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shopping for a first
July 31, 2007, 02:40 AM
Have any of you Sig owners out there purchased any of their custom shop upgrades? i Just purchased a P229 40 cal and was wondering if any of them are worth the money. Namely the short reset trigger and Siglite Night Sights.

Also, in what way does a feed ramp polish upgrade the performance of your pistol, if any?

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kungfuhippie
July 31, 2007, 02:50 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong...
The night sights are handy if you plan on shooting the gun in low light conditions (home defense)
The short reset trigger (FWIK) sound like a trick for people with short fingers or a dislike for long DA triggers.
The polished ramps would make for a smoother operating/more accurate gun in theory. I'd never cough up the money for it unless it was to fix a specific problem.

shopping for a first
July 31, 2007, 03:17 AM
Thank you for the response....
Night sights seem a bit pricey for the off chance that i would have to shoot in the dark. I will have to try them out before i make a final decision.

Since my 229 has the DAK trigger system, i think the short reset trigger may be a nice upgrade since the pull is rather long. ill have to check with customer service about how it changes the pull.

If all that is really done is the polishing of a surface, that sounds like something that could be done at home with the proper tools. Is that possible? I am a beginner when it comes to any kind of modifying or gun smithing work.

bluto
July 31, 2007, 03:57 AM
You mentioned that you've just purchased your Sig. I assume that it is your first one. My recommendation is that you shoot it for awhile, maybe 1000 rounds, before you consider modifying it in any way.

Sigs usually operate flawlessly out of the box. Of the modifications that you've mentioned, the SRT (Short Reset Trigger) might be worthwhile once you are very familiar with your pistol. It reduces the amount of travel needed upon firing to "reset" the trigger for the next shot. I doubt that you'll need a polished feed ramp and I'm not personally a fan of night sights, but many others are.

The bottom line is that Sigs shouldn't need any modifications. They are known for their reliability, accuracy, and durability right out of the box. Just keep them well lubricated and you should get years of great shooting out of your new pistol.

Oh, and I highly recommend against home smithing your Sig. If, on the off chance that something doesn't work, you run into any real problems, send it back to the factory. That's what warranties are for.

TimboKhan
July 31, 2007, 06:08 AM
Just keep them well lubricated and you should get years of great shooting out of your new pistol.

I don't disagree with the "well lubricated" part, but it is important to note that there is a big difference between "well lubricated" and "properly lubricated". Many new gun owners go way, way overboard on the oiling and lubrication. I am, of course, not implying somehow that you do/advocate this, but since I get the sense that the OP is a new shooter (My main clue being that his screenname is "Shopping for a first"), it bears mentioning that very, very little oil is necessary to properly lubricate a pistol. I personally use a graphite lube with complete satisfaction on all of my autos, and I have had the same teensy little tube for, literally, years now. If you choose to use an oil of some sort, a drop on each rail is all you need.

I realize I am sort of splitting some semantic hairs here, but I have just seen this problem come up enough times with new shooters that I felt compelled to point out the difference...

bluto
July 31, 2007, 10:57 AM
Well put Timbokhan -

Page 14 of the Sig owner's manual gives specific instructions about proper lubrication of Sig firearms. I use TW-25b - the lubricant recommended by Sigarms. It is worth noting that Sigs appreciate proper lubrication more than most pistols, especially on the frame rails and barrel locking surfaces. It is also important to note that lubrication for carry and lubrication for practice sessions have different requirements.

Here's an excellent thread (one of many) on Sigforums:

http://sigforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/430601935/m/130107708?r=594109708#594109708

zeroskillz
July 31, 2007, 11:45 AM
Congrats on your new purchase, and welcome to the family.
:D

Oh, and aftermarket night sightes can be had for much less , do a search over in the sigforum classifieds...

MK11
July 31, 2007, 01:15 PM
From what I understand, the short trigger reset means there's a much shorter distance the trigger has to travel after firing before it can fire again. Sigs tend to have a longer reset than 1911s or Glocks, and a lot of people prefer rthe shorter reset for both speed and precision shooting. This isn't the same as Sig's short trigger, which is just a thinner trigger face that small fingers may have an easier time getting around (I hated the one on my P239, I'm much happier with the full-size trigger).

I dry fired a P226 with the action package, it was very nice. At some point I plan on sending most of my Sigs in for the action package, including the short reset. Unless you're having feeding problems, I wouldn't bother with polishing the feed ramp on a Sig.

10-Ring
July 31, 2007, 08:43 PM
I normally shoot my guns first & change out what I don't like -- 9 times out of 10, I make no changes at all...since it's a new pistol, shoot it first...shoot it alot, save the $$ for now and spend it on ammo & range time! ;)

Jim Watson
July 31, 2007, 10:13 PM
I do not think the SRT can be installed on a DAK except by converting it to DA-SA. I might be wrong, call Sigarms before you make big plans.

awhiteha
July 13, 2008, 01:26 PM
I use sewing maching oil, preferably SOOM SPOUT sewing machine oiler, on all my pistols. I love it because it creeps on metal and the oiler has an extendable and retractable spout and it only costs 2 bucks for a 4 oz bottle which will last years. Soak it with KROIL and then lube it up with sewing machine oil. I put 1000 rounds through my Sig this morning and I just wiped off my feed ramp with a rag and the rest looks clean still.

Just an idea.

FranklyTodd
July 13, 2008, 03:50 PM
I haven't used Sig's custom shop, but the P239 I just bought has both features mentioned.

The Sig night sights are nice - I can't compare them to standard, because I haven't used them. Most folks assume there's a high liklihood that a defensive shooting will occur in low light, but many also say you won't have time to line up your sights in such a situation. I would probably put night sights on mine if it hadn't come with them.

The SRT trigger is cool, but I doubt I would send mine in for custom work if it didn't have it. Basically on follow up SA shots, you only need to allow the trigger to go a very short distance forward before you can pull again. If you were really trying to rapid fire (maybe IDPA?), I guess it would help. As I said, I'm glad mine has it, but I probably let off far enough between shots that the regular trigger would reset anyway, so I don't know if it's doing anything for me.


Many new gun owners go way, way overboard on the oiling and lubrication

I had to send mine back to Sig for a feed ramp polish, and it came back with gobs of grease everywhere. Don't know if it was just a sloppy job, but I was surprised.

The feed ramp polish job took mine from not feeding hollowpoints to feeding them perfectly, so it definitely can help, but if you have run a bunch of ammo through without issues, I would not want anyone reshaping the ramp at all!

Good luck with your new gun. I absolutely love my P239.

Best,
FT

[EDIT - just noticed you got the DAK, I don't think you can have SRT & DAK. The SRT is for SA follow up shots, all your shots are double action with DAK]

9mmepiphany
July 13, 2008, 07:52 PM
first...welcome to the sig family

i gather, from your picture, that your gun is a 229 with the DAK trigger. the DAK trigger is double action only (hammer will not stay cocked when slide returns to battery) and cannot benifit from Sig's short reset rigger...the short reset only applies to the single action reset.

you do not need night sights right away. as stated earlier, shoot it some and decide if you'd like to add them later.

unless your gun has problems feeding different kinds of ammo, you won't need your feed ramp polished either.

it came back with gobs of grease everywhere. Don't know if it was just a sloppy job, but I was surprised

Sigs are meant to run "wet". when training, it is recommended that you grease the rails, on the frame, heavily (almost dripping) to protect them from excessive wear. the grease will stay in place where oil won't...protect your rails at all cost.

Erik
July 14, 2008, 07:39 PM
Another who does not believe the standard DA/SA or SRT trigger group options are do-able on your DAk configured pistol. At least not cheaply.

I'd upgrade sights and call it good. After a while address any short coming that you have identified, if any.

9mmepiphany
July 14, 2008, 08:37 PM
if you're interested in converting to DA/SA, it's just a parts change.

if you're interetsed in getting your action tuned. consider sending it to Grayguns Inc, maybe the best Sig tuners on the earth
www.Grayguns.com

if you're interested in running you're gun, be it DA/SA or DAK, at high efficiency, go to a shooting class. take a look and see if there is a class coming close to you
www.GraygunsTraining.com

RobertFBurnett
July 14, 2008, 09:31 PM
if you're interetsed in getting your action tuned. consider sending it to Grayguns Inc, THE best Sig tuner on the earth
www.Grayguns.com

if you're interested in running you're gun, be it DA/SA or DAK, at high efficiency, go to a shooting class. take a look and see if there is a class coming close to you
www.GraygunsTraining.com

^ Fixed it for you 9mmepiphany ;)

In all seriousness though Bruce Gray is a true craftsman, and 9mmepiphany knows his stuff.

I bought my 226r with the SIGlites already installed so I cannot speak of the value of the custom shop versions.

The SRT, as far as I can tell, if not incompatible with your DAK might not give you all the benefits it was intended to. It doesn't affect the trigger pull, but how far forward the trigger moves forward before it resets for another shot. I have heard it is VERY short also. Definitely call SIG with any questions you have as it is just a parts swap.

Also, I have not seen anyone mention it but the upside to SIG doing work on your SIG is it preserves the warranty...it should also be noted Bruce Gray Absolutely stands behind his work so with him I do not worry...fly-by-night guy at gunshow though beware.

Welcome to THR, Enjoy your SIG, they are addictive little Europeans. ;)

RFB

9mmepiphany
July 14, 2008, 10:05 PM
thanks Bob...i try to follow Bruce's example of being modest

Bruce Gray warrantees his work work for the life of the original owner...it can be transfered to another owner if they send it in for a checkup

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