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Fat_46
August 1, 2007, 10:11 AM
Not unexpected, but disheartening nonetheless...

http://www.natchezss.com/customerService.cfm?contentID=manuIncrease&src=BA481

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Neo-Luddite
August 1, 2007, 10:16 AM
I like hard evidence so I can justify the credit card use to my Mrs.

She's not unreasonable, but she requires hard data--thanks.

TexKettering
August 1, 2007, 10:23 AM
Did you read the factory letters in that link?

esheato
August 1, 2007, 10:32 AM
Wonderful....

Ed

strat81
August 1, 2007, 10:33 AM
Yuck, even components are going up.

Any word on powder and primers from some of the other companies?

armoredman
August 1, 2007, 10:33 AM
Yes. The Remington and Winchester letter looked like the same person wrote them...
I gotta stock up. Dadgum it, always when I am low on funds!:fire::what:

fletcher
August 1, 2007, 10:34 AM
I always stick with Wolf for plinking (I'm cheap) anyways, but this will definitely make practicing with carry ammo and shooting .22 more expensive :(

Those are pretty big increases.


For easy reference:

Winchester:
Lead Shotshells +15%
Steel Shotshells +10%
Centerfire Rifle +15%
Centerfire Handgun +12%
Rimfire +15%
Component Bullets +10%
Component Shellcases, Primers, and Wads +5%

CCI / Federal:
+15% to all ammunition
+25% on select .223

Remington:
Promotional Shotshell Loads (including Shurshot) +15%
All Shotshell Target Loads +15%
All Other Lead Shotshells +10%
All Promotional 22 Rimfire Ammunition +15%
All Other Rimfire Ammunition (including 22 Magnum & 17 HMR) +10%
All UMC P&R Ammunition +5%
All UMC Rifle Ammunition +15%
All Remingtom Brand Centerfire Ammunition (including Premier) + 5%
Component Bullets +10%
All other Ammunition Components +5%

We anticipate the need to implement an additional 12% across the board increase on all ammunition and components effective January 1, 2008.

Shadowangel
August 1, 2007, 11:34 AM
Ugh.

bakert
August 1, 2007, 11:39 AM
Cast bullets have really made a big jump since last month at both Midway and Cabelas. Haven't checked brass yet but would bet it's up more too. Kinda rough on us poorer shooters.:(

Essex County
August 1, 2007, 12:21 PM
It has never been cheap. I used to shoot a lot of home cast .30 caliber bullets over efficent powders. One hundred rounds of common brass ( '06, .308 ) will last You a long time. Don't give up the ship! Essex

zinj
August 1, 2007, 12:23 PM
When will this madness stop?

Chrome
August 1, 2007, 12:24 PM
You can thank the war for this. Simple supply and demand. Problem is, even after the war goes away, the cost increase won't. By that time we will have sucked up the cost and demand will resume.

Later,
Chrome...

TexKettering
August 1, 2007, 12:35 PM
More incentive to start reloading. :D

Shadowangel
August 1, 2007, 01:01 PM
Reloading materials are going up as well..

Prince Yamato
August 1, 2007, 01:11 PM
Buy foreign...

GTSteve03
August 1, 2007, 01:50 PM
Buy foreign...
Weak dollar = higher prices on imports.

You get screwed no matter which way you turn. Thankfully wages are rising just as fast, right...?

:banghead:

sacp81170a
August 1, 2007, 02:11 PM
Stock up on bullets, primers and powder now!

damien
August 1, 2007, 02:18 PM
If I turn in an old car battery for lead, will they give me a discount?

CDignition
August 1, 2007, 02:21 PM
lol.. you guys dont knw what expensive hobbies are if you think this is "big bucks"... its nothing. If you cant justify it, reload..if you cant justify that, do something else.

glockman19
August 1, 2007, 02:24 PM
Well that got me to order another 400 rounds. It's still cheaper than skiing.

GTSteve03
August 1, 2007, 02:28 PM
lol.. you guys dont knw what expensive hobbies are if you think this is "big bucks"... its nothing. If you cant justify it, reload..if you cant justify that, do something else.
How many of your hobbies have had consumable items increase in price over 100% in the past 2 years? Sure, a box of WWB 9mm going from $8 to $16 may not seem like a lot, but multiply that out per range session per month, and to someone who doesn't have a whole lot of free cash (considering they have mortgage, car, student loan, internet payments) it adds up.

kellyj00
August 1, 2007, 02:31 PM
funny, this is the only place I've heard of it.
me thinks maybe it's a gimmick to get some quick revenue before sept. 1.

Either way, stock up...can't hurt anything to get yours now before the demand drops and prices fall.

kellyj00
August 1, 2007, 02:41 PM
The winchester one is dated June 29,2007. And isn't signed. It is however, scanned it. So, whoever got it got an unsigned copy.

Remington's is from July 3.

never heard of Natchezss.com, I wonder why they're the only ones who get this information. It's not fair that the biggest ammo distributors aren't sharing this SALES DRIVING information with us, the consumer. If they did, they would make more money by everyone stocking up this month.

Here's something notable...
http://www.atk.com/Customer_Solutions_AmmunitionSystems/cs_as_ma_sc.asp
"In the last four years, we have quadrupled production and reduced the price of each round of ammunition, saving taxpayers $300 million during the first half of our 10-year contract. "

There is nothing, on either Winchester's News section, or ATK's small caliber section to support the documents shared by the www.natchezss.com website.

EricTheBarbarian
August 1, 2007, 02:45 PM
If I turn in an old car battery for lead, will they give me a discount?
well you can sell an old car battery and its worth about $1.00 and in some places Ive seen them go for as much as $3.00. most scrap metal recyclers take car batteries. Scrap lead sells for .20/lb and brass can range from 1.25-1.75/lb. I know this because I make my living selling scrap metal. These are the current average prices in ohio but may vary depending on where you live. dont expect recycling more to drop ammo prices:cool:, but it may give you some extra cash to buy ammo however.

CDignition
August 1, 2007, 02:47 PM
So, you're not complaining about the Price, per say, just the Increase??.. It was stupid cheap before, and is just now starting to catch up to Inflation(kinda like gas prices)...

Try Dragracing a high 7 Second car for one year...or anything to do with owning an airplane...or a good size boat(30' and up).. this is nothing...

But Internet is free... so you can pretend to shoot and tell us how you did right here. We wont know.

How many of your hobbies have had consumable items increase in price over 100% in the past 2 years? Sure, a box of WWB 9mm going from $8 to $16 may not seem like a lot, but multiply that out per range session per month, and to someone who doesn't have a whole lot of free cash (considering they have mortgage, car, student loan, internet payments) it adds up.

Owen
August 1, 2007, 02:52 PM
the war is only half of it. The other half is that comoddity prices are out of control.

10 Ring Tao
August 1, 2007, 03:05 PM
Hopefully peace time will bring some relief for the military calibers.

GTSteve03
August 1, 2007, 03:37 PM
Try Dragracing a high 7 Second car for one year...or anything to do with owning an airplane...or a good size boat(30' and up).. this is nothing...
Drag racing, airplanes and yachting are your examples of the kinds of hobbies the common guy does? The common guy sure is making a lot more money than I am. :rolleyes:

And what, besides fuel, has gone up for these hobbies over 100% in price?

Ala Dan
August 1, 2007, 04:48 PM
Natchez refuses too ship to Alabama, so I have little use for their company.:(

ny32182
August 1, 2007, 06:08 PM
So, you're not complaining about the Price, per say, just the Increase??.. It was stupid cheap before, and is just now starting to catch up to Inflation(kinda like gas prices)...

Try Dragracing a high 7 Second car for one year...or anything to do with owning an airplane...or a good size boat(30' and up).. this is nothing...

But Internet is free... so you can pretend to shoot and tell us how you did right here. We wont know.

I drive an '04 H2, which is the same as a Tahoe except for

- the drivetrain
- the frame
- the body & styling & interior
- the tires, lockers & TCS
- the clean underbody & skidders

I think they have the same air conditioner, though.

We get it... you're rich and enjoy drawing as much attention as possible to that fact wherever you go.

To many of us mere mortals out there though, the price of ammo is actually a contributing factor in how much we can buy. Shocking.

The more you know...

mtnbkr
August 1, 2007, 06:27 PM
I stopped having a use for Natchez when they charged me for a box of bullets, but shipped one single bullet. When I called to let them know of the error, they claimed I ordered a single bullet. :cuss:

Chris

Danus ex
August 1, 2007, 06:52 PM
Anyone know if new copper or lead mines are being opened (or old ones being reopened)? As far as I know, large-scale mining in the United States went belly-up before we could really plunder the landscape for all it had.

R.W.Dale
August 1, 2007, 06:54 PM
Shooting and reloading is by far the CHEAPEST hobby I've had. In case you under a rock types haven't noticed a gallon of milk now cost's over $4 and a quart of name brand motor oil is over $3 This is the first real price increase since I started shooting 7yrs ago I wish prices of other items I buy were so stable.



But hey why not try to fit in.


The sky is falling the sky is falling!

JLelli
August 1, 2007, 07:12 PM
When will this madness stop?

When the global economy slows down, and demand for metals falls. The only problem there, is that when the economy slows, wages tend to fall, so your position hasn't really gained.

JLelli
August 1, 2007, 07:26 PM
Anyone know if new copper or lead mines are being opened (or old ones being reopened)? As far as I know, large-scale mining in the United States went belly-up before we could really plunder the landscape for all it had.

I know that there is still a ****load of copper underneath Michigan's Upper Peninsula (once the world's richest copper-mining region), but the collapse in the price of copper a few decades ago, driven by low-cost open-pit mining operations out west and in foreign countries, caused all the mines to close (the last copper mine in Michigan closed in 1995). Now, economics dictate that, when the price of copper goes high enough, these mines will re-open, but new mining regs put in place by Jenny Granholm ("blowing away" Michigan since 2002) make it all but impossible to open new mines.

JLelli
August 1, 2007, 07:28 PM
Shooting and reloading is by far the CHEAPEST hobby I've had. In case you under a rock types haven't noticed a gallon of milk now cost's over $4 and a quart of name brand motor oil is over $3 This is the first real price increase since I started shooting 7yrs ago I wish prices of other items I buy were so stable.



But hey why not try to fit in.


The sky is falling the sky is falling!

This is by no means the first price increase in seven years. Heck, just two years ago you could still get 1,000 rounds of 7.62x39 for under $100, and I have the Cabela's catalgue to prove it.

CDignition
August 1, 2007, 07:55 PM
lol.. too funny... I'm far from rich, but own my home outright, have no CC debt, and my wife works 2 days a week.

Thing is most of you complainers are younger types(mid 20's) that think the world is owed to you.. I sacrificed my ass off and paid my home off in 6 years...I didn't do ANY shooting or anything else in those 6 years(Except work 60 Hrs a week).. now I can, and do other things as well...with no $$$ worries for a hobby.

And as far as Dragracing goes(What I used to do) VP C16 is now over $12 a gallon...It was less than 6 when I was active(2003).

I DO like my H2 tho..:D

BamBam-31
August 1, 2007, 08:06 PM
Try Dragracing a high 7 Second car for one year...or anything to do with owning an airplane...or a good size boat(30' and up).. this is nothing...

But Internet is free... so you can pretend to shoot and tell us how you did right here. We wont know.


That's nothing....try acquiring a year's supply of matter-antimatter for a transwarp drive....or anything to do with a flux capacitor....or a good sized teleportation device (20 parsecs and up)....this is nothing...

But Internet is free...so you can floss all you want right here. We wont know. :rolleyes:

Next time, try adding something of value to the discussion, eh?

For the more common Joe's that shoot regularly, having ammo prices increase the way they have is like having gas prices go from $3.00 a gallon to $4.50 a gallon. (AE 9mm went from $6.00 to $9.00 a box.) Will that stop me from driving or shooting? No, but it does make enough of a dent that my future purchases will be made with mileage/caliber in mind. It's definitely a consideration, and it has nothing to do with me thinking "the world owes me."

Last week, our local range was only about half full. I said to the Range Manager, "Slow day today, eh?" He said, "Before, people used to come in, buy $50 in ammo, and shoot all day. Now, they buy $50 in ammo, shoot it up by 1:00pm, then go home. The rise in turnover here is a direct result of the spike in ammo prices." That's NOT nothing.

CDignition
August 1, 2007, 08:17 PM
"More Common Joe's".. is that lowbrow speak for Burger Flipper at Mc D's?? Get a real job,lol.

SaMx
August 1, 2007, 08:29 PM
"More Common Joe's".. is that lowbrow speak for Burger Flipper at Mc D's?? Get a real job,lol.

Next time, try adding something of value to the discussion, eh?

joe4702
August 1, 2007, 08:32 PM
I recently got out of motorcycling. Once reason was between gas and ammo prices, something had to give. Two expensive hobbies was too much. I'll never give up shooting, so out went the bike.

BamBam-31
August 1, 2007, 08:37 PM
"More Common Joe's".. is that lowbrow speak for Burger Flipper at Mc D's?? Get a real job,lol.

My net worth is such that I don't really need a job. For all intents and purposes, I'm retired at 35. I just don't feel the need to compensate for something by rubbing other people's noses in it. And you? Why do you feel the need to hijack the OP's thread to talk about you, you, you? :rolleyes:

The topic at hand is inflation of ammo prices. Either add to it, or leave.

And buy some people skills if you can afford them.

budney
August 1, 2007, 08:42 PM
the war is only half of it. The other half is that comoddity prices are out of control.

The war is certainly taking its toll. In Vietnam, an estimated 50,000 rounds were fired per enemy killed. I found that astonishing, but one estimate says that in Iraq something like 250,000 rounds (http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/article314944.ece) are fired per enemy killed. That's gotta put a dent in the ammo market.

--Len.

Oohrah
August 1, 2007, 08:52 PM
Yep, wonder if replacing AKs with M4's and ammo to our friendly
Iraqis have anything to do with shortages and price increases.
Lets see, we get to pay for the above and deal with a dryed up
source. Then we get to deal with increased prices. Isn't sharing
great?:cuss:

lee n. field
August 1, 2007, 09:31 PM
Hopefully peace time will bring some relief for the military calibers.


And that will be when?

Cast bullets have really made a big jump since last month at both Midway and Cabelas. Haven't checked brass yet but would bet it's up more too. Kinda rough on us poorer shooters.

I decided a couple weeks ago that it was high time to get into casting. Equipment is making it's way here as we speak. Yes I have a source for lead.

ptmmatssc
August 1, 2007, 09:34 PM
"More Common Joe's".. is that lowbrow speak for Burger Flipper at Mc D's?? Get a real job,lol.

Not very "high road" . The good paying trades that supported the "common man" in my area have all left the country and the preponderance of the jobs here now are service industry , to serve those that sold out their fellow man . Btw , every job is a "real job" . The world needs ditch diggers more than they need pompous fat cats .

Now as far as ammo prices go , it sucks , but people buying as much as they can to stockpile only exasperates the situation by creating that much more demand . People buying enough to last the next 20 years or buying by the pallet are only driving the price up . People running out and emptying the shelves any time there is an increase in price only pushes the supply and demand aspect to fruition . Top all that off with the increase in metal prices/fuel cost/war/greed , and you get the increases we are seeing today .

As for me , i now buy 1/4 more than I plan on shooting at the range ( excluding milsurp tins) . I've got enough ammo to keep me shooting for a few years , but have been slowly adding to the cache over time . I could probably buy a lot more , but I don't want to be "that guy" that keeps a fellow shooter from being able to enjoy the sport .

CTPistol
August 1, 2007, 09:38 PM
drive an H2 huh?

no kidding - we would have never guessed....

:rolleyes:


:barf:



reloading does save a bundle - and its a great way to avoid Walmart or huge shipping costs and delays (try finding reasonable .223)
Just be sure your investments are in materials also - if you gotta spend more you better be making more!

Mantua
August 1, 2007, 09:40 PM
"More Common Joe's".. is that lowbrow speak for Burger Flipper at Mc D's?? Get a real job, lol.

Funny, that is my real job. I really work there. It REALLY buys my ammo. lolol!!11
Wicked funny, guy.

Anyway, I don't complain about the price of ammo any more often than I complain about the price of gas. I'm still gonna drive (to Mc D's, lol), and I'm still gonna shoot. More reason to reload, I suppose.

Redneck with a 40
August 1, 2007, 10:31 PM
Even with the component cost increase, I can still load for my XD-40 for 13 cents/round and my 357 magnum will be 14 cents/round. I can still afford to shoot quite a bit at that price, reloading is my salvation.:D:neener:

Since I beat the price increase on my last batch of components, my current ammo cost for 40 S&W is 11 cents/round and my 357 mag is running 13 cents/round. 40 S&W = $5.50/50, 357 mag = $6.50/50.:D

Ukraine Train
August 1, 2007, 11:05 PM
How much ammunition is actually being used in Iraq? I bet the amount of lead, brass, and copper that goes over there is a drop in the bucket compared to the demand in developing Asian countries.

Trebor
August 1, 2007, 11:41 PM
How much ammunition is actually being used in Iraq?

Ammo use in war time is much, much greater then in peace time. In addition to actual combat ops, there is also much more ammo expended in training due to the higher tempo of training as well.

EricTheBarbarian
August 2, 2007, 09:31 AM
I know that there is still a ****load of copper underneath Michigan's Upper Peninsula

The way I understand it, rapidly growing countries such as China are raising the prices of metals. China is a large importer of metals from the US and they are what is driving the price up, their demand. China and Japan need materials to produce the large amount of goods they export to the US and elsewhere. Japan is an island country and gets the majority of their raw materials from outside sources. There is plenty of copper to go around and I believe I have heard sources that say about 2/3 of all of the copper ever mined is still in circulation through recycling. Copper is a main component of manufacturing brass if you are wondering how its related to ammo aside from copper jackets. recycling is far more cost effective for metals than mining for new metal. At one time however in the early 90s russia could produce new steel cheaper than the united states could recycle their own, and that is one of the reasons most steel companies have went belly up, in ohio anyways. I would think the Army would have had large stockpiles of .223 in case a war or something happens since we have been using that caliber for almost 50 yrs rather than needing a bunch of newly produced ammo when something happens.
The best deal I have found on ammo is the bulgarian surplus 762x54r. I bought tins of 330 rounds for about 30 dollars. When i shot all the rounds I saved the brass eventhough it isnt good for reloading. On $30 worth of ammo I got a return of $10 worth of scrap brass so it ended up costing me only $20 to shoot 330 rounds. Rising prices now dont really effect me so much however, from reading posts on here it has convinced me into keep a large stockpile of ammo incase zombies attack and/or guns and ammo are outlawed.

xsquidgator
August 2, 2007, 10:13 AM
I work in medical radiation physics, and this topic of metal scarcity came up at a recent short course I took. We typically shield certain radiation treatment room walls with up to an inch or two of lead (do the math, it's a LOT of lead!) and some of the construction contractors were commenting on lead prices. I think last week one said lead was up to $1.70 something a pound, when it had typically been in 30 cents per pound range only a couple of years ago. Not getting any better in the near future either. According to this speaker we had, most lead you or I buy is recycled from somewhere else as lead mining worldwide is down. Biggest sources of mined lead were Australia and China; Australia pretty much shut down their lead mines a few years ago for some reason, and China is still mining lead but is keeping a lot more of it for their domestic industries instead of putting it on the market.

For shielding purposes, concrete looks better all the time, provided there's room for a foot or two of concrete shielding instead of an inch of lead.

Made me think though, hmm, we do have some lead bricks lying around, hmm, if I were to buy the gear for casting that's a LOT of bullets! Hmmm...

Prince Yamato
August 3, 2007, 08:27 PM
Can't we just make PLASTIC bullets?

redneck2
August 3, 2007, 09:11 PM
What I heard at a recent sales meeting......

A majority of the world's copper is mined in Chile. Supposedly China has a 15 year deal to buy 100% of their production.

At least some mines in the US switch back and forth between between products produced. For example, some of the mines in Colorado produce molybdenum, copper, gold, etc. They set up for a certain product and run that, then switch off when the prices change. Look at the write ups on mining companies. They never just mine one thing, so I suspect it's true.

Anyway, the Corporation I work for does a lot of business overseas and China is sucking up everything like a vacuum cleaner. It isn't just metals. Polymers for plastic, waste water, and paints are also in short supply.

And, as already stated, environmental laws shut down our domestic production, then we wonder why we don't have anything. The BP refinery in Whiting, IN wants to raise the amount of ammonia they discharge due to the lower grade of crude oil. The proposed discharge is lower than the latest (stricter) limits, but the politicians are having a field day.

You have a choice. Allow industrial production or do without. Can't have both. That's the reason most stuff is coming in from China and Mexico. Less regulations to deal with.

You can bitch and whine all you want about ammo production, but I suspect it's a drop in the bucket compared to industrial production, and industrial production is what China and Mexico are into.

James T Thomas
August 3, 2007, 10:41 PM
Don't tell me you THR sophisicates are going to listen to "chicken little!"

Haven't you read about who is lurking here, all the time, on THR?

You should learn to recognize the shrill a frightened voice by now.

Caimlas
August 4, 2007, 01:28 AM
The situation won't change as long as we have self-inflating currencies backed by nothing. Such things are bound to happen indefinitely, regardless of world affairs.

"More Common Joe's".. is that lowbrow speak for Burger Flipper at Mc D's?? Get a real job,lol.

Seriously, that's not nice, nor is it too intelligent.

Someone making $40k a year with a family (that is, wife and children) and a mortgage doesn't have much expendable income. It's different if you've got no kids, and even more different if you're single. $40k is about the median wage in America, so it's safe to assume that there are a lot of shooters in a similar situation.

$40k a year is $3333 or so a year before taxes, maybe $2500 after taxes if a person is fortunate. For a family of four, you're lucky to get insurance for $500 a month, a medium 3- or 4-bedroom house for $700, (non-restraunt) food for $500, utilities for $400 (water, electricity, heat, internet - cable, if you do that kind of thing), and vehicles and various other expenses for $200-500 (depending on how much you drive and whether you own the vehicle). Then you've got things like clothes, various 'kid' expenses, and what have you - maybe $100-200 a month.

So, on the conservative side of things, you're looking at $2400 a month in expenses - and that's not considering a cent for incidental costs, savings, investments, or what have you. So yeah, these ammo costs hit people pretty hard. (Think: people who are making $15/hour with a college degree who get to shoot maybe once a month because of an extra $200+ in college loans to pay back.)

Personally, I'm going to try and deal with the high price problem by getting as many .22lr rifles, pistols and/or conversions as I have and using them more exclusively at the range. I'm also going to start reloading so I can focus more on accurate shooting (because I can already shoot well enough that the variance in commercial ammo doesn't allow me to improve). It's very easy to go through 300-400 rounds at the range every week or every other week with a pistol, so I imagine a .22lr 1911 would be preferable, in terms of cost. I'll still get the trigger time that gives experience and reflex, even if I'm not 100% intune with the recoil...

ruthless
August 8, 2007, 08:54 PM
It didn't bother me so much when the firearms themselves went up. We already have more than we know what to do with. But, darn, this hurts. Hubby and I are both shooters. About the only other interest we have is the tv. I think we've been shot were we live.

ruthless
August 8, 2007, 08:55 PM
:uhoh:It didn't bother me so much when the firearms themselves went up. We already have more than we know what to do with. But, darn, this hurts. Hubby and I are both shooters. About the only other interest we have is the tv. I think we've been shot were we live. Hot Springs AR

Outlaws
August 8, 2007, 09:25 PM
lol.. too funny... I'm far from rich, but own my home outright, have no CC debt, and my wife works 2 days a week.

Thing is most of you complainers are younger types(mid 20's) that think the world is owed to you.. I sacrificed my ass off and paid my home off in 6 years...I didn't do ANY shooting or anything else in those 6 years(Except work 60 Hrs a week).. now I can, and do other things as well...with no $$$ worries for a hobby.

And as far as Dragracing goes(What I used to do) VP C16 is now over $12 a gallon...It was less than 6 when I was active(2003).

I DO like my H2 tho..
I take it you don't have a wife and kids...

You paid off a home in 6 years and only work 60 hours a week? Thats not "normal". I doubt you turn wrenches or work in a factory. Probably a tech job or something else office related. I am sure at the end of the year you have pulled no less than $120k+ to afford an H2 and a home in only 6 years. And for the record, paying off a $250,000 home in 6 years with NO interest is $3472.22 a month. :what: Lets knock that down to $2777.77 if you put $50k on it from the get go. But I don't get the impression you would buy a $250k home.

I am sorry, but your last 3 posts I read said nothing but, "shooting is my cheapest hobby, outside of counting my money." After your mortgage, H2 payment, and your drag racing hobby....I don't think things add up...except maybe that fat paycheck that is well above "average".

Shooting probably is cheap to you. You can take your "real job" and shove it. Yes, you offended me greatly with that post. I am not a supporter of class war, but I am not a supporter of rubbing stuff in peoples faces either. You don't have to think the world is owed to you because you can't afford a yacht or plane and you mention to someone who thinks its normal that the average Americans doesn't own those things.

hankdatank1362
August 9, 2007, 12:44 AM
I learned a long time ago that money means nothing in the grand scheme of things. Hell, one of the richest men I knew drove an old F-100 (yes, I said one-hundred), wore tattered overalls, and was worth tens of millions. Kept Thousands in cash on him at all times, in a Taylor's Pride Pouch.

I go to school and so does my wife, full time. I bartend. She's a nurse's aid / phlebotomist. I hope to be LEO, she hopes to be a nurse. I bust my tail so that our doublewide and cars are paid for. Yes, paid off. It ain't much, but it's paid for. Between that, bills, and putting food on the table and diapers on my boy, it gets expensive. Enough so that the rising cost of my one and pretty much only hobby (shooting) becomes rather prohibitive.



But, you know what, Mr. Drag racing, Robb Report reading, H2 driver? I'm still not too poor to buy you a drink. So here's a tall glass of STFU, on me. Hell, make it a double. Put it on my tab.



You big baller you. :barf:

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