Airsoft and 'roaches?


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MicroBalrog
July 1, 2003, 06:01 PM
Now, here's the thing.
In Israel, you get big roaches. REAL BIG. 2-3 inches inside. Me and my Dad hate them and spray them when they show up, but Mom hates the spray smell.

Swatting 'em is not an option because:
a)I fell disgusted at the idea of touching them (EXTREME phobia)
b)They have reflexes like Bruce Lee.

Now, I could get an airsoft gun (most are illegal to import or sell, but not to possess, and there are lots of black-market imports). Should I get one? And which kind? :)

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Ian
July 1, 2003, 06:04 PM
IMO, you would be best served by getting an Airsoft replica of whatever pistol you carry, plan to carry, or just shoot the most. That way you can get the most out of any training you decide to do with it down the road. Other than that, just make sure to get a gas or electric one. The spring guns are crap.

willyjixx
July 1, 2003, 06:05 PM
m-16 w/ the M203 attachment.

might as well get use to it bal.

plus you got area suppression

MicroBalrog
July 1, 2003, 06:07 PM
IMO, you would be best served by getting an Airsoft replica of whatever pistol you carry, plan to carry, or just shoot the most. That way you can get the most out of any training you decide to do with it down the road. Other than that, just make sure to get a gas or electric one. The spring guns are crap.

Look, airsoft is banned from import as I mentioned. How do you think the Israeli government treats guns?

jsalcedo
July 1, 2003, 06:10 PM
Texas and Florida roaches can get can get big and nasty too.

Are pellet/dart guns forbidden as well?

The .17 caliber darts would work.

If not get a cat.

Archie
July 1, 2003, 06:12 PM
Are they considered in the same manner as airsofts?


I used to hunt bugs in the backyard with a Daisy CO200 pistol. Great training and lots of fun.

MicroBalrog
July 1, 2003, 06:12 PM
Pellet gun are actually harder to get, as they are legally firearms and can get you busted on illegal possession charge just as bad as if you were possessing a .50 DE.

I susspect a gas operate Airsoft would be good.

Oh, these 2-3 Giant Israeli Cockroaches have one super-nasty feature - they can FLY.

Steve Smith
July 1, 2003, 06:19 PM
I thought Isreal was gun nut heaven...apparently I was wrong...what's the story? (feel free to PM if you want to take it offline)

Erich
July 1, 2003, 06:24 PM
We used to do this in Albuquerque in a friend's backyard near the University in the late '80s. The Airsoft-type gun is ideal for cockroaches, and you can use the resultant piles of carcasses for bait - the roaches love to eat their own kind.

MicroBalrog
July 1, 2003, 06:26 PM
I thought Isreal was gun nut heaven...apparently I was wrong...what's the story? (feel free to PM if you want to take it offline)

PM'd you.

We used to do this in Albuquerque in a friend's backyard near the University in the late '80s. The Airsoft-type gun is ideal for cockroaches, and you can use the resultant piles of carcasses for bait - the roaches love to eat their own kind.

Anything I should know NOT to do when doing this?

Zer000
July 1, 2003, 07:51 PM
I've tried the airsoft roach hunting, but I found that I didn't care for exploded roach pieces lying all around my house. If that sort of thing doesn't bother you, go for it.

Thrash1982
July 3, 2003, 10:47 AM
Yeah, airsoft guns do wonders on bugs. Late one night I opened my window for some fresh air and a rather large cricket found its way into my room. Well, out came the airsoft pistol. I'll tell ya, a 6mm pellet traveling at 300 fps from a range of about 2-3 feet will do some serious damage to a cricket. Fun to shoot it but not fun to clean it up. Hopefully I managed to get all of its various parts.

Betty
July 3, 2003, 11:01 AM
If you're into bioweapons, I could let you borrow my tarantulas. :p

MicroBalrog
July 3, 2003, 11:12 AM
If you're into bioweapons, I could let you borrow my tarantulas.

Your tarantulas can't fly... can they..?

*shudders at the thought of flying tarantulas*

Betty
July 3, 2003, 11:38 AM
By air mail, yes they can fly.

I have one that can run upside-down on the ceiling and then jump a few feet and land comfortably on vertical plate glass - does that count?

A few months ago this enormous roach peered out at me from the air vent. (These huge guys come from the dumpster by the parking lot by our apts.) I swear the antennae on this thing were about three feet long. (Okay, slight exaggeration.) I screech for Oleg to GET IT OUT OF THERE because that's what a man is for, right? :p

Oleg decides it's .22 Colibri time. I decide to disappear and hide behind my tarantulas.

MicroBalrog
July 3, 2003, 11:41 AM
these 2-3 Inch Giant Israeli Cockroaches have one super-nasty feature - they can FLY

That's why I was asking about the tarantulas.

Glamdring
July 3, 2003, 12:21 PM
Runt: A few months ago this enormous roach peered out at me from the air vent. (These huge guys come from the dumpster by the parking lot by our apts.) I swear the antennae on this thing were about three feet long. (Okay, slight exaggeration.) I screech for Oleg to GET IT OUT OF THERE because that's what a man is for, right?

Oleg decides it's .22 Colibri time. I decide to disappear and hide behind my tarantulas.

So what happended? I haven't heard from Oleg for a bit :scrutiny:

Did he use enough gun???

Oleg Volk
July 3, 2003, 12:22 PM
Oleg decides it's .22 Colibri time.
That was for the mouse on the counter top. Roaches get stomped or slashed with your Japanese sword...and yes, I do wipe the blade clean afterwar...but that "bone" you mention to guests is really chitin.

MicroBalrog
July 3, 2003, 12:26 PM
That was for the mouse on the counter top

That was just cruel.:uhoh: Mice are cute and fluffy.

Oleg Volk
July 3, 2003, 12:32 PM
...cute and fluffy disease-carrying long-tailed cannibals (http://www.olegvolk.net/olegv/newsite/mice/mice.html).

Glamdring
July 3, 2003, 12:44 PM
Here is one of my stories
our house was invaded last night
http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=102508&highlight=squirrel+AND+shot
***
Oleg: So far I have used Pellet gun on mouse. I can never find pellets (I know where my real ammo is :D ) when I need them. So have used Pellet gun as impact weapon (butt stroke).
***
Back when I was in college that Pellet gun took many Grasshoppers. Most were clean one shot kills to the head. Body shots don't work so well.

Tamara
July 3, 2003, 12:51 PM
Mice are cute and fluffy.

Cute and fluffy pet food. :D



I used to stalk cave crickets in my parent's basement with my AirSofts. You have to be careful, though; sometimes they charge when they're wounded... ;)

MicroBalrog
July 3, 2003, 12:51 PM
Call me a sentimental urban bunny-hugger, but I'm against killing little-cute-fluffy things.

Tamara
July 3, 2003, 12:56 PM
I don't kill them; I feed them to my snake. :cool:

Richardson
July 3, 2003, 01:05 PM
Squashing or splattering roaches may not be a good way to get rid of them. If the female has eggs, they will survive and hatch. Once you've squashed a roach, you need to clean the goop up with soapy water to prevent eggs from hatching.

Richardson

Dave R
July 3, 2003, 01:13 PM
Not as much fun as Airsoft, but when I lived in Florida I found the best way to keep your house roach-free was to catch a couple of lizards and turn 'em loose in the house. We rarely saw the lizards, and never saw another roach. I am not exaggerating.

MicroBalrog
July 3, 2003, 01:20 PM
Found this on an airsoft site.
Imagine hunting 'roaches with it.
http://rivendell.tky.hut.fi/ilendil/airsoft/M4_M203_c2.gif

Snowdog
July 3, 2003, 01:41 PM
I'd recommend the M11 option. Mine fires 1100+ pellets a minute and is high quality compared to many other Airsoft. A 50rnd mag with 20 pellets a second at 300+ FPS...if you miss, it's your own fault.

The only thing I'd warn you about is ricochet. You hit something solid, and many of those pellets that don't shatter will most unpleasantly be coming back your way.

Skunkabilly
July 3, 2003, 01:48 PM
1. Dust off and nuke the site from orbit.
2. I say we nerve gas the whole complex.
3. Airsoft. Remember, short, controlled bursts.

I'd do the nerve gas. Done the airsoft thing, too much mess. Pieces of roach literally fly across the room.

MicroBalrog
July 3, 2003, 01:52 PM
Airsoft. Remember, short, controlled bursts

So basically grabbing an Airsoft M-60, and filling the room with 600 pellets a minute, while laughing maniacally and shouting: "DIE, SCUMBAG!" is a bad idea?:rolleyes:

Skunkabilly
July 3, 2003, 02:02 PM
The M134 didn't look like a bad deal :p

Betty
July 3, 2003, 02:10 PM
http://images.allposters.com/images/72/039_43171.jpg

dleong
July 3, 2003, 02:36 PM
No Gamera-sized roaches in my house, but I do encounter the occasional quarter-inch "roachlet" scampering across the linoleum next to the patio door. If I happen to be reloading some large-caliber pistol rounds like the 44Mag or 45ACP at the time, I'll stun of few of them with a quick whack from a rolled-up periodical, then drop them into the case on top of the powder before seating the bullet.

I do notice a tad more muzzle flash when shooting the "insectified" reloads.

DL

SkunkApe
July 3, 2003, 02:49 PM
No Gamera-sized roaches in my house, but I do encounter the occasional quarter-inch "roachlet" scampering across the linoleum next to the patio door. If I happen to be reloading some large-caliber pistol rounds like the 44Mag or 45ACP at the time, I'll stun of few of them with a quick whack from a rolled-up periodical, then drop them into the case on top of the powder before seating the bullet. I do notice a tad more muzzle flash when shooting the "insectified" reloads.
-dleaong

I laughed sorry hard that I cried when I read that.

St. Gunner
July 3, 2003, 03:19 PM
A few years ago the wife and I moved from a small rent house in the country, it was not well sealed and the mice would come in. I spent many an evening with a daisy red ryder shooting them as they ran across the floor. So we moved shortly because of this and rented a trailer on the outskirts of town. After about a week I started hearing noises at night. So Assuming it was mice I set a trap, I never found the trap again. Set a rat trap, it to was carried away, I found it near a hole chewed in the wall about 50' from where I set it. So one night I hear noise in the trash, run out just in time to see the trash can fall over and this huge pear rat take off(Big Blue rats that live in cactus bushes and weigh up to a couple pounds." We had a standoff, I went for a knife and he went back out the hole where I found the trap and had sealed back up, he'd chewed it out again. So I declared war, I went to the back reloading room, jerked the bullets out of some .22's and some of the powder, loaded the case full of wax. The next night I laid in wait for the little vermin with a .22 revolver stuffed full of these things. I had left the hole open and sure enough, out he came and smack, I nailed him from a range of about 3'. He turned and Ihad to shoot him again before he got in the hole. Perfect home performance, entry but no exit wound. I carried him outside and when I came back, another was sitting on the counter looking at me, I fired the remaining four rds and finally got him killed. I plugged the hole again and never had any more visitors.


MicroBalrog, would it be possible for you to make a new post about the gun laws in Israel? I had no idea, I thought every home was well armed in that place. I'd really appreciate the info.

Glamdring
July 3, 2003, 05:19 PM
Hmm...Tam feeds the mice to her snake.

Wonder what Runt feeds to the spiders?
***

LMAO

Lord Grey Boots
July 3, 2003, 06:46 PM
Tamara says: I don't kill them; I feed them to my snake

Reason # 325 not to break into Tamara's place....

bokchoi
July 4, 2003, 03:02 AM
I am deftly afraid of large insects; when I was in Hong Kong, I had the luxury and misfortune of encountering a large roach in the apartment while armed with a fully-automatic Glock 18 Airsoft... in a fit of panic, a full magazine of 30 plastic bbs was distributed evenly into every nook and cranny of the room as they ricocheted off the tile floor everywhere but where the roach was sitting.

I've since learned that birdshot has its uses.

Glamdring
July 4, 2003, 03:56 AM
Remember, "Front sight, trigger, press."

Spraying works better with flame throwers or nerv gas (Raid bug spray).

Hand_Rifle_Guy
July 4, 2003, 11:09 PM
Ok, you people need to know about something I first read about in a gunrag.

'Scalled "Bugshot".

1.) Start with a STAINLESS .22, or you have to be religious about cleaning.

2.) SAFETY GLASSES. This is STUPID. (But it works.)


Pull bullets on some .22 rimfires. save powder and set aside. Brand matters, I had old Federal .22 Longs that worked, but Remington Thunderbolts didn't.

Take a spent case, cut it off, and file down to about 1/8" OAL. Stick it to a small stick. This is your powder dipper.

Take an empty, unfired case, and charge it it with one scoop of saved powder. Top with a tight-fitting card wad. Something a bit thicker than heavy tagboard. Didn't think of wax here when I did it.

STUPID PART: pack it down tight. I used a bamboo skewer. In a LIVE rimfire case. I said it was STUPID, but I never set one off. Naytheless, I never looked down on it either. Kept all parts of my anatomy well out of alignment with the open end whilst packing in. It seemed neccessary, as un-packed loads failed to ignite the powder charge.

Fill case with coarsest available table salt. Top with another cardwad. Done.

Out of a single shot rifle, these went off quieter than a capgun. Kind of a cross between a "Thwack!" and a "Splat!". Pattern at across-the-room range was about 8", with dispersion space of about 3/8" between crystals, quite even. Penetration at same range was handily through a piece of notebook paper. Closer range made smaller, ragged holes and a puff of paper dust.

These things are DEVASTATING on wasps. Crystals typically penetrate completely, with no damage to paint or walls provided you don't shoot directly at the surface at close range. Mosquito Hawks at 6-ish feet were smashed, with broken legs, oozing bodies and perforated wings. It didn't splatter the bugs unless you were too close, in which case it'd be like swatting a dove with a full-choked 12-guage load of birdshot at minimal range.

I had so much fun with these I ran out of targets. The neighbors knew nothing. Salt sweeps up easily, but it rusts guns FAST. (Hence the stainless advisory.) Houseplants don't like it much either, so rinse 'em off or find little dead spots on leaves later.

I first read about these in the context of a guy who was shooting mosquitoes with his Ruger Mk II on a boat. His buddy's anti-gun girlfriend had IMMENSE fun stalking mosquitoes all over the boat for the whole night once she saw what was going on. Result: one ex-antigunner, numerous vaporized mosquitoes.

The hard part is developing a load that insures consistent powder ignition. Thunderbolts WOULD NOT ignite the powder, no matter what I tried. Primer-only power in rimfires is too weak to shove a salt-collumn fast enough to do anything other than dribble out of the barrel, hence the neccessity of the stupid bit above..

I haven't tried this with centerfires, but it oughta work, probably with primers only. You'd just need to dial the shotload to where it'd work well, and an entire centerfire case fulla salt might be a bit much. Handgun or rifle probably won't make a whole lot of difference either.

Sugar instead of salt might work also, as a non-corrosive alternative. Dunno if I'd want to be sweet on roaches, though.

Remember, I said it was STUPID to reload rimfires like this. It's probably quite dangerous. It merits further investigation and research, particularly on the centerfire applications.

As an addtional point of stupidity, this is the only reloading I've ever done. Using a different type of powder than what I pulled from the rounds might work better, but I didn't have any variety at the time. All the same, I used up 5-6 boxes of old Federal .22 Longs that I got from my grandmother after my grandfather died.

But beware. It's addictingly fun. :evil:

MicroBalrog
July 5, 2003, 07:03 AM
But beware. It's addictingly fun.

WHY did my government have to ban .22 rifles?:fire: :D

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