though. I am definately "a stranger in a strange land" around here.:banghead:

[Frenchy]

The legislature seems relatively confident that they have the votes to override "One Term Bob" in September. They did take him to task in the extra session, and forced him to sign the budget that he had previously vetoed.
There are one or two pivotal votes out there (Webster Groves is one of them) that could make or break us. West County had voted by more than 2 to 1 against Prop. B in 1999. Another reason I don't regret leaving my home town for the Middle Lands!

[CasualShooter]

Zastros....

I Knew It! Let us know if you run out of wooden stakes. :D

Keep up the good work! :)