What I am doing about eBay's ban on gun parts.


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SaxonPig
July 31, 2007, 11:47 AM
I will contact a bunch of eBay sellers with this message.

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With eBay now prohibiting the sales of gun parts you might consider becoming a seller at www.gunbroker.com as you can sell any firearm-related item that you wish to sell. Plus, gunbroker doesn’t charge any listing fees, only a fee if the item sells so it’s actually cheaper to sell there. Please pass this message on to other sellers to spread the word.

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SaxonPig
July 31, 2007, 12:19 PM
HA! It took about 10 minutes for ebay to suspend my account after I started sending those messages to sellers. I don't know what sort of monitoring system they use but they were on me almost immediately for "recommending a selling site other than ebay."

What should they care since they won't sell gun parts any longer? GB is not their competition if they don't sell gun stuff.

Oh well.

AntiqueCollector
July 31, 2007, 12:20 PM
re-register and start over...

#shooter
July 31, 2007, 12:29 PM
Create new accounts and spam away. If ebay wishes not to sell FA related items then who cares.

Cannonball888
July 31, 2007, 12:37 PM
For the gun-related stuff which I currently have eBay ads I have added the following message:


As you may be aware eBay plans to prohibit gun parts sales and auctions by mid August. http://www2.ebay.com/aw/core/200707.shtml#2007-07-30094109

Please voice your protest to Mr Halprin at mhalprin@eBay.com

Thank you.

bluetopper
July 31, 2007, 12:42 PM
I wonder if they will still sell reloading supplies such as presses, bullets, cases, etc,....?

mpmarty
July 31, 2007, 12:46 PM
"Matt Halprin;
Hello everyone…In mid-August, we will be updating our Firearms, Weapons and Knives Policy to place more restrictions around gun-related items. Once these changes take effect, we will prohibit listings of any firearm part that is required for the firing of a gun. This includes items like bullet tips, brass casings and shells, barrels, slides, cylinders, magazines, firing pins, trigger assemblies, etc. Please read the Firearms, Weapons and Knives Policy for more details on our current policy.

As you may know, eBay does not allow the listing of any items which are regulated by individual states or the federal government; however, there are still a large number of firearm-related parts that are legal and are widely available in retail stores. These items have also historically been allowed on eBay.

After learning that some items purchased on eBay may have been used in the tragedy at Virginia Tech in April 2007, we felt that revisiting our policies was not only necessary, but the right thing to do. After much consideration, the Trust & Safety policy team – along with our executive leaders at eBay Inc. – have made the decision to further restrict more of these items than federal and state regulations require.

This new update continues to encourage safety among our community members and brings our policies in the U.S. and Canada in closer alignment with our existing policies in other markets around the globe.

Sincerely,

Matt Halprin
Vice President, Trust & Safety"

What a croc.

I'm selling my Ebay stock and will never darken their doorstep again.

Radjxf
July 31, 2007, 12:53 PM
Hopefully we can still get grossly overbid S&W wood combat grips! Or those great deals on Milt Sparks holsters for $200! I really hate Ebay. Lately, I've had to completely re-do my account due to all of the hackers and scammers there. You can't buy anything worth the money, esp if you don't run the "last second sniper software". I've been selling most of my gun stuff on the gun forums anyway. Good riddance.

BHPshooter
July 31, 2007, 01:03 PM
My letter to them:

Mr. Halprin,

I am disappointed to learn of the upcoming restrictions eBay will be placing on gun parts and accessories. Probably 99% of the the things that I watch and purchase on eBay are gun parts. I work in the gun industry, so I certainly don't have to purchase these things using eBay, but I do... or did, as it were.

I am further saddened because many of the more rare, historical firearm accessories that I seek after are relatively easy to find on eBay.

I certainly hope that whatever your hobby is, Mr. Halprin, that it never comes under the sort of assault and restriction that mine has. I understand that eBay feels that somehow this will prevent psychotics like the killer at Virginia Tech, but such thoughts are shortsighted and ill-conceived. Conservative estimates suggest that 40 million Americans own firearms, and use them responsibly. Punishing 39,999,999 gun owners for the actions of one don't compute. Imagine if sales of cars were to halt for the actions of the few stupid drivers who choose to drive while inebriated.

I regret that I will no longer be buying, selling, or looking on eBay due to this decision. I hope that you will reconsider.

Wes Dahl
Tooele, Utah

Screw 'em.
Wes

still442
July 31, 2007, 01:15 PM
Good riddance to bad rubbish, says I.

I've been an ebay buyer/seller almost since the very beginning. Over the years, its gone from a buyer's market to something that more closely resembles Buy.com or Overstock.com.

Gunbroker.com is unfortunately headed that same direction.

I usually do better anyway at gun shows, in local shops, or using classifieds at places like The High Road.

Now if only craigslist would lift the gun restriction, we'd really have something to facilitate FTF deals...In my area we do have Outdoors Trader (http://www.outdoorstrader.com/), but it doesn't have a lot of activity.

fixyurgun
July 31, 2007, 01:18 PM
Ebay has turned a blind eye to their "power sellers" breaking federal law for years (by selling barreled receivers labeled barrel) . want to bet the changes don't affect the ebay elite?

Destroyer318
July 31, 2007, 01:26 PM
Already registered with GunBroker.com! http://dot11net.net/~jiml/CHLCheers.gif

Drusagas
July 31, 2007, 02:00 PM
Anyone know where to find when there are gun shows and such in Texas? Like a listing with all the dates?

jestertoo
July 31, 2007, 02:11 PM
going to google.com, typing "texas gun shows" gave me this:

http://www.gunshows-usa.com/texas_gun_&_knife_shows.htm

Now, back to ebay bashing.

kellyj00
July 31, 2007, 02:19 PM
could someone just put together a forum for all gun related stuff?

Simple as pie, I figure. The only thread's should be postings of stuff for sale with pictures, and the only responses to those threads should be from the seller saying "sold, to BobJones101 May 10, 2007" and Bobjones101 saying "good seller, good shipping"

If you found something you wanted to buy, but weren't sure of the seller, you could just do an 'advanced search' for all posts done by that seller.

All I need to do now is register a domain, get a static IP and something to use as a server.... not sure where to get the forum's software. Perhaps a moderator would be interested in supplying me with a little info or advice on such an endeavor... ;-)

tmajors
July 31, 2007, 02:23 PM
HA! It took about 10 minutes for ebay to suspend my account after I started sending those messages to sellers.

Nice. Can't sell gun stuff there, but also can't recommend another site to sell gun stuff at.

bumm
July 31, 2007, 07:47 PM
I've been buying through eBay for 9 years and have perfect feedback. This last year, I've run into more technical glitches and complications than ever before. Today, I recieved an "unpaid item strike" for an item that I recieved in the mail yesterday. I've had it with 'em.
Marty

Rustynuts
July 31, 2007, 07:51 PM
Are they going to ban selling cars, since they kill more people than guns? Doesn't surprise me though, eBay's be sucking for awhile. Still shop and sell there though - what a hypocrite!

Clipper
August 1, 2007, 01:03 AM
Screw it...So I'll buy my gun parts elsewhere. I don't plan to stop buying other stuff there, as it's still the best place for the other items I buy & sell. They're willing to lose the revenue, that's their right. I'm not willing to bite off my own nose to make a point they are unwilling to acknowledge anyway, and I refuse to fall into the fascism of those zero tolerance types who would stop using the service altogether because of their exercizing their right to restrict the type of items they will allow to be sold on their site.


BTW, I want to see a link to anyone selling sniper programs. I call BS on 'em. I still have to get up at 2:00 A.M. to snipe stuff the old-fashioned way...

silverlance
August 1, 2007, 01:11 AM
I am one of those "ebay elite" powersellers. I got that status by working my butt off. funny thing is, I quit earlier this month because my wife got deployed to afganistan, and I wanted to spend my time with her.

so i have tons of inventory, and now that ebay is shutting down, I really don't care. I can alway sell what i have left off here to my friends, and besides, I had REALLY REALLY gotten tired of copycats stealing my ideas, my hard work writing auctions, and even my copyrights without ebay doing squat about it. they WANT competition, even if it's unscrupulous. they don't care very much at all.

anyway, i'm "duenor" on ebay with about 700 feedback. and since ebay is a POS anyway, here's the handle of the worst guy who was copying all my S**, ideas, etc. He's some guy called "netdat" and when I politely asked him to stop copying my stuff he told me to jump in a lake.. then proceeded to badmouth me on ebay calling me things like "rinky dink" and "idiot".

ebay did nothing.

so, whatever. i hope ebay stock takes a dive and GB and AA become the next big thing. i'm losing money for sure, but i hate them anyway.

hexidismal
August 1, 2007, 01:23 AM
It is certainly annoying for me. I did buy the occasional gun related item there, and sometimes it really was the best price. Even more often though I used it to sell items that I bought and decided I didn't want, usually at not much loss (and sometimes even profit). Its easy to say you can just sell it here or on other forums or even gunbroker, but realistically sometimes things just don't sell, and ebay is the largest possible audience. I will definitely feel less secure buying items I'm not sure of, just to try them out, now that I won't be able to use ebay to reclaim the loss.

RMc
August 1, 2007, 01:49 AM
Sent to: mhalprin@ebay.com

Re: Message from Matt Halprin – New Listing Restrictions on Gun Parts

I have read of your decision to remove all firearms related parts from eBay in August. The vast majority of my eBay purchases have been firearms parts, specifically barrels, stocks, magazines, bullets, once-fired brass and shotshells. Some of these barrels, stocks, bullets and shotshell hulls have been used in conducting marksmanship and firearms safety training for Boy Scouts and others in my community.

I have looked to eBay for the many barrels and parts that are out of production and hard to find anywhere. It will be part of my online experience that will be missed greatly since ebay has elected to remove the primary reason for this eBayer to browse and bid.

On a national level, legislation has been implemented to with the help of the NRA to strengthen the instant check system to help prevent those adjudicated mentally incompetent from purchasing a firearm. eBay has for a long time prohibited the sale of that part legally deemed a firearm - the receiver or frame. Without this key part no other parts have any real use.

Your new policy prohibiting the sale of firearms parts is nothing more than a "feel good" public relations move that will have no real effect on criminal activity of any kind.

I realize it would be hard to retract such a policy - no matter how ill-advised at this point. Regardless, I call on you to have the courage to immediately recind this misguided public relations ploy.

RMc

brentn
August 1, 2007, 01:58 AM
HA! It took about 10 minutes for ebay to suspend my account after I started sending those messages to sellers. I don't know what sort of monitoring system they use but they were on me almost immediately for "recommending a selling site other than ebay."

They made a mistake!
They enforce the "recommending a selling site other than ebay" becuase its a conflict of interest, how in the hell can it be a COI now???? Any place of business that recommends a place of purchase other than their own for goods they do not/cannot carry is called CUSTOMER SERVICE.

What a bunch of ........

Outlaws
August 1, 2007, 02:15 AM
Can I still buy all those super mean looking knives and swords?

ArfinGreebly
August 1, 2007, 03:03 AM
Too bad about eBay.

There are other bays out there among the islands, undiscovered by mortal man.

I've heard tales of places like gun-bay and gunpowder-bay where no man has yet set foot.

A man could settle there and set up a little on-line gig, named after the aforementioned bay, of course.

Grab your maps, lads, there's a lot of unexplored territory out there.

Aaaarrrrr!

evan price
August 1, 2007, 08:36 AM
Got banned....lol....what did you expect?
eBay is a joke, has been a long time, paypal is worse, can't pay for firearms stuff through them. Good riddance.

BHPshooter
August 1, 2007, 02:49 PM
Dear Wes,

Thank you for your recent email to Matt Halprin in regard to changes to
our Firearms, Weapons and Knives policy. He has asked that I review your
email and respond on his behalf.

Let me start by saying that I understand that this is a very frustrating
situation. Before choosing to discontinue use of your eBay account I
hope that you would allow me the opportunity to explain why we have
chosen to amend our policy.

Like the rest of the nation, eBay was deeply saddened and shocked by the
events at Virginia Tech and we felt that it was not only appropriate,
but necessary, to revisit our related policies. While nothing purchased
on our site was illegal in any way, we felt compelled to ask ourselves
some tough questions and ensure we do everything possible to provide a
safe and trusted marketplace.

We have always valued an open and transparent marketplace; if items are
legal to buy and sell in an unrestricted manner we allow them on our
site. However, there are some items that while legal, may not be safe
for our marketplace. In these instances, our applicable policies go
beyond the law to ensure that our marketplace is safe.

Currently we do not allow actual firearms on the site. After careful
consideration our executives and our Trust and Safety team determined
that any item required to fire a gun has no place on eBay. All of our
policies are under constant review. As the Internet and the way our
communities use the Internet evolves, our policies and our marketplace
must evolve with it. We determined that this policy change was in the
best interest of promoting a safe marketplace for all members.

I understand your frustration regarding this matter and apologize for
the inconvenience it caused you.

Sincerely,

Terri
Office of the President

Basically a "Please don't go!!!" plea. :rolleyes:

Wes

Clipper
August 1, 2007, 03:08 PM
Well, there will still be scopes and sights, stocks and cleaning supplies, etc...If you wish to go back to paying retail for them, it will just cut down on my competition for them...For all the tough talk, I'm sure only the tiniest, most miniscule percentage of gunnies will actually leave.

Blackbeard
August 1, 2007, 03:35 PM
We determined that this policy change was in the
best interest of promoting a safe marketplace for all members

Has anyone ever been shot while shopping on eBay?

fletcher
August 1, 2007, 03:36 PM
Has anyone ever been shot while shopping on eBay?

No, but I got robbed :neener:

If they were really concerned about "safety", they'd crack down on fraudulent sellers - THAT actually hurts someone.

Spuds
August 1, 2007, 03:40 PM
After careful consideration our executives and our Trust and Safety team determined that any item required to fire a gun has no place on eBay.

Sounds like there is no place for me on epay either. So long, epay. Worst wishes. :barf:

john1911
August 1, 2007, 04:48 PM
Well, there will still be scopes and sights, stocks and cleaning supplies, etc...If you wish to go back to paying retail for them, it will just cut down on my competition for them...For all the tough talk, I'm sure only the tiniest, most miniscule percentage of gunnies will actually leave.

You can have my part :barf:. I canceled my account today.

I guess I'll take principles over a couple bucks any day :(.

evan price
August 1, 2007, 10:27 PM
I am going to continue to sell reloading brass on eBay.

Just instead of listing it as reloading brass, I will list it as scrap brass. They still allow sale of scrap metal. So it happens to be ammo casings. It's scrap brass.

We'll see how long THAT lasts.

Merc41
August 1, 2007, 10:49 PM
Cancelled my account after having 100% favorable rating for about 10 years. One has to draw the line somewhere, and this is it. Ebay can k i double s my a double s.

patentmike
August 1, 2007, 10:53 PM
I am going to continue to sell reloading brass on eBay.


There might be a flaw in your plan: All the buyers are leaving.
See ya on gunbroker.

c_yeager
August 1, 2007, 10:56 PM
Have you done anything to address gunbroker's ban on the sale of beany babies?

MMcD
August 1, 2007, 11:01 PM
ebay account closed.

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