Sporting purpose and hunting with EBRs


Oleg Volk
July 30, 2007, 12:34 AM

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July 30, 2007, 12:41 AM
nice one.

July 30, 2007, 12:51 AM
Very Nice!

Back in the day, Colt ran Ads in Field & Stream and other Outdoor Sports Magazines, with the .223 ctg, in AR platform , being a great civilian hunting, and general purpose carbine.

July 30, 2007, 12:55 AM
Subtle, like a trout upside the head.

No revision required.

And she even has an EBR: Evil Beige Rifle!

Historical Perspective (per Steve's remark above):

M1 Shooter
July 30, 2007, 01:07 AM
I like it!!

The problem comes from non-gun owners and non-hunters who think "semi-automatic assault rifles" are overkill for hunting. When I've mentioned that I've used an AR for deer hunting, I usually get comments like, "Geez, is there anything left of the deer!?", or, "Isn't that kinda overkill for deer!?" I then have to explain the whole intermediate cartridge concept, and that an AR firing the .223/5.56mm is actually less powerful than your average deer rifle like a .30-06. Many people have been indoctrinated to think these rifles are extremly powerful, more powerful than us mere mortals should posess, by the media.

I do like the message a lot, but I'm afraid many people like the ones I mentioned will not get it.

Oleg Volk
July 30, 2007, 01:08 AM
So explain it to them. The images are for starting discussions and thinking/learning processes.

M1 Shooter
July 30, 2007, 01:10 AM
Yes you are right Oleg, and I try my best to explain it to people when it comes up. Some people will never "get it" though.

XD Fan
July 30, 2007, 01:23 AM
Oleg said:
So explain it to them. The images are for starting discussions and thinking/learning processes.

Exactly. This is a great image to promote discussion!

July 30, 2007, 11:24 AM
I like this better than the other, fwiw.

July 30, 2007, 12:03 PM
$189.50 :what:

I will take 10, please.

July 30, 2007, 12:38 PM
I will take 20. :-)

July 30, 2007, 01:16 PM
So explain it to them. The images are for starting discussions and thinking/learning processes.

Better yet, introduce them to our new friend, Jim Zumbo. :neener:

July 30, 2007, 01:17 PM
Nice cammo...

July 30, 2007, 01:17 PM
Great poster!!!!!!

(Dang it! We need an APPLAUSE smiley!) :D


July 30, 2007, 01:33 PM


Oleg Volk
July 30, 2007, 01:35 PM
Some people see racism in this image (

The Viking
July 30, 2007, 01:42 PM
AR-15 rifles aren't allowed for hunting purposes here (with VERY few exceptions). Watch out, or you'll suffer the same fate.

M1 Shooter
July 30, 2007, 01:53 PM
Yeah, you're such a racist Oleg (sarcasm). I like that post (more sarcasm) that says they think the NRA "propaganda" should say "Why do the same people who insist on a sporting purpose for my gun get upset when I go shoot up my school with my automatics". What a maroon. That is the type of person there is no argueing with. They have already made up their minds that guns are "evil" and us mere "civilians" can't be trusted with them, but governments can, even though governments are responsible for the worst mass murders in history. I just don't understand the mentality of people like that. :cuss: :banghead:

July 30, 2007, 01:56 PM
Some people see racism in this image.

Some people are idiots.

You could make the same poster with an armed black man ("Black Man with a Gun", paging Kenn) and it would have the same impact.

July 30, 2007, 02:23 PM
Some people see racism in this image.

Some people are so hoplophobic that they must start slinging mud in hopes of killing the argument before they are required to strain the severe limits of their logic.

BTW: Your model really is quite beautiful. I don't make comments like this lightly. My compliments to the Creator on a job well done. I used the girl because she is a deer hunter. Yes, God, a job very well done indeed.

July 30, 2007, 02:28 PM
I will take 20. :-)

Ha. At $189.50. I'm pulling out a $100,000 loan and stocking up. Then getting another loan to stock up on mags and ammo at similar rock bottom prices.

July 30, 2007, 02:32 PM
Once again, an excellent job, Oleg.
Long has the Second Amendment been protecting the First, I think it is time for the First to pay back in kind.

July 30, 2007, 02:38 PM
Excellent, sir.

July 30, 2007, 02:42 PM
Well, under affirmative action, I guess we should start using UGLY models for our 2A message?

Whatcha think, any way we could get [unnamed politician] to pose for some of these shots?


Yeah, well, hardly any surprise.

While beauty is sometimes skin deep, ugly goes clear to the bone.

Incidentally, just so we're clear on this:

It can be said that aesthetics is the wavelength of the soul.

If you have a message, and you want to "modulate" some kind of "carrier" to convey that message, a message modulating beauty as a carrier will have far more success than the same message modulating ugly.

The world of advertising stumbled on that principle generations ago. You've heard any number of variations on this ("sex sells"), but the plain truth is that people are attracted to beauty and repelled by ugly.

So the criticism of Oleg's work because it employs beauty is really only an indictment of the detractor's hypocrisy -- and a ringing endorsement of how well Oleg has chosen his subject.

Rich K
July 30, 2007, 03:05 PM
Outstanding, Oleg.
And a very lovely Lady, as well.

July 30, 2007, 04:30 PM
Forgive my ignorance. EBR?

July 30, 2007, 04:30 PM
You could make the same poster with an armed black man ("Black Man with a Gun", paging Kenn) and it would have the same impact.

My guess is that then they would say..."Look, he's associating minorities with wanting to own weapons and being violent".

It is good to reason with these people and try to make them see the light but eventually you need to realize they are hopeless.

EBR=evil black rifle...gunnies use it to "make fun" of themselves and our affinity for all things tacticool

July 30, 2007, 05:37 PM
Very nice, Oleg. One of your best, perhaps.

July 30, 2007, 06:04 PM
EBR = Evil Black Rifle

because the blackness makes them scary.

such is life, right?

July 30, 2007, 07:44 PM
EBR = Evil Black Rifle
Yes, usually.

But . . .

In the case of this particular photo:
And she even has an EBR: Evil Beige Rifle!

July 30, 2007, 08:59 PM
Extremely well done, Oleg & considering the title above, I could have a new career!

July 30, 2007, 09:34 PM
edited as the offending comment was both removed and apologized for. Thank you.


July 30, 2007, 09:37 PM
Okay, now, in Georgia, we have the same 5rd maximum magazine capicity for semi-autos and pumps. So in Georgia, not only do we have to have a 5rd magazine in the AR (and Mini-14) to deer hunt with it, we also have to have a 5rd clip to hunt with the M1 Garand. And I'm not so sure the law will recognize the 5rd en bloc. So effectively, there is a whole class of rifles which, according to the antis, have no sporting purpose because not only can you only shoot competitive matches with it, you also cannot hunt with it. And if the Demonrats have their way, the M1 will be on the same banned list as the AR-15.

I guess your EBR's can be joined by my EWSPR (Evil Walnut-Stocked Parkerized Rifle).

Professor Gun
July 30, 2007, 09:57 PM
Excellent poster, Oleg.

Last November I took my Armalite AR-10 in .308 cal deer hunting. Loaded up a 20 round magazine and hunted deer (no mag capacity restrictions here in Wisconsin) even though I am really big into the one shot kill approach for deer hunting.

I shot the largest buck I have ever killed with it and I took lots of photos of me, the deer, and the rifle with that big 20 round mag in place.

Why? Because I can, because I love my AR-10, and because I am tired of hearing people complain that my EBRs have no use whatsoever but to kill humans. They do pretty good on deer too.

During the recent controversey involving Jim Zumbo's stupid comments about EBRs, I sent him one of my hunting photos showing my deer and prominently displaying my AR-10.

July 30, 2007, 10:31 PM
Rape is not about sex. It is about power and domination. And that last comment is reprehensible and not fit for the High Road.
Springmom, I apologize if you were offended by the post and picture, and to any others who took offense.

It most certainly was NOT my intent to infer that rape is about sex, but that it IS about power and is a cruel and terrible thing for any person to endure, regardless of gender or physical appearance. I did not consider any other element when I thought of the picture and caption.

I see the post has been removed, and if I post something of that nature in the future, I will certainly try to see if it can be considered in poor taste by other people with a different viewpoint than mine.

Again, my apologies.

July 30, 2007, 10:47 PM
Oleg -- You make a lot of great posters, I love them all, but this one is a true classic.

How 'bout the same sort of picture with a bunch of different folks? I hate to cowtow to the hate-mongers in your link, but showing a bunch of different sizes, ages, shapes and colors of people actually proud of their ARs - describing what they use them for - would be a great campaign.

Same aspect ratio, same lighting, same font, roughly the same number of words....different people, different ARs.

Yoooost an odea. (Uh..I mean "just an idea").

Oleg Volk
July 30, 2007, 10:48 PM

Good idea, will produce it.

July 30, 2007, 11:17 PM
EBR originally or historically first = enhanced battle rifle used to describe the modified M-14 used by U.S. Navy Seals.

July 31, 2007, 08:32 PM
$189.50 Paid that for my first one in 1970, on my 18th birthday

July 31, 2007, 08:41 PM

Women in TN hunt with ARs (at least 2 of them I know).

Gwen went deer hunting last season with a .30 cal AR.

Her hunting partner Ginger used a 5.56 AR.

Why ARs?

Because they were both very familiar with them and knew exactly what they could hit with their rifles at what range.

Ginger never even saw any deer. Gwen saw several, but wouldn't take the shot because they were outside her 110% confidence range.

This year they expect to bring home the venison.

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