Used my puller - on some WWB ammo!


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kellyj00
July 30, 2007, 05:33 PM
This weekend I recieved my bullet puller from MidwayUSA.

First thing we did.... pulled apart about a dozen 45acp mistakes. ;-) not an easy task...had to beat the heck out of them.

Then, we got curious and pulled apart some brand new Winchester White box ball ammo. The 45acp uses about 4 grains of a very flaky powder that looks exactly like Hodgdon Titewad shotgun powder. The 9mm uses a little less powder (about 3.8 grains) of the exact same powder.

Just thought I'd share this with you folks. I don't use w231 powder, so I don't know what it looks like. I should've taken some pictures.

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highlander 5
July 31, 2007, 08:35 AM
Try using a 3 ft long piece of a 4x4 post to rap the puller on I think you,ll have better luck in pulling bullets

SASS#23149
July 31, 2007, 10:17 AM
try using the puller like a dead blow hammer....don't let it 'recoil' when you strike it,control the 'recoil' with your wrist.
they can break,so using wood instead of concrete is a good idea....

dont ask me how I know this.

caz223
July 31, 2007, 10:25 AM
I have heard through the grapevine that they use a non-canister grade variant of WSF in their .40, but have no idea what they use in 9mm.
Of course, it's all hearsay and speculation, so who can say?

I would love to find out what powder they use in winclean ammo. Wow that stuff burns clean.

The Bushmaster
July 31, 2007, 01:54 PM
Hit it on the end of that 4x4 post...

kellyj00
July 31, 2007, 02:39 PM
I read in the instructions about hitting the end grain of some wood. didn't know what difference that made, guess it makes sense that with more wood between you and something solid, more of a "dead blow" effect.

thanks.

Gearhead Jim
August 8, 2007, 11:38 AM
Hitting it on a tile floor can also leave dents in the tile...
:(

870pilot
August 8, 2007, 02:35 PM
i found it easier to use the shellholder from my press than the provided holder with the rubber o-ring gizmo... and on wood, not tile... sorry...

kellyj00
August 8, 2007, 03:27 PM
hey, that's a darned good idea. I'll try that out when I get home!

I had about 20 9mm's that I had over-seated and wanted to be safe. After trying to pull one and being unsuccessful after about 30 wacks on a board, I decided to just trash them and start over. Shoot.

syh
August 10, 2007, 11:16 AM
Had that ever damaged the shellholder?

Lone_Gunman
August 10, 2007, 02:33 PM
non-canister grade variant of WSF

what is cannister grade versus non-cannister grade?

Sunray
August 10, 2007, 02:57 PM
"...that looks exactly like..." Other than the colour and style of powder(flake, extruded, etc), you can't tell anything about any powder just by looking at it.
A Mk I rock about the size of a cantaloupe works well for bashing a kinetic bullet puller on. For some reason, concrete doesn't work as well. Density, I think. Wood is too soft and a carpeted floor just doesn't work.

R.W.Dale
August 10, 2007, 06:41 PM
I've found that impact pullers work really really really well if you strike a piece of cardboard laying flat on concrete. This works 300% better than beating on a piece of wood. The cardboard does a fine job of protecting the puller.

That shellholder in place of a collet Idea works GREAT

koja48
August 10, 2007, 10:25 PM
Damaged the rim on a case a time or two . . . then finally bought an RCBS puller die/collets and ain't ever looked back . . .

BigJakeJ1s
August 11, 2007, 09:07 PM
Hornady cam-lock puller works great for me, and a single lever activates the collet very quickly and easily.

Andy

BAT1
August 12, 2007, 02:11 AM
Use the # 2 [ lee] die for .45 in your kinetic puller. 2-3 raps on concrete should do it. Who knows what WWB uses, probably Chinese fire cracker powder. Good groups.

U.S.SFC_RET
August 12, 2007, 06:37 AM
While you are at it (pulling WWB) weigh the powder and bullets seperately if you are curious.

CypherNinja
August 12, 2007, 08:45 AM
Lone_Gunman: "Batch" powders are what ammo manufacturers use. Every time they receive a new batch of powder the test it in the lab to see what the proper charge weight should be. The batches will generally all be pretty close to one another, but not exactly the same.

"Canister" powders are what get sold to the public (in canisters ;)). These powders are produced/blended for very high uniformity batch to batch. This makes them more expensive, but it also means buying a new can of Bullseye and using the same load as the last can won't blow up your gun.

DBR
August 13, 2007, 01:10 AM
As I understand it the commercial producers load to pressure, not velocity. That is why different lots perform differently.

The commercials cannot have any idea what gun a load will be used in so they load to a 3x standard deviation max pressure. Average pressure will be significantly less than this.

Jim Watson
August 13, 2007, 09:49 AM
A hardball load of 4 gr .45 and 3.8 gr 9mm implies a VERY fast burning powder, not 231 or any reasonable variant.

Looking at published data, that powder probably does come off the Titewad production line, but the above cautions about bulk versus cannister lots apply. Just because it likely has Titewad chemistry and processing does not mean it is the same as what you buy under that label and you do NOT have permission to reload with 4 gr Titewad. I have seen NO pistol data for Titewad and it is so fast burning as to make experimentation risky.

brentfoto
August 16, 2007, 01:53 PM
Hornady cam-lock puller works great for me, and a single lever activates the collet very quickly and easily.

Andy

Wish I had purchased mine sooner. It's worth the additional expense to set up with separate collets. Only caveat is that you can't pull lead WC/SWC. Give Hornady a call about that before purchasing.

I would imagine one could literally pull hundreds of rounds an hour, if necessary, and with practice. People have reported doing so.

For any circumstance where you need to pull more than a bullet or two, I would recommend the Hornady, which screws in like a die to your press.
Mine is affixed to a single-stage press that I currently use solely for that purpose.

Mind you, I was getting tired of all the loud noise with the inertia hammer pullers and I don't think my dog appreciated it much, either. I was using my ear muffs/ears when doing so and now I don't have to do that one either.

What prompted my purchase was pulling about 250 40S&W using the hammer. Never again!:banghead:

10xforever
August 16, 2007, 02:36 PM
I use a piece of butcher block maple and it works much better than softer wood. Use the dead blow technique and don't allow the puller to rebound. It still takes a lot of pounding to remove the bullet.

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