Cheese is traveling to Philly - questions


July 31, 2007, 12:20 AM
Now that I am officially done with school, thesis and all - I'm free to travel around my LSAT prep schedule.

First on the list is Philly.

I know that Penn has reciprocity with Florida

Is Philly off limits? What do I need to know about Philly and Penn gun law for carrying on my trip there?


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July 31, 2007, 02:13 AM
Although they're trying to change it, currently Philadelphia isn't allowed to pass any gun legislation that's more restrictive than what the state arleady has. So, Philly gun laws are the same as Western PA gun laws, which is to say, they're awesome :) At least, in the eyes of this NY transplant.

Really, there's nothing you need to know about carrying in Philly. The only difference is that you need a CHL in order to *open carry* in Philly, but you already have a CHL, so if you choose to you'll be all set.

July 31, 2007, 03:59 AM
thanks Vodka

out of curiosity, what's not allowed under Penn gun law? State AWB? Any notable restrictions?

I'm traveling the country looking for a new place to live basically. Obviously, one criteria is respect of the BOR.

July 31, 2007, 04:14 AM
wow.... just checked. Looks like gun law in Penn is actually decent.

July 31, 2007, 06:41 AM
PA is a pretty rights friendly state..surrounded by anti-rights states.
As Vodka wrote, there is movement (mostly from Philly reps and our extremely anti-rights governor, Ed Rendell) to limit gun rights.
Rendell is the instigator behind all this crap...the reps are just his puppets.

When you go to Philly, just make sure your firearm is and stays concealed.

July 31, 2007, 07:39 AM
out of curiosity, what's not allowed under Penn gun law? State AWB? Any notable restrictions?

Looks like you've already got the info you need, but there's no AWB, no waiting period, no need for a permit to buy weapons, no limit on how many weapons you can buy, and no gun registration. Pretty incredible for a state that borders both New York and New Jersey.

July 31, 2007, 07:53 AM
Do be careful if visiting the Liberty Bell and Independence Hall... They are both on National Park ground so CCW is still off limits.... How ironic is that.

July 31, 2007, 07:57 AM
perhaps a sign nearby:

"Independence began here... and ended shortly afterwards. Please do not exercise your civil liberties when visiting the birthplace of your civil liberties as doing so will result in forfeit of said liberties. Thank you. Buy a t-shirt."

30 cal slob
July 31, 2007, 08:47 AM
You should be covered by FL.

HOWEVER ... there have been rumblings that the PA State Police will arrest you (contrary to state law and the PA Attorney General's Written Opinion) if you have a non-resident (like FL) permit.

I suspected this kinda crap would happen with PA being so close to NJ and NY - so I went ahead and got a non-resident PA permit from the Centre County Sheriff's office. It's fairly cheap and fairly quick. Worth the extra insurance against ANY hassles from PA LEO's who may interpret the law a little bit differently than the State AG. :rolleyes:

Here's a nice summary of PA gun rights here:

August 1, 2007, 04:36 AM

scratch the possibility of moving to Philly.....

what's the deal with PSP?

August 1, 2007, 05:03 AM
Just a clarification--the issue involves NON RESIDENT permits. If you're a Florida resident and carry in Philly with a Florida resident permit, you will be 100% OK.

If you're a Connecticut resident and carry in Philly on a non-resident Florida permit, and you run into the state police, you *may* have problems.

I wouldn't cross it off your list just because the staties don't like people who don't live in PA or in FL trying to carry in PA with an FL permit.

August 1, 2007, 05:21 AM
I am concerned to see that the police intentionally misinterpret what the state attorney would say and start arresting people because of it. Talk about overstepping power.

I mean, I didn't really mean scratch it literally..... I used that as an expression.... I'll still give it a look.

Basically I'm looking for a safe place with friendly folk, a decent sized urban area for business, good technology infrastructure, good legal environment that respects civil liberties.

Also it has to change seasons. I'm sick of south florida's seasons: Summer, summer, summer, and summer.

Just looking for a place to eventually have a family, a white picket fence, and dog named Spike. ;)

August 1, 2007, 06:09 AM
Cheese...I'm assuming reciprocity here. You can CCW anywhere except schools, court houses and state parks (which include most of the historic sites). That being said, not all of philly's finest are aware of the laws or choose to ignore them in light of the strong anti sentiment in the city. If I'm not mistaken, philly has the highest homicide rate in the country and the cops can be a bit over zealous. 'Class A' city or not, philly has no right to supercede the state laws which allows CCW with a valid permit. I was at a party a while ago and got into a conversation with a philly cop who was there. I asked about CCW with a permit and he said he would 'recommend it'.
I live in the suburbs of philly and like it here. The people are friendly for the most part and housing prices are low compared to other metro areas in the country. The transportation system is pretty good and the city is a short train ride from most areas. You can find all the things you listed in your original post and enjoy shooting sports without a problem.

August 1, 2007, 07:57 AM
Basically I'm looking for a safe place with friendly folk, a decent sized urban area for business, good technology infrastructure, good legal environment that respects civil liberties.

Then scratch Philly.

Safe? No.

Friendly? Barely.

Big? Well, it is that.

Good legal environment and respects civil liberties? I guess you might fit in if you are part of the ACLU. You might do better for some things in the suburbs, but the further out you go, the more they are infested with (gasp!) conservatives! :what:

Mr White
August 1, 2007, 10:09 AM
You don't want to move to Philly. Its a S#l+hole.

There's a large university in the central part of the state that has a legendary football coach and a law school. They're even in the process of building a big state of the art building for the law school. Its very near the Centre County Sheriff's office tha 30 cal slob mentioned above.

The gun culture is alive and well in Centre County!

August 1, 2007, 11:48 AM
If you don't plan to actually sleep in Philadelphia, you're fine. Commute. Philadelphia police will still tend to hassle you if you try to open carry, flash, or draw without a pretty good reason. Conceal and don't act like an idiot and things are usually fine. Get out of Philly proper, and things are a lot better. Occasionally hear of an issue with open carry in Montgomery County (NW of the city, nice, if increasingly blue state-ish). The annual gunshow is KOP there, and pretty well attended. Never had an issue in Bucks Co. (Further north, but right up the Northeast extension/Blue route) which isn't to say that there aren't any, just haven't heard of many problems. Good ranges and clubs start on the southern end of Bucks, and you're commuting distance to Philly, Lehigh Valley region, and NYC at a stretch. And if you don't mind a drive, you could do Lehigh County (further NW, 50 - 90 min away from downtown Philly, same to NYC, depending on township). It's rural (that's changing) but actually fairly close to most of the population in the MidAtlantic region. At the same time, great gunshops, ranges and clubs, state hunting lands, sking/hiking/rafting, farmers markets every five feet, and pretty soon, casinos (although you wouldn't be that far from real casinos in AC).

The biggest problem adjustment to make moving to PA is the attitude of the people. There's massive mutual animosity between the rural and urban populations, and the suburbs and sprawl areas are the battlegrounds. The country folk rejoice in being from the "country" even if they live within rock throwing distance of a major urban area. That generates a lot of the whole "Philly sucks!" meme; and the urbanites return the favor whenever they can. It took me years to get that. The roads suck, as does the skill of the average driver. The state's run like a well oiled clock... with sand poured in the gears and a drunken cuckoo bird. A relatively small snowstorm last year shut down one of the two major East-West highways for the better part of a week, stranding hundreds. Just poor planning and the fact that there are multiple agencies responsible for road clearing, even within a given municipality. It's bizarre, and everything works like that. Unions are still a force here, but not super strong on the eastern side of the state. Once you punch through the BS, it's lovely country, and friendly people, and a pretty darn good place for a gun owner.

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