No Ebay - Where Will You Buy Online Now?


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ugaarguy
July 31, 2007, 01:51 PM
With Ebay's recent announcement severely restricting what gun parts can be sold on their site, which website do you now plan to use for such purchases?

New Restrictions - http://www2.ebay.com/aw/core/200707.shtml#2007-07-30094109 - meant to put that in the first time.

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cracked butt
July 31, 2007, 01:53 PM
What are there new restrictions?

ugaarguy
July 31, 2007, 01:57 PM
Cracked Butt,
I edited in a link to the announcement above.

Cannonball888
July 31, 2007, 03:41 PM
All of the above.

ar154life
July 31, 2007, 03:41 PM
ill only buy what I can find from gun forums!

Bruce333
July 31, 2007, 03:43 PM
I have never used eBay for gun parts, or anything related to firearms.

That said...all of the above.

strat81
July 31, 2007, 03:45 PM
Bought 3 holsters and a ton of brass off eBay.

IllHunter
July 31, 2007, 03:47 PM
Never have and I guess I never will !

nwilliams
July 31, 2007, 04:47 PM
All of the above and use ebay for my non gun related purchases.

I've purchased hundreds of items off ebay over the years, only a few have been gun related.

I prefer to buy from gun shops and help support my local gun community, even if I have to spend a few bucks more. However there are times when I want to buy things that you can only find online, in which case there are no shortage of online retailers and company websites.

SoCalShooter
July 31, 2007, 04:49 PM
All of the above and forums.

Pat Cannon
July 31, 2007, 07:10 PM
Would've said "don't know", but I just found a great deal on speedloaders & a speedloader carrier on Gunbroker. Very happy with the whole transaction.

Cosmoline
July 31, 2007, 07:22 PM
Ebay long ago degenerated into a scam artist haven. I go directly to special interest forums. So if I need a high sight for an old Swiss rifle, I look up the guy who sells those. Etc.

VARifleman
July 31, 2007, 07:29 PM
I can't see anything different from their old policy regarding firearms. Doh...he said mid August...I need to read more carefully. Oh well...that really really sucks.

CU74
July 31, 2007, 07:31 PM
I stopped using E-Bay years ago. I find GB and AA sufficient for my meeds. GA is too much of a hassle.

R.W.Dale
August 1, 2007, 12:25 AM
If only gunbroker would start charging to re list items so all the same overpriced junk would stop cluttering up their categories. I swear there's items that have been listed for 4 years now.


They REALLY need to advertise to take advantage of e-bays idiocy. As a seller I'll move my items over to their site if they can get their exposure up. I've had 70 watchers on e-bay items I've listed, it would be nice iffn gunbroker could do half that.

FM12
August 1, 2007, 12:35 AM
Bargains are RARE on gunbroker, especially for magazines, reloading components, then sellers want 8 9 10 dollars for shipping, its rediculoius for shipping charges. Same on ebay, had a guy charge me $6 to ship a cd for about 75 cents. I sell a lot of stuff, so cant write them off.

no_problem
August 1, 2007, 12:40 AM
OK, if they don't wanna carry gun items, then I just won't buy the stuff...C'mon guys...these are gun things. Gun things are not essential items. It's not like they are closing down your local grocery store!

I don't need 500 pieces of .45ACP brass THAT BADLY!

kermit315
August 1, 2007, 03:17 AM
i have bought a gun through gunbroker before, so i voted for them, however i am not ruling out the other choices either.

Cosmoline
August 1, 2007, 04:13 AM
Gunbroker tends to be way overpriced across the board. And as noted the same crud gets cycled and recycled for years. There's one little Colt .38 S&W cylinder that's been up for sale for about four years now. Certain sellers just won't bring the price down. It would be better if they cleaned house from time to time.

GA has been pretty dead since they put all the new features on. I keep having to log on just to see larger pictures, the whole system is messed up. And as a whole the thing has gone from being a cool on line swap meet to being a place for dealers to post their overpriced back shelf items. Plenty of con men over there, too.

10 Ring Tao
August 1, 2007, 04:20 AM
I've sworn off ebay and paypal. I just don't understand the thought process of those that still use them. Why support someone who blatantly works against you?

Essex County
August 1, 2007, 01:48 PM
I never deid much off Ebay other than reloading presses, scales and dies. Most of my parts business has gone to Brownell's, Gun Parts or Midway. I forsee no change......Essex

frankcostanza
August 1, 2007, 01:57 PM
ive never bought much from ebay that's gun related. i'll keep using ebay for non-gun purchases

scout26
August 1, 2007, 02:01 PM
I do most of my shopping here at THR.

ugaarguy
August 3, 2007, 03:50 AM
BTT

BobHAJ
August 3, 2007, 03:58 AM
ebang.com

Checkman
August 3, 2007, 12:34 PM
Ebay and Paypal is an excellent way to get ripped off. Wouldn't go near that site.

glockman19
August 3, 2007, 12:44 PM
I've never used E-bay my wife however has. I use gunbroker to shop bu call direct to the merchant for a sale. www.budsgunshop has great prices quick delivery and friendly people, Brandon, Derek, Beth et al. They also offer a GE Money Sport credit card with NO payments & NO interest for 90 days on purchases over $200. Quite the deal since there isa lag time for most between ordering and shooting for the first time. For my last purchase they sent the gun to my FFL in 3 days priority mail now another 10 and it's mine so 77 days for me.

MrDig
August 3, 2007, 12:54 PM
I voted for all three since I use them anyway and rarely if ever use Ebay.

hapuna
August 3, 2007, 01:02 PM
I have always bought on GlockTalk. Generally trustworthy folks that sell stuff as described for reasonable prices.:cool:

brighamr
August 3, 2007, 01:11 PM
but I need people to help me. How about the THR forum compile a list of ALL internet\mail order sites and shops? This would make future buying and selling a whole lot easier....

And yes, I wrote ebay telling them they will be losing my 147 annual sales. It wont hurt them much, but if enough sellers go elsewhere at least they'll feel it.

Kacerdias
August 3, 2007, 02:16 PM
Rather than dealing with Ebay, I'd much rather buy my firearms related items at a locally owned shop where I know the guys behind the counter aren't scamming me and will make it right should something go wrong.

If Ebay wants to shoot themselves in the proverbial foot, let 'em.

Harley Quinn
August 3, 2007, 02:19 PM
I voted "other" for I never know when I'll run across a good deal and buy.
The fact is I should be selling now since I am in the fall of my years.

HQ

R.W.Dale
August 3, 2007, 07:10 PM
I'd much rather buy my firearms related items at a locally owned shop I know the guys behind the counter aren't scamming me and will make it right should something go wrong.

Where is this UTOPIA located? Round here you're just as likely to get scammed over a counter top as over the web

skinnyguy
August 3, 2007, 08:27 PM
Gunbroker most often, have used AuctionArms, and TRIED to use gunsamerica, but the person I attempted to deal with was an idiot, I know it's not GA's fault, but it kind of turned me off to that place.

ugaarguy
August 3, 2007, 09:31 PM
Thanks for the feedback thus far.

Rexster
August 4, 2007, 02:06 AM
I have bought holsters, barrels, grips, and other assorted gun parts on Ebay. I am not going to just close my account, as I plan to compose a thoughtful message in the coming days to urge not making the changes. I also still have some Jeep parts and a book inbound, and need to maintain the account until these things are delivered, in case of problems that need to be resolved. I do, however, plan to quit Ebay on principle if the changes happen. I have no experience with the other sites, so did not vote in the poll. I am hopeful that at least one of the other sites can successfully absorb the firearms-related business formerly conducted on Ebay. Or, perhaps one of the bigger dealers on Ebay will open a rival auction site.

Finch
August 4, 2007, 05:37 AM
It was inevitable. The only thing Ebay accomplished by their silly socialist action was to allow other internet auction sites to garner more business. This is is an email I received from Auction Arms:
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Dear Valued AuctionArms customer:

You may have heard the recent news or received a message from EBay that they have taken yet another anti-Second Amendment position (their first was in 1999 when they abandoned their firearms sellers) . They are now, once again, abandoning their good and faithful customers who sell firearms parts, ammunition reloading components and reloading gear. Here is that announcement:

***Message from Matt Halprin – New Listing Restrictions on Gun Parts***


July 30, 2007 | 10:00AM PST/PT

Matt Halprin

Hello everyone…In mid-August, we will be updating our Firearms, Weapons and Knives Policy to place more restrictions around gun-related items. Once these changes take effect, we will prohibit listings of any firearm part that is required for the firing of a gun. This includes items like bullet tips, brass casings and shells, barrels, slides, cylinders, magazines, firing pins, trigger assemblies, etc. Please read the Firearms, Weapons and Knives Policy for more details on our current policy.

As you may know, eBay does not allow the listing of any items which are regulated by individual states or the federal government; however, there are still a large number of firearm-related parts that are legal and are widely available in retail stores. These items have also historically been allowed on eBay.

After learning that some items purchased on eBay may have been used in the tragedy at Virginia Tech in April 2007, we felt that revisiting our policies was not only necessary, but the right thing to do. After much consideration, the Trust & Safety policy team – along with our executive leaders at eBay Inc. – have made the decision to further restrict more of these items than federal and state regulations require.

This new update continues to encourage safety among our community members and brings our policies in the U.S. and Canada in closer alignment with our existing policies in other markets around the globe.

Sincerely,

Matt Halprin
Vice President, Trust & Safety

We strongly disagree with eBay’s stance on the 2nd Amendment in general and specifically in their lackadaisical abandonment of their long and faithful customers. We think it is unconscionable. But hey, it’s their right, and we love them for helping us continue to build our business!

While eBay may have disdain for the 2nd Amendment rights of it’s customers, we here at Auctionarms believe you should be able to sell any legal item you may care to, especially firearms, firearms parts, ammunition, ammunition components and reloading gear…how else are you going to defend yourself against mad men and the evildoers who stalk innocents in those politically correct “gun free” zones?!

We believe you should have the right to sell these items in a free and open market. We believe you should have the right to be free from fear of abandonment by a online sales venue that you've invested your time and money in to create profit for them and a reputation and goodwill for yourself.

We have proudly built our business and reputation on firearms. We have for almost 10 years now. We will continue to do so. We will not abandon our customers at the whim of some misguided, liberal minded, political correctness. That is our pledge.

We invite all abandoned eBay seller to move your firearms, firearms parts, ammunition, ammunition reloading components and reloading gear immediately to AuctionArms. Show eBay you can abandon them as quick as they abandon you and move to the BEST place on the internet for firearms and firearms related auctions!

We will make this solemn pledge to you. WE WILL NEVER ABANDON OUR CUSTOMERS WHO ARE SELLING LEGAL ITEMS, NEVER”.

We pride ourselves on customer service. We freely publish phone numbers through our “Contact Us” link that appears on every page. (find a customer service phone number on eBay!). We have real folks in the good old USA to talk to when you call those numbers. We care about our customers and about the rights of our customers to fully enjoy their rights under the Second Amendment.

Top 10 Reasons to move to AuctionArms:

1. We won't abandon you, ever.
2. No Listing Fees: There are never any fees to list an auction at AuctionArms and our selling commissions are much lower.
3. Free sign-up: For abandoned Sellers signing up in August, we will eat the sign-up fee for new abandoned sellers moving from Ebay (normally $4)
4. Free Auctions: For abandoned Sellers signing up in August, we won't charge you for any Final Value Fees (sales commissions for the first month if you disclose your eBay seller’s nickname) in order to ease the transition and reward you investing in our learning curve.
5. Free Special Features: For abandoned Sellers signing up in August, we will give you free Special Features for your first month.
6. Free over 200 Items listings: We will arrange to waive fees for added auctions if you list more than 200 items at a time. Just let us know.
7. Feedback Credit: We will credit your Ebay Feedback record towards becoming a Penny Auctioneer (a highly popular and successful feature on our site).
8. Retained eBay recognition: We will provide recognition of your eBay earned feedback status and use of your eBay nickname (when available) in order for you to salvage some of your hard earned goodwill and reputation.
9. Free Introductions: We will send an email letter of introduction to your past buyers at eBay, (you'll need to confidentially provide us with an emailing list) introducing them to your account at AuctionArms.
10. Special Discounts: We'll provide you with special discounts based on fees payment history with eBay for firearms parts, reloading components and reloading gear (we'll need you to confidentially disclose payment history with eBay to us to qualify for this benefit).
11. Familiar categories: To assist eBay’s newly abandoned sellers in moving their auctions to AuctionArms, we have reproduced their categories for firearms parts, reloading components and reloading gear so that they will be easily familiar to you.
12. Support for pro-gun rights: For every abandoned seller that signs up with us in the month of August, We will be donate $ to the NRA Foundation.

OK, I lied, there are 12. As always we like to add special value for our sellers.

How can we offer all this free stuff? Well, we are so confident that once you use AuctionArms to connect to our international customer base of like minded firearms enthusiasts and see how well we work for you, you will like what you see and stay with us. You'll generate future sales and commissions and we'll all win. How can you loose…frankly, you can't!

If you've received this message and are not an eBay seller, but have purchased these sorts of items from eBay sellers, do them and yourself a favor. Forward this message on to them. Help insure you will continue to enjoy a broad selection of firearms parts, reloading components and reloading gear through the convenience of the internet and at a Second Amendment friendly site!

Thanks for taking the time to read this message and thanks for being a customer at the BEST place on the internet for firearms auctions. We appreciate your business and look forward to many years of providing you with unparalleled service.

Spread the Gospel!

Manny DelaCruz

Chief Executive Officer

AuctionArms.com, Inc.

The BEST place on the internet for firearms auctions!

Darkside852003
August 4, 2007, 06:42 AM
The same places I always have, reputable dealers and factory direct.

To many scammers on ebay and other auction sites. With all the chinese knock off gun parts and optics out there, I am very careful where I spend my money.

MountainPeak
August 4, 2007, 09:19 AM
I agree with 10 Ring TAO. Why would you want to support companies so blatantly anti-gun/2nd Amendment?

R.W.Dale
August 4, 2007, 10:23 AM
I really like auction arm's response to the e-bay debacle. But for me as a buyer and seller AA is a non player. Their page layout and software makes it impossible to find ANYTHING and their volume is pitiful. The search "encore barrel' gets a whopping 9 hits. The same search on e-bay gets 108 hits and you get 377 on gunbroker. Granted most of the listings on gunbroker are corporate listings from large retailers.

wheelgunslinger
August 4, 2007, 10:48 AM
Having just moved to a larger, more metropolitan area :barf: , I have a lot more options than I had previously with my local shop.

I'm going to keep my eyes peeled on the local classifieds and watch the forums for deals. I'm fed up with paypal too.

I may try some of the sites mentioned here, but generally, I'll keep it local.

tecrsq
August 5, 2007, 09:40 PM
All of the above as well as gun forums I frequent.

Bezoar
August 5, 2007, 11:11 PM
seriously if you really want that fancy holster, why not get it from the maker itself? If you get a lemon from the maker you have far more ease in getting the problem fixed then you do from the rip off auction websites.

esq_stu
August 5, 2007, 11:15 PM
"all of the above" should be a choice.

Also, for parts, google the parts - lots of vendors will come up.

357goBOOM
August 5, 2007, 11:23 PM
then sellers want 8 9 10 dollars for shipping, its rediculoius for shipping charges.

That is also what makes me bale out of midwayusa and cheaperthandirt and leave my shopping cart to rot in the cyber. They make up for their attractive prices by trying to gaff me with exorbitant shipping and "handling" fees.

357goBOOM
August 5, 2007, 11:26 PM
We have one particular gun shop with good prices. I prefer to check there first. Usually, they're the best deal since I'm not paying them to ship.

Glockman17366
August 5, 2007, 11:42 PM
I never used eBay for firearms related items anyway...so, no loss.
I'll use various firearms sites for ammo and accessories.
As far as firearms, I only buy locally.

jojosdad
August 6, 2007, 04:24 PM
Here's an alternative to the 3 choices - Proxibid. http://www.proxibid.com/asp/Home.asp
This site links you to a variety of auctions, and you can do a search to find firearms related ones. most apear to be real time bidding, but you can pre-bid to your maximum just like on ebay.
There's one on 8/27 that looks especially good http://www.proxibid.com/asp/catalog.asp?aid=8026
Check out the BBQ guns (#s 265-267)

America_without_liberals
August 7, 2007, 11:46 AM
Personally I feel that the choices you give are horrible.

I won't deal on auction arms because of something you may find stupid. It's due to their requirement of a phone number. I see this as information that they do not need and could be given to sellers as they need it.

As for gunbroker, I haven't found one item on there that isn't over list price from the start.

So I guess I'll continue to waste my time scouring the net for the good deal.

I find the ebay article very humorous. What could the guy have bought from there under their previous rules to use at VA Tech, a friggin holster?

ugaarguy
August 7, 2007, 02:17 PM
Personally I feel that the choices you give are horrible
So I guess I'll continue to waste my time scouring the net for the good deal.
So "Other - Please List" is a horrible poll option? Gotcha. If you don't buy online anyway why post here? If you do buy online, where do you prefer to buy? Please be civil, you've no need to be so rude when someone post a simple question which you don't even have to answer.

bwflorida
August 7, 2007, 03:03 PM
:fire: This is a quote from the eBay announcement that they are banning certain gun parts.

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"... some items purchased on eBay may have been used in the tragedy at Virginia Tech"
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Does anyone know if that VT nut actually bought anything on eBay, and what it was that he bought?

Obviously he didn't buy a gun on eBay, so what did he buy? A holster? A bicycle? A textbook?

I'd love to know if it really was an actual sale, or if eBay is just using the VT murders as an excuse for this ridiculous attempt at political correctness.

America_without_liberals
August 7, 2007, 04:03 PM
Sorry you took this a personal slam but I am just fed up with the sites above.

As for other sites, Aims Surplus comes to mind as being an honest well run, fair priced source.

Parts and ammo:
www.natchez.com
www.numrich.com or e-gunparts whatever they call themselves now.
www.sportsmansguide.com
www.cheaperthandirt.com
www.dansammo.com - Dan is local to me so :neener:

Wait for the next gun show to come around, visit a local shop. My point is shop around and know what you are doing before you impulse buy something. These guys will eventually have to pay their bills and thusly lower their prices to something sensible or go bankrupt.

I go to many local auctions and watch people spend more than twice of what a gun is worth. They have no idea what they are buying but because it's a firearm, it must be worth something.

Last fall in particular I went to one. Some guy bid a plain ordinary nothing special about it Winchester Model 94 up to $1300.00. :banghead: I was glad that I bought mine a couple months before Winchester stopped production for bargain at $200.

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