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kmrcstintn
August 1, 2007, 07:04 PM
I've been seeing more and more postings about the Marlin 1894C lever action rifles in .357 magnum; how about we claim our own territory before the real estate runs dry!!! I guess that I'll start...sorry no pics since I do not have a digital camera...

I picked mine up at a local shop called Shyda's in Lebanon County, PA; I payed $445 + tax & PICS; I recently replaced the factory sights with a set of Williams Firesights for Lever Action Rifles; Firesights are Williams version of day glow sights; the ability to hone in on target is greatly improved over the blued factory sights, especially against dark backgrounds...

I have shot a variety of different brands and weights of .357 magnum and .38 spl cartridges; very little recoil, great accuracy, and the ability to shoot the same ammo as my .38 spl and .357 magnum revolvers make this a fun rifle that is a HOOT to SHOOT;

I bought mine to make a handgun/carbine combo and truly enjoy using it; mostly it is a plinker that moonlights for occasional home defense, hunting camp defense, and might be used by a family member for a deer rifle out to 50 yards open sights and 75 yards with optic magnification;

enough about me...who's next?!?

* I had an 'enlightened moment' after reading one of the responses and realized that I excluded too many folks by only wanting 1894C owners at first; if you have any variant of Marlin 1894/1895...welcome aboard! Kudos to Glockman19 for the idea...THANK YOU!!!

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pbhome71
August 1, 2007, 07:12 PM
Marlin 1894 - Big5 edition. This is the one with 18.5" barrel, and beech/birch stock without checkering. Paid $325+tax+fee last year.

Usually fed it with 158gr LRNFP over 6gr of Uniq. No picture either. Will try to get one later on.

RH822
August 1, 2007, 08:57 PM
61710

61711

Here's mine, paid $200.00 at Wal-Mart in 1985. Same gun, 2 different pictures.

RH

LaEscopeta
August 2, 2007, 08:07 AM
Ill do an early post now and come back for a fuller report after I can get to the range.

Brought new 2 weeks ago from www.sportingarms.com for $434 + $16 shipping + $20 FFL = $470. Photos are in post 25 of this thread:

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=290401

on wood quality on modern Marlins. (You all know what a stock 1894 looks like so why waste band width re-posting photos here?)

I got this rifle for plinking and to teach the kids, and also for back up HD or any sort of SHTF fantasy scenario. Being able to shoot .38s for the kids and also more effective .357s was a big selling point. I also try to buy American when possible. Intend to shoot it a few times before I mess with it, but am considering a peep sight and maybe getting it shortened. Right now Im thinking shortening the barrel to the 16 minimum and taking 2 off the stock for a total length of 32"+/-, to make it handier for the kids. Im hoping a slip-on recoil pad will put the LOP back to the original 14 for me to shoot.

dbernie5
August 2, 2007, 08:43 AM
I'll join. I have an 1894c .38/.357 that I bought new last year. $449 + tax. I love it. The grandkids shoot it occasionally when they want to try something a little more powerful than the 10/22 they usually shoot. I put Williams sights on it and enjoy tearing up paper targets and frozen water jugs with it.

scubie02
August 2, 2007, 09:17 AM
well, I'll join the club if I ever GET mine...ordered one almost a month ago now and still haven't heard anything. I'm going to call later today and see what the status is. Guess the distributor claimed they couldn't keep them in stock.

MrBorland
August 2, 2007, 09:51 AM
I'm in!! Man, I love that thing!! I put a peep sight on it and use it for plinking, but it's nice to know I have a great all-arounder. A .357 lever, a .22 revolver, (or a .22 lever and a .357 revolver) and a 12gauge - the combo's got all your bases covered.

The hardest part seems to be finding them. I bought mine last year for around $350 at Gander Mtn. At the time I didn't reallize they were hard to find, until I started calling around locally. On a whim, I called a Gander that's about an hour away and the guy seemed to recall there was one stuffed waaaay in the back "under some stuff". He went to check, and "yup, it's still h.....". At this point, he was talking to dial tone, since I was already in the car. I see the prices now, and now feel good about the price I paid.

glockman19
August 2, 2007, 09:58 AM
I'll pick my 1894SS in .44mag up Saturday.
http://thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=61110&d=1185040869

You should also change the thread name to 1894 club why limit it to the "C" 1894's come chambered in many calibers.

miko
August 2, 2007, 01:13 PM
I was looking for them for half a year, so when I saw them at a gun show, I got a couple. :)
I mounted 1-4x32 shotgun scope on them on QD rings in place of red-dot sights. This way I can aquire target and see clearly even without glasses and if I need to take that 150 yards shot I can dial to x4.

miko

ArmedBear
August 2, 2007, 01:17 PM
I'm planning to join soon...

Anyone want to buy a box of assorted milsurps?

jacobhh
August 2, 2007, 02:07 PM
WINCHESTER! WINCHESTER! WINCHESTER!

Just wanted to watch you guys hold up your crosses and garland
your necks with garlic.

MrBorland
August 2, 2007, 02:28 PM
WINCHESTER! WINCHESTER! WINCHESTER!

Just wanted to watch you guys hold up your crosses and garland
your necks with garlic.


Nah - I'm not tied to a Marlin (though I do like them). For as hard as it was to find a Marlin .357, though, I've yet to find the Winchester version. Plus, even if I did, a new 1894 would likely be cheaper than a used 94 nowadays. I saw a Model 94 Trapper carbine 30-30 in so-so shape at Cabela's last year, and they wanted over $600. Had it been a .357 or .44mag, I would've thought about it harder. Any lever carbine chambered for .357/.44mag is pretty sweet in my book.

Top_Gunn
August 2, 2007, 02:53 PM
Got mine a couple of weeks ago for about $450. It's my first rifle, except for a couple I've borrowed from my son (I'm a pistol guy). I love it! Questions: (1) how accurate is it supposed to be? From a standing position, with iron sights, at 50 yards, I'm putting 6 out of ten shots in a 4" diameter circle. Is that reasonably good? (2) For plinking, any reason to shoot .357 magnums rather than .38 specials? The latter are somewhat cheaper and easier to load. (3) Any good URLs for tips on basic rifle shooting? I'm mostly playing it by ear.

Fatelvis
August 2, 2007, 03:17 PM
What are the best groups you guys have shot with them?

LaEscopeta
August 2, 2007, 03:18 PM
(2) For plinking, any reason to shoot .357 magnums rather than .38 specials? The latter are somewhat cheaper and easier to load.The owners manual and my gunsmith tell me .38s are likely to cause lead build up in the forcing cone (part of the barrel right in front of where the round sits in the chamber.) Vigorous scrubbing with a stiff wire brush after shooting .38s (preferably while the barrel is still warm) will get the lead out. Theoretically copper jacket .38s will avoid this problem, but some round or pointed nose jacketed ammo can go off in the tube magazine under recoil (point of one round hits the primer of the round in front.) Sometimes it causes a chain reaction with each fired bullet setting off the next one. This is a very bad thing.

Nathanael_Greene
August 2, 2007, 03:24 PM
I looked all over the Dallas-Fort Worth area for one; finally ended up ordering one. Great rifle. Took it to the range; my wife shot it and decided it was the greatest thing ever "and cute, too".

A few weeks later, in Wichita Falls, found a Big 5 hardwood special for $299.

How could I resist?

336A
August 2, 2007, 04:21 PM
Yup the Marlin 1894 series rifle are great I have a 1894SS .44 mag. I can get 1 1/2" groups at 100yd with mine. And they can turn a serious a trick or two on deer in very short order.:)

kmrcstintn
August 2, 2007, 05:12 PM
We're off to a great start; I didn't mean to exclude other 1894/1895 variant, so I edited the first posting to reflect the change...

MrDig
August 2, 2007, 05:13 PM
Bought one last winter used at a place called Frontiersman in the Mpls Area.
Needed a carbine to match my GP100 in .357 magnum and found one in excellent condition.
May have pics soon, need to do some checking

Anotherguy
August 7, 2007, 03:03 PM
Here's mine which I bought in early July of this year. Took a while to find a shop that had a new one in stock. These are not that easy to find new for some reason. Contrary to a recent thread about the poor quality and fit of wood stocks on these particular guns, I am very satisfied with the quality on this one. It's got some nice wood.

http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r308/longtail_photos/101_2693.jpg

kmrcstintn
August 8, 2007, 06:49 PM
nice pics so far everyone...

Anotherguy...what scope, ring, and base combo do you have on that?

glockman19
August 8, 2007, 07:43 PM
Does anyone know where I can get or if they even ever made a 1894C in Stainless steel?

JT'sDad
August 8, 2007, 07:55 PM
For those looking to join the club... just for reference if you are looking used.
I sold this last month my Marlin 1894CS, 38/357 Lever Action. Bought in 1991, had the safety, smooth stock. Sold it for $350 FTF in California. Hope this helps if your checking around for used ones.

molonlabetn
August 8, 2007, 08:36 PM
I've got one... a .357/.38 1984CB, with the octagonal barrel and smooth walnut stock. Very nice. Probably my favorite plinker.

Anotherguy
August 8, 2007, 09:54 PM
nice pics so far everyone...

Anotherguy...what scope, ring, and base combo do you have on that?

That's a Weaver one piece base, #63B.
Weaver Quick Detach 1" rings, medium height. The scope is a Pentax "Gameseeker" 3-9 power, 40mm. It's not a high dollar scope but it's very sharp, clear and bright. Cost about $100. Works great.

It also has the Wild West Guns "trigger happy" one piece trigger which IMO is a vast improvement over the factory two piece trigger. I installed it in about twenty minutes. It does everything they claim it will. Well worth the $90.

perpster
August 8, 2007, 10:37 PM
I'm in. Pre-cross bolt safety.

Nhsport
August 8, 2007, 11:28 PM
Ehh
When I find one it will get a set of peep sights just like my marlin 44 mag cowboy.
Peep seems the way to go on a lever gun (to me)

Sun195
August 9, 2007, 01:51 AM
I've got a basic Big 5 version - goes well with my S&W 686 and S&W 60.

I bought this thinking that I would get into CAS/SASS, but never quite got enough other guns to do that.

I think I paid $365 for it, but had to visit several Big 5's before I found one in 357 and that had decent wood. It's been a good shooter w/ no malfunctions so far. The wood isn't very exciting, but it's no different than my basic Marlin 60 and I've never had any complaints about that.

I like that it's a great all-around rifle: can be used for new shooters to SHTF scenarios. It's the type of rifle that just feels right in the hand.

Sistema1927
August 9, 2007, 10:37 AM
I picked up a lightly used checkered walnut 1894C for $300 about two years ago. I put a Williams receiver sight on it, but removed it when I started using the Marlin as my back-up CAS rifle. Mine feeds both .38 and .357 with ease, for CAS I use a 122 gr. truncated cone bullet.

I would not hesitate to pick this carbine up for serious social work.

jhansman
August 9, 2007, 09:29 PM
Have had my 1894C about six months now and love it. Easy to load for, a ball to shoot, and I feel like I'm about 10 yrs. old every time I pick it up. It's the rifle I've wanted since I was that age, and now that I have it, I'm a happy shooter.

kmrcstintn
August 10, 2007, 01:41 PM
one of the other members (USP45T) sent me a leupold base that is weaver style and has a groove milled into the top that allows me to see the sights...YES!!!

now I need some medium height leupold QD rings and a decent scope and I gots a great low recoil 50-75 yard deer rifle for my dad!

PO2Hammer
August 13, 2007, 02:30 PM
Pix to follow:

Marlin 1894CP (16" .357) XS scout mount w/Weaver 2X pistol scope, XS peep rear and blade front.

She'll do an honest 3" or better at 100 yards with heavy bullets.

glockgod
August 13, 2007, 03:11 PM
Count me in! 38 for Cowboy matches or .357 for x-tra thump. Wish I could deer hunt with it. Can't understand why I can use a .357 pistol to deer hunt and not a .357 levergun! They both take the same round-leave it to Ohio to come up with a brain fart like that!!:cuss:

Pine Cone
August 13, 2007, 03:56 PM
I guess I'd better join this one too...

I have a 1894C in .38/.357, which I got used but it was like new. Not clear if it had been shot or not. I've had it a little over a year now and haven't shot it enough. The link below is to a pix of it with it's cousin, the 336. It is the one with the Skinner sights on it.

While I would like to get a 39 or 39A, I haven't had any luck finding one I liked so I got a Winchester 9422 which is still a nice rifle.

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=62215&d=1186806194

ldp4570
August 13, 2007, 04:59 PM
Pre-cross bolt safety, along with my S&W28-4, they make perfect partners!!

MrDig
August 13, 2007, 05:00 PM
Put me in the Roll Call I have both the 1894c and a 336 in 30-30. Need to get out and shoot them more.

woof
August 13, 2007, 05:45 PM
I don't think they have made the 1894 .357 in stainless, just the .44mag. If they did it would be too much to bear, I'd have to have one.

Titus
August 13, 2007, 06:42 PM
There was at least one limited run of 1894s in stainless and .357 a little while back.

JaxNovice
August 13, 2007, 08:43 PM
Hi Guys, I have enjoyed reading your thread. Is this rifle in .357 or .44 mag practical for hunting boar and deer? If so what would be the maximum effective range in each caliber? One more: Is there a substantial increase in muzzle velocity when shooting those calibers out of a 18-20" barrel?

Thanks!

joe4702
August 13, 2007, 09:07 PM
I've got an 1894CP. Don't care for the porting, but I like the 16.25" barrel. It wears a Williams peep sight. Fun rifle. I also have it's brother (sister?) in .44 mag.

tubeshooter
August 13, 2007, 09:33 PM
I'm not quite in the club yet, but this will be my next purchase. I've wanted one since before their relatively recent spike in popularity.


I hope to officially join within the next couple of months. :cool:

Dusey
August 13, 2007, 09:34 PM
You do get a substantial boost in velocity and power when shooting the 357 and 44 mag from carbine and rifle length barrels. Approx. a 400 to 800 fps boost iirc. with a corrosponding increase in energy. I do not have one of these 1894c rifles yet, but it will be mine, oh yes, it will be mine:evil:

LaEscopeta
August 14, 2007, 09:09 AM
If so what would be the maximum effective range in each caliber?Most posters on this site tend to say 100, maybe 120 yards max. effective range for either caliber. Beyond this bullet drop makes it difficult to hit a target that you don’t know the exact range, and terminal ballistics drops down to hand gun level. Some posters talk about hitting paper targets at 200 yards, but this is with sighting in at that range.
Is there a substantial increase in muzzle velocity when shooting those calibers out of a 18-20" barrel?Muzzle increase of about 1/3 with muzzle energy as much as doubling.

As search of “Marlin 1894”, “Winchester 1892, 1984”, Carbine .357, 44 mag” etc will yield a wealth of additional information, including on hunting deer & boar.

115grfmj
August 14, 2007, 12:27 PM
the round (158 gr jsp magtech) doesn't cross the line of sight until it crosses 171 yards.....i.e it's a dead on hold. Most people are surprised by how flat the .357 from a rifle can shoot, relatively speaking. Also Your not really getting down to handgun velocity until about 150 yards, IIRC, from my own chrony work. Personally I wouldn't hestitate to take deer at that range....as always though if you can't land your rounds in the right spot........

glockman19
August 14, 2007, 12:48 PM
Well yesterday I shot my 1894SS .44 mag and loved it. I only went to the indoor range so teh farthest distance I could shoot it was 12 yards, 36 feet. All groups on the silouette were 1-1/2". I can't wait to take it to the outdoor range for longer shots.

The 629 however, started to hurt after 20 rounds and my hand was feeling numb after 50. Fun, great grouping but WOW some recoil from the 5" barrel. I'll ost likely get some different grips and see if it helps.

Nex I'll be looking for a .38 and .30-30.

JustsayMo
August 15, 2007, 11:21 PM
Of the flavors of 1894 Marlins I own(ed) my favorite is the 1894CB in 45 colt. I can't knock the others, I just like the 45 colt a little better.

My first was a 1894C big 5 in 357. Fun, handy and inexpensive to shoot.

The next I found at a garage sale in 44 Mag. That upped the fun factor and the 357 stayed home. Worked up some accurate loads for it though it wasn't too picky. A 240 grain anything over a max charge of 2400 would do sub 1" groups at 50 yards. Target pics at http://www.grovestreet.com/jsp/onepic.jsp?id=1066975

My most recent 1894 is the 45 Colt Cowboy Limited 20" barrel. My least finicky 1894 in what it will digest and shoot accurately. The Octagon barrel looks very cool on a levergun. I plan to hunt with it this year. My current go to load is a 315 gr Cast bullet over 2400 chugging along in the 1200 fps neighborhood. I've exceeded 1500 fps (SR 4759) with that bullet. Now that is gitty-up :what: Sort of a Big Bore Lite...

Target pictures at: http://www.grovestreet.com/jsp/onepic.jsp?id=1225592

If this club includes the 1895 sign me up for those too... I'm a big bore addict. I have three 1895's including a Guide Gun and a Cowboy...
http://www.grovestreet.com/jsp/onepic.jsp?id=1219065

Nematocyst
August 15, 2007, 11:53 PM
Kmrcstintn, thanks for this club. Saved me time. :)

Nice to have others be the club host. :p

And there are more than a few names in here that I recognize from a couple of other lever club houses.

I joined officially last week. Picked up my 1894C, which must have been one of the last remaining one's in the US until Marlin restarts production this month (reportedly). Took me weeks to find it.

I haven't shot it yet, and no pics yet.

But I can say that:


It's beautiful, with awesome furniture (IMO)
The size, weight and balance are perfect for me; just picking it up and pointing feels great.
It has already become my favorite rifle (again, haven't even shot it yet).
I predict that it has the potential to become my favorite gun of all times.

I am curious, though. This is not a complaint or criticism at all, but a curiosity. Why did you decide on an 1894/1895 club instead of one just for 1894s (of all flavors). Are the '894 & '895 actions that similar?

I've now researched a LOT about 1894s, and a bit about 1895s, but I still tend to put them into different realms, mainly I guess because of the caliber differences: pistol caliber carbines v .45-70, 450 Marlin & 444 Marlin. I almost expect the 1895 crowd to want to have their own club ...

I've noticed that so far, the majority of posts are about '94s. It'll be interesting to see how the conversation plays out in here about '894s and '895s. Should be an interesting exercise to compare and contrast them in terms of actions, issues, sighting, rnds, uses, etc.

Nem, host of the 336 club (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=258000) and the 39A club (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=261635&highlight=39a)

c pierce
August 16, 2007, 11:48 PM
This sounds like a great site. Count me in. I have a model 1894 pre lock 44 mag a 1895 4570 1886 33 win 1895 3006 win and two 39a . I mainaly collect smith& wessons.:)

kmrcstintn
August 17, 2007, 12:28 AM
I'm kinda tossin around the idea of letting my father use the 1894C this year for deer (background: dad handed over his Remington 760 in .30-06 since I didn't have a hunting rifle at the time; I had some 'updating' done to it as well as an overhaul & thorough cleaning; he has a S&W 686 PowerPort with a Bushnell Trophy red dot scope for hunting; my stepmom passed amonst all the hoopla and we're preparing to move in together since he's up in age);

I know that he'll want to scope it; based upon what he's done in the past, he'll probably use see through mounts so he has access to the rifle sights in a pinch (the Leupold base that I has mounted on it would allow use of QD rings but may be too thick if clamp-on see-through mounts are used since the crossbar would block the channel in the base);

I basically bought the 1894C for hunting camp defense and for plinking with open sights (I replaced the factory sights with Williams Firesights--equivalent to day glow) and that's the way I would like to keep it, but I feel that dad could benefit from using a very low recoil rifle (the 1894C would fit this criteria and would still be lethal out to 75 yards)

sorry about the rambling...I highly enjoy my 1894C; I am very glad that I bought it; keep the thread going! I will be off THR for a while preparing for my move! Later

Danny Creasy
August 17, 2007, 08:02 AM
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f169/sheffieldshootr/Marlin1894C-4.jpg

Lyman receiver sight.

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f169/sheffieldshootr/Marlin1894C-1.jpg

Groups best with 180 grain jacketed hps.

the lone gunman
August 17, 2007, 12:59 PM
I have an 1894 but mine is 44 magnum. I put a set of Skinner peep sights on it and a cheap nylon sling from walmart. What a blast to shoot , Its the most fun gun i ever had. I am going to use it this doe season, cant wait !!!

Mannlicher
August 18, 2007, 02:08 PM
Not a C, but an S in .44 Mag.

This is my go to deer rifle.

http://www.myhostedpics.com/images/Mannlicher/5_4.jpg

Nematocyst
August 19, 2007, 05:12 AM
Lever lovers,
opinions requested (http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=296745).

MyRoad
August 19, 2007, 06:10 PM
I have an 1894C, which I think is a great little rifle. My brother has the 336-30/30, which I've never fired but while handling I noticed that the bolt/receiver layout is different than on the handgun caliber models.

My question -- for those who own both -- is do you find that you like one style better than the other?

My initial impression is that the 30/30 version with the bolt inset in the receiver seems more... sturdy, maybe more polished (?). The 1894 version, at least mine, has sharp edges and feels less refined. (Might be because I have one of the Big5 sale guns?).

Is one version any easier to take down to clean, or otherwise easier to live with?
Do you feel like either one dropped in the mud would have the same probability of functioning flawlessly after a simple in-the-field wipe-down?

Nematocyst
August 19, 2007, 07:05 PM
Do you feel like either one dropped in the mud would have
the same probability of functioning flawlessly after a simple in-the-field wipe-down?:what: :eek:

Wow, I was doing fine with your post until I got there, then had to catch my breath. Oh, the horror ...

Still, good question.

Good to see you back around, MyRoad. Hadn't seen you for a while. If I'm not mistaken, I even owe you a PM or two.

Anyway, good questions you raise since I own both the guns you mentioned, but I'll not venture an opinion since both are still new to me, the '894C brand new. (Haven't even stripped it down yet for a pre-shoot cleaning ... busy with studio work ... and of course this infernal bunch of gun nuts called THR keeps getting in the way ... :p

:D

Checkman
August 19, 2007, 07:27 PM
I was given a Colt Lawman MK III for Christmas 1983. I was fifteen at the time. I was in hog heaven, but when I found out that Marlin made a "cowboy rifle" in .357 magnum I knew that I had to have one. Just like John Wayne. I couldn't imagine anything cooler than a revolver/carbine combo capable of using the same ammo.

I had approximately $100.00 saved up and my parents helped out with the rest. So for my sixteenth birthday (Feb 1984) I received a brand new Marlin 1894CS. Paid a staggering $180.00 for it. My dad was an Idaho State Trooper and one of his fellow troopers had a gun dealership run out of his home. He sold me that Marlin for just above cost.

The Colt was traded towards a S&W Model 27 back in 2003. But the Marlin is still in my safe with no intention of letting it go anywhere. After twenty-three years it's a member of the family and will eventually go to one of my kids.

woof
August 19, 2007, 07:55 PM
I called Marlin Friday to verify what I had heard, that 94s were being made this month. They did verify that. I should have asked if it was being changed in any way (I doubt it) and if the price would go up (I don't doubt it). I wish I would have "known" I wanted an 1894c about six months ago. I'll probably have to pay 150 or so more for waiting.

glockman19
August 19, 2007, 09:09 PM
I hope they produce the 1894CS again. I'd like a stainless .357 to go with my S&W 686

Nematocyst
August 19, 2007, 09:31 PM
^ <G'man19 stirs up the gun lust factor ... >

fallingblock
August 20, 2007, 03:56 AM
And FUN!:D

Nem, you are going to wind up with an "arsenal" at this rate.;)

If you think prices in the U.S. are high for an 1894c...

My 1894c cost AUD$829 new two years ago. (That's about USD$660):uhoh:

The muzzle end of the bore had a series of gouges extending about three
inches in from the crown, so I cut the barrel, magazine tube and spring to 17 inches-which eliminated the worst of them.

"Sending it back to Marlin" is for all practical purposes not an option in Australia - unless paperwork and frustration is a hobby.

I filed the safety button flush and recontoured the hammer to eliminate the possibility of any interference with hammer fall.
Dyed-in-the-wool traditionalist "That's what the half-cock is for" - that's me!

It's wearing a Lyman 66 receiver sight with a post front sight and is extremely fast handling. Aquiring a target is as simple as placing the front post on it!

The 1894c - slick-handling, traditional, reliable, accurate, and FUN.

Did I mention FUN?:D

Nematocyst
August 20, 2007, 04:31 AM
Nem, you are going to wind up with an "arsenal" at this rate.<smiles>

FB, my friend, I already have. ;)

Good enough for me, at the moment, anyway.
Could be five or twenty five times this and not be as much.

I cut the barrel, magazine tube and spring to 17 inches...Now, that sounds interesting.

Any chance for photos?

"That's what the half-cock is for"I never really understood the phrase, "Don't go off half cocked".
The point is, a rifle - at least an 1894 - CAN'T go off half-cocked.
Thus, I propose that the phrase could
have arisen from among lawyers.
_________

How's things in the southlands ... other than the price of fine rifles?

I hear you guys had a spot of drought recently ...

USP45T
August 20, 2007, 05:17 PM
I joined the 1894C club about 6 months ago. I love this rifle. Got a 1.5-5x20mm on order that I will mount with QRW rings and still try to use the factory sites. I don't know if the steel QRWs are gonna hold up when mounted on the aluminum base that I already have. A red fire site would be nice too.

glockman19
August 20, 2007, 05:50 PM
Nem,

Called Marlin today. Asked if they would produce a 1894CS. Word was my request would be passed along and if enough people requested it they may do a limited run. They took my number and said they would call me if/when there was a 1894CS available.

If you or any others are interested call tehm up they are very friendly. I look forward to their call and getting another.

I'll post my Stainless porn shortly. Marlin 1894SS, S&W 686 & 629.

MyRoad
August 20, 2007, 07:06 PM
Called Marlin today. Asked if they would produce a 1894CS. Word was my request would be passed along and if enough people requested it they may do a limited run. They took my number and said they would call me if/when there was a 1894CS available.

When I call them, I'm going to request that they make the limited run of stainless with a laminate stock similar to those on the XLR series. I realize this is a long shot since it would be easier for them to pick up production where they left off (the 1894 stock I believe is not interchangeable with the 1895), but its worth a try.

I would have trouble rationalizing another purchase, but if an 1894SS with a Laminate stock was on the market, I know I'd buy it.
(the .308 version pictured below)
http://www.marlinfirearms.com/images/zoom_308mxlr.jpg

Edit: In reality, I'd be just as likely to buy it with a nice synthetic stock as well.

fallingblock
August 20, 2007, 09:47 PM
Nem (or anyone), where do I find instructions on how to post a photo?
That's assuming I can work this digital-electro camera thing.:uhoh:

Yeah, we really are in the 'southland' of Australia now.
I returned from Arizona to move south from Alice Springs.
Her loveliness received a promotion to Canberra
that's put the U.S. plans on hold for a bit.:(

Still, it's coming up on spring here and the Australian Alps are
visible from the window as I type - even Canberra has some
attraction for outdoor folks.

"Going off Half-cocked" I think had to do with flintlocks originally -
Could someone from the blackpowder tribe enlighten us?

Drought? Yes, and when the rains finally did drown Sydney and
Melbourne recently they missed our little highland catchment area.
The A.C.T. now has its 'straws' into the Murrumbidgee River, and
the Snowy Mountain Hydroelectric Scheme may have to
reduce power output due to lack of flow.

I hope Marlin does return the 1894cs to production!

Matt King
August 20, 2007, 10:01 PM
Here is a website that might interest Lever-Gun Maniacs:
http://www.leverguns.com/Default.htm

Nematocyst
August 20, 2007, 10:10 PM
FB, here's some basic photo posting help (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=280240&highlight=image).

Let us know if you have questions.

Marlin 45 carbine
August 21, 2007, 09:45 AM
I don't own one but a shooting buddy does and I've shot his several times. I can see why they have a devoted following since he and many others have a .357 pistol. It's a fine carbine. He admires my little .45 acp carbine but no trade, thanks.

Checkman
August 21, 2007, 07:19 PM
So when did Marlin stop manufacturing the 1894CS in 357 magnum on a consistent basis?:confused:

I have to say that it's a strange feeling to be the owner of a model that is growing in popularity and apparently isn't being made on a regular basis anymore. Actually I had no idea this was going on.

I've become one of those blasted old farts with the neat, getting harder to find, bought it when it was failry common, gun in his safe. Hooray for me.:D

Nematocyst
August 28, 2007, 01:33 AM
Bump.

This is far too fine a gun to let this thread die on page 3.

Busy week for me, trying to finish a major studio rearrangement,
and scrape up Sept rent - else I'd be reporting on
tuning my new 1894C.

Maybe next week ...

glockman19
August 28, 2007, 01:47 AM
If there's enough interest perhaps we can go a Marlin 1894CS Group buy. I'd be happy to pay full price just to get a 1894 .357 in Stainless Steel.

I'll contact Marlin again and give then the address of this thread. Let's talk it up.

Parke1
August 28, 2007, 08:41 AM
My father-in-law just gave me his old 1894 as a belated wedding present. It's an old model with the standard post front sight, no cross-bolt safety. It has a weaver 3x mounted on it with quick release rings. Really nice carbine, I must say.

I haven't shot it, but then again I haven't shot anything in the past year since moving back to NE Ohio and promptly losing all of my shooting land...

Sigh.

-Parke1

Titus
August 28, 2007, 11:19 AM
When I call them, I'm going to request that they make the limited run of stainless with a laminate stock similar to those on the XLR series.

That is the basically the stock that was on the recent run of stainless 1894s. (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=197601)

MyRoad
August 28, 2007, 12:30 PM
Wow, that's it exactly! If that were available in .44mag, I'd own one.

Titus
August 28, 2007, 02:25 PM
They were made in 357 and 44 so you can probably find one somewhere!

MrDig
September 4, 2007, 04:14 PM
Here are a few reloading questions.
A. Who Makes a 180 grain Bullet in .357

B. Any recipes for them?

C. What else would you recommend for deer in a .357 round?

countryrebel
September 5, 2007, 08:22 PM
Picked her up today.:)http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid225/p45be63bfc2778c01548646c05b11e3d4/e7d4561a.jpg

Gila Jorge
September 5, 2007, 09:50 PM
Mine looks like AnotherGuy's except it is 44mag and I love it dearly., Extremely fun to shoot and dead on accurate...this is a keeper...thinking of
putting a QD 2 power Leupold on it for running Jackrabbits...carry it in my
truck all over the ranch...

mustanger98
September 5, 2007, 10:13 PM
A. Who Makes a 180 grain Bullet in .357

Hornady. 180gr HP/XTP for one.

B. Any recipes for them?

Check out Hornady's 5th Edition or later load manual. It's in the 5th Edition; I know because that's the edition I have.

C. What else would you recommend for deer in a .357 round?

158gr minimum bullet weight. It'll run about 1500fps or a little faster from the 18" barrel.

Rexster
September 6, 2007, 02:18 AM
My friend likes his pre-safety Marlin .357 so much, that I am about convinced to try one for myself. A couple at a local dealer, one new and one used, passed me by because I did not want to trade anything I had, but now I think I will trade my Miroku/Winchester in .45 Colt toward a good Marlin 1894C if one shows up locally. The Mirokuchester 1892 is not exactly my cup of tea.

Nematocyst
September 11, 2007, 03:38 AM
Bump it.

BlindJustice
September 11, 2007, 12:57 PM
I'll check in and say I was on this last night and the title still hasn't changed.... is the title change possible ?

Regardless I'll check in here now and again as I have a Marlin
1894 in .45 Colt. It's going to be converted to .45 Auto RIm this winter
when the rifle smith can get to it. He has done many Cowboy SPecial
conversions. I looked at the dimensions of the CS and it's a cut down
.45 Colt to the same case length as the .45 ACP/AR. THe conversion
invloves replacement of the Spoon/Carrier with a short length one
for the shorter cartridge and it makes the Lever travel about 1.5 inches
less in length, 3/4ths of an inch on the downstroke and
up stroke.a 'short stroker' I'll report on it It should be a fun plinker.

Marlin 45 carbine
September 11, 2007, 09:56 PM
a shooting buddy has the .357 marlin. I've shot it several times, impressive. but I won't trade my Camp .45 and he won't trade his lever gun.

Jaguar
September 11, 2007, 10:56 PM
I'm not a member, but that 1894C sure would go well with my Rossi 971, .357 Magnum and my Marlin 39A .22 rifle. :)

Probably be my next purchase, but not for a while.

Nematocyst
September 11, 2007, 11:07 PM
Good to see you in this neighborhood, Jag.

Yes, you need an 1894C ...

you need an 1894C ...
you need an 1894C ...
you need an 1894C ...
you need an 1894C ...

BlindJustice
September 11, 2007, 11:38 PM
WHEN ARE YAH GOING TO GET THE TITLE TO THIS THREAD CHANGED ???

Here's the word from Marlin about being able to shoot certain ammo in the various calibers in the 1894 - NOTE the missed info or misprint or did ANYBODY RTFM i.e. READ WHAT CAME WITH THE GUN!!!

Marlin Manual INfo.
Reccomended Ammunition O.A.L.. range
If chambered for: .
There's a paragraph for
.
.44 Magnum /.44 Special Parameters
Minimum Length: 1.535 inches
Maximum Length: 1.610 inches
. for factory Ammo except for waddcutters and shotshells
.
.and it repeats in a paragraph for
.357 Magnum/.38 Special Parameters
. Minimum Length: 1.400 inches
. Maximum Length: 1.590 inches
. factory ammo except for wadcutters and shot shells
the next paragraph is for
.38 Special Parameters
Minimum Length: 1.275 inches
Maximum Length: 1.550 inches
. factory ammo except for wadcutters and shot shells
.
but NO PARAGRAPH for
.45 Colt
Minimum Length: ?
Maximum Length: ?

Don't those lengths listed for the .38 Spcl. seem like
the .45 Colt parameters any of you reloaders?


Oh, I forgot this is just show & tell and look how cool my version
is no you can shoot any dang thing yah want whaddya talkng
about???

Pine Cone
September 12, 2007, 12:31 AM
"Don't those lengths listed for the .38 Spcl. seem like
the .45 Colt parameters any of you reloaders?"


From Richard Lee's Modern Reloading...

Length of .38 special case = 1.155"
Max total cartridge length = 1.550"

Length of .45 Colt case = 1.285"
Max total cartridge length = 1.600

JustsayMo
September 12, 2007, 12:50 AM
My 1894CB in 45 Colt will happily digest 1.670" Keith style SWC. I think the shortest I've gone was a 1.520". Least finnicky of the three calibers in 1894 I own(ed). I haven't found any 45 Colt ammo/bullet that wouldn't feed through it.

I can't say that about my 1894 in 44 mag. It hates SWC in any variation. The 38/357 did OK with most 357 ammo/bullets but 38's really needed to be RNFP to work smoothly.

Texasred51
September 16, 2007, 09:49 AM
Anybody ever use the .357 for varmints??? I have feral hogs, just got 2 of them with 20 gauge slugs, but my shoulder is talking to me, I am 56 and female. I just inherited a 336 in a 30-30 that is off being cleaned up (my dad hadn't taken good care or shot it for decades), but the .357 caught my eye. It is legal in Texas to shoot feral hogs with any caliber from any weapon at anytime, they are incredibly destructive. I shot that 30-30 when I was a teenager and do not remember it fondly although I know things change, like hearing protection... don't remember having any back then! Just the noise of it probably scared me 40 years ago!

woof
September 16, 2007, 11:40 AM
Count me in. I just bought my 1894c and am anxiously awaiting its arrival. I was planning on shooting mainly .38 spcl so hope I don't have any problems with that.

woof
September 16, 2007, 11:44 AM
Texasred, I hate to use this thread to recommend away from an 1894c but if you want something with lower recoil than the .30-30 but just as much punch consider something in 7.62x39. The beautiful cz carbine can be had for what 1894c's are running for example.

P. Plainsman
September 16, 2007, 06:47 PM
I took my 1894C to the range Friday. When it's shooting properly, it is more fun than almost anything else in gundom. With .357s it's a handy, low-recoil carbine that develops useful amounts of power for defense and a fair range of small to medium game.

With .38s it provokes spontaneous glee. Like a centerfire .22. Zero recoil and pops the falling plates at my range like a laser.

BUT my 1894C has one serious flaw. It is somewhat prone to jam up catastrophically while feeding rounds. I had a gunsmith try to fix this one time; it helped but that jams didn't disappear. Now they seem to be increasing. On Friday it happened again. The Marlin utterly froze up, crashed and burned after 30 rounds -- had to bag it up and toss it in the car trunk to fix when I got home.

Its characteristic jam occurs with the lever all the way forward, i.e., extended -- it freezes like that and won't go back at all. The next fresh round has made it up into the chamber, but you can't close the bolt, fire, or do anything else. Like I said, catastrophic. You have to disassemble the gun by removing the lever pivot screw with a screwdriver, then pull out the lever assembly, then the contents of the tube mag suddenly burst free under spring tension. Reassemble ejector, lever assembly, and bolt, tighten the screw on the lever, and you're back in action.

This is seriously impairing my enjoyment of the lever carbine. Is this the fabled "Marlin Jam"? What can be done to fix it? The problem is worse when I use .38 Specials (can never get through more than 15 or 20 Specials without the gun freezing up catastrophically, as above. Which stinks, because they're so much fun), but it happens from time to time with .357 Magnums as well. Enough so that I can't trust the gun for any serious purpose (or even a fun range session) unless and until the problem is fixed.

Any suggestions much appreciated, particularly diagnoses.

woof
September 16, 2007, 07:29 PM
Anxiously awaiting some answers to the jam question above, and here's another for the experts: I read about the lead deposits above from shooting .38s. Would the wire brushes on a boresnake used after a shooting session be enough to take care of that?

tinygnat219
September 16, 2007, 09:16 PM
Mine's the Marlin 1894 with an 18.5 inch barrel and the microgroove rifling. Mine does not have the silly tang safety, and the only thing "safety" oriented on it is the half-cock and no finger on the trigger. :D

I picked mine up at a local gunshop when I saw it leaning against a .30-30. It was so tiny and cute. When I asked to see it, I saw it was chambered in .357 Magnum. Zespectre and I at that time were looking to get into the Cowboy Action Shooting scene and we had decided on the .357 Caliber as it and .38 SPL are cheap to shoot in CAS. It was snatched up. I paid a whopping $250.00 for it less than a year and a half ago.

Well, our first match was a flub. We tried loading some LSWC .38 SPL rounds into the rifle. It jammed so hard, it had to be taken completely apart to fix.
Next, we discovered that it only took 9 rounds of .357, and 10 of .38 SPL. However, it would jam real hard on .38 SPL (Marlin Jam, these rifles are famous for it). So, with some judicious cutting and re-stretching of the magazine spring, we were able to shoehorn 10 rounds of .357 ammo into the rifle. We took it apart and cleaned, stoned, and greased certain parts of the rifle to make it as smooth as silk.

I like my rifle, and I won't sell it. :neener:

tinygnat219
September 16, 2007, 09:18 PM
P. Plainsman,

Check this site out: http://www.marauder.homestead.com/files/Marlin94Fix.html

I was unable to fix the jam in my rifle for .38 SPL, so I fire .357 Magnum (it's easier to just shoot this caliber).

However, if you also handload, try adjusting the OAL of your cartridge (bullet seating) to that of a .357 Magnum. This might help.

mustanger98
September 16, 2007, 10:22 PM
Texasred51, Here's my take...

Anybody ever use the .357 for varmints??? I have feral hogs, just got 2 of them with 20 gauge slugs, but my shoulder is talking to me, I am 56 and female.

Get you some 180grainers, sight in at your point blank range (the max range you can hit the hogs kill zone), and go for it. I recommend a Williams 5D rear sight though.

I just inherited a 336 in a 30-30 that is off being cleaned up (my dad hadn't taken good care or shot it for decades), but the .357 caught my eye. It is legal in Texas to shoot feral hogs with any caliber from any weapon at anytime, they are incredibly destructive.

.357's legal... go for it.

I shot that 30-30 when I was a teenager and do not remember it fondly although I know things change, like hearing protection... don't remember having any back then! Just the noise of it probably scared me 40 years ago!

The first time I shot a .30-30, I was 15 years old. No hearing protection here either. We didn't think about it back then. The .30-30 muzzle blast, although not near as bad as .223 and .243, will rattle you until you get used to it. It rattled me so bad I lasted about 3 shots and I was shaking so bad I about couldn't hold the gun. Part of getting used to it is shooting with hearing protection so you feel how little recoil there is and get comfortable with it. Then, when you shoot it without hearing protection- not advised, but sometimes necessary- it's not such a big deal.

Texasred51
September 16, 2007, 11:09 PM
Thanks to Mustanger and Woof for the advice!!!

Nematocyst
September 17, 2007, 06:10 AM
Simple fix
for th' 'jam:

It's a .357 mag.

Load it appropriately.

{Translation: feed it .357 mag.}

When shooting 0.38
in an '894, don't shoot hp.

From what I've read,
for those shorter rnds,
'894s like round heads ...

woof
September 17, 2007, 06:20 AM
The problem with that apparent simplicity is that many report shooting .38 only with no problems ever. So there must be some physical factor that varies from rifle to rifle. How else can that be explained?

Nematocyst
September 17, 2007, 06:30 AM
I'll put a 5-spot on this hypothesis:

The edge on the chamber is too sharp.

Round it and they'll chamber more smoothly.

http://math.hws.edu/eck/cs324/s04/lab5/five.jpg

woof
September 17, 2007, 08:51 AM
So some chambers are coming from the factory sharper than others? One would think Marlin engineers would have figured that out by now. Anyway, I'm waiting for mine to come and hope it is one without the issue!

MyRoad
September 17, 2007, 10:20 AM
Simple fix
for th' 'jam:
It's a .357 mag.
Load it appropriately.
{Translation: feed it .357 mag.}

That doesn't address the fact that from the factory it is advertised as a gun that is designed and expected to shoot .38's (mine says ".357 mag. or .38 Spcl." right on the barrel). The ability to shoot .38's is one of the major benefits of this gun -- for the low recoil, low noise, and low cost factors.

When shooting 0.38
in an '894, don't shoot hp.

From what I've read,
for those shorter rnds,
'894s like round heads

This may more directly address the issue, that some .38 rounds are shorter than others and out of spec for the gun.

So some chambers are coming from the factory sharper than others?

It seems unlikely at first, but there have been some known QC problems with the 1894C's. I've been lucky, so far mine has fired everything I've fed it.

USP45T
September 17, 2007, 11:38 PM
tinygnat219 , do you mean 10+1 in 357? I thought the the tube holds 9 in the 18.5in 1894C? maybe your is a different model?
my 1894c runs blazer brass 38sp without a hitch. I read posts a long time ago, before i bought mine, about not using wadcutters, so i never tried em.

Nematocyst
September 18, 2007, 09:25 PM
Good to have MyRoad's input here.
Speaking at least for myself,
I trust his judgment.

...doesn't address the fact that from the factory it is advertised as a gun that is designed and expected to shoot .38's I totally agree.

It's 'sposed to shoot those .38s. So, it'll use the same rnds that my 642 shoots. Big +.

That's part of why I bought one (after shooting yours ... :p )

Of course, the other reason is that it shoots the same rnds as my 65.

Bigga bada boom (http://farm1.static.flickr.com/125/355430025_98414cfb34_o.jpg), but with less recoil.

:)

...may more directly address the issue, that some .38 rounds are shorter than others and out of spec for the gun.I offer the hypothesis that it's more related to roundness of the bullet (as in FMJ v HP) than to length.

At least, roundness is a factor.
(Because rounder fmj's rounds feeds into that chamber
with sharp edges easier than hps...)

All of this is testable hypothesis, of course.

If only we had a couple of 1894Cs,
a load of .38 fmjs and hps,
and a shooting range.

Oh, wait ...

"So some chambers are coming from the factory sharper than others?"

It seems unlikely at first, but there have been some known QC problems with the 1894C's.

That seems to get at the heart of the issue ...

QC: so important, so neglected.

ratgunner
December 8, 2007, 06:25 PM
1894c Club,count me in.I'm on my second one.BTW the first one did'nt wear out, I just traded it on something else.:D Mine has a T/C 4X scope and shoots REAL good.

cornman
December 8, 2007, 07:01 PM
Why does Marlin only make a .41 Mag pistol grip???? Year after year I have been waiting for a .357 1894 pistol grip but nother ever comes of it. Furthermore Marlin has no contact email to ask if there is one in the works. Did Marlin ever make a pistol grip .357 in the 1894?

ArmedBear
December 9, 2007, 01:37 AM
Hell, Marlin only makes .357 guns when they bloody well feel like it, as it is.:)

Not sure if they ever did make a PG gun in .357, but I kinda like both stock styles. Different, but each is nice in its own way.

Oh, and count me in. Just bought a .357, myself.

Leanwolf
December 9, 2007, 01:45 AM
CORNMAN - "Why does Marlin only make a .41 Mag pistol grip???? "


Cornman, the 1894S in .41 Magnum was made with the straight stock. I have one. Bought it new in 1987. Shoots like crazy, too. Perfect match for my S&W 57 as a great combo out in the boonies.

L.W.

Nematocyst
December 9, 2007, 01:47 AM
Oh, very cool: three new "official" (cause they own one) members in one day.

The joint is jumpin'!

Truth be told, I prefer pg on my levers (or any long gun, for that matter).
It's just what I "grew up with" and got used to. It just feels more "natural" to me.
Obviously, lot's of people like straight stocks as well or better.
(I've often wondered if that's because that's what they started with, or something else.)

Having said that, I've been pleasantly surprised by how good my 1894C has come to feel. Especially, I think, because of it's smaller carbine size that allows me to control it more effectively. I still don't like larger straight stock rifles as much as those with a pistol grip, though. Something about that pistol grip that makes them more comfortable for me, more positive grip that helps with recoil. (Gee, I've never tried to articulate this before.)

Even so, if Marlin did ever make a pg .357 mag carbine, I'd likely jump at it.

OK, I gotta get back to work now. No, I'm not going to read any more right now ...
I'm going to close this browser and get back to work ...




... any second now ...









... honest, I'm going this time ...

rocinante
December 9, 2007, 07:59 AM
Marlin 1894 Cowboy, 357, 20 inch octagonal barrel, action job, safety move, upgraded firing pin, fixed leaf sights. totally pristine. 469 used on gunbroker. So far it shot a box of 38 special with no hiccup. FUN GUN.

I think I got a killer deal because other guys shied away from the modifications.

Wolfgang2000
December 9, 2007, 10:07 AM
My safe holds his and hers 1894's in 357 mag. I did have one is 44 mag., but when I decided to consolidate calibers I chose the 357.

They are fast handling and very fun guns to shoot.

PS. I hate the pistol grip stock. The best Christmas present I could have would be Marlin making their stainless 30-30 with a straight stock! :D:D

cornman
December 9, 2007, 10:49 AM
Straight grip stocks look archaic and ugly imo. Now how do I contact Marlin to put in my complaint?

ArmedBear
December 9, 2007, 10:50 AM
Straight grip stocks look archaic and ugly imo.

LOL

I think you just walked into a wine bar with a bottle of Boone's Farm in a paper bag under your coat.

ratgunner
December 9, 2007, 10:59 AM
You can always buy a rifle and replace the buttstock.Find a used rifle with the stock you want[straight or PG]and switch them out then sell the other one.Just a thought.;)

Nematocyst
December 9, 2007, 04:36 PM
I think you just walked into a wine bar with a bottle of Boone's Farm in a paper bag under your coat.AB, I think of it as more akin to walking into a bar in rural TX
with a bunch of Ford F-250s & 350's in the parking lot and shouting, "Fords suck!".

:D

ArmedBear
December 10, 2007, 09:45 AM
Except that they, in fact, do.:p

Wolfgang2000
December 10, 2007, 12:55 PM
Cornman just remember that opinions are like arm pits. Everybody has a couple and they usually stink!!! :D:D:D

Nematocyst
December 10, 2007, 09:54 PM
<Note to self: never go to a rural TX bar with AB>

:D

brvheart
December 10, 2007, 11:05 PM
Count me in!

Marlin 1894 CB Limited 45 LC
Marlin 336 30-30
Marlin 1895 CB 45/70

Nematocyst
December 11, 2007, 01:21 AM
Brvheart, welcome to the club, and to THR.

With that 336, consider joining us over here (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=258000), also.

1895 in .45-70 is on my list, too.

Nem

ugaarguy
December 11, 2007, 01:59 AM
Furthermore Marlin has no contact email to ask if there is one in the works
Nope, they sure don't.
Straight grip stocks look archaic and ugly imo. Now how do I contact Marlin to put in my complaint?
I'm not gonna spoon feed you, but their contact information is very easy to find. You already have an internet connection Cornman, just put it to good use. I'll give you a heads up though. Marlin has a toll free number for service. They have a regular old phone number for all other business. They don't show an e-mail address as you've already seen. They do, however, have a mailing address. I know it's difficult, but you'll have to either make a long distance phone call, or mail them a letter via the US Postal Service to voice your complaint. Best of luck grasshopper.

ArfinGreebly
December 11, 2007, 02:17 AM
Nem, I don't know how I managed to forget to update here.

I now have the complete set: 336C (.30-30), 39A (.22 S/L/LR), and for nearly a year now, the 1894C (.357 & .38).

I thought I'd already posted it here, but evidently not.

I've already decided that one isn't enough.

Budget permitting, I'll be adding another 1894C this coming year.

Nematocyst
December 11, 2007, 02:33 AM
Arf, memory lapses are understandable,
especially during an interstate move.

I now have the complete set:
336C (.30-30), 39A (.22 S/L/LR),
and for nearly a year now, the 1894C (.357 & .38).Ah, but I might respectfully beg to differ about
the definition of "complete set", my friend.

IMNSHO, it's not a "complete set"
w/o an 1895 in .45-70,
especially where you just moved. ;)

And speaking only for myself,
I'm thinking that one 1894C is enough
for my semi-nomadic self.

I want to get to know that single 1984C
with all it's attitudes and vicissitudes.

But adding an 1894 (no suffix) (http://www.marlinfirearms.com/Firearms/1894Centerfire/1894.aspx)
in .44 mag/.44 spl is an interesting option. :scrutiny:

I've also considered an 1894FG (http://www.marlinfirearms.com/Firearms/1894centerfire/1894FG.aspx) in .41 Rem mag.
<ahem> Note: 20" barrel w/ PISTOL GRIP! http://www.jesseshunting.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/smiley-rock.gif

ArmedBear
December 11, 2007, 09:29 AM
Another interesting option is to get an 1894 in .45LC (Cowboy model, or Big 5 model for a lot less cash).

For some reason, Marlin uses a faster twist rate in .45LC than .44M (1:16 vs. 1:34).

That means the .45 will effectively stabilize a bigger bullet, e.g. 325 gr from these guys: http://www.buffalobore.com/ammunition/default.htm#45colt

It's rated at 1325 fps in a revolver; should be a lot faster in the carbine, and push into .45-70 territory, but still work fine with .45LC plinking ammo.

Nematocyst
December 11, 2007, 03:40 PM
I now have the complete set:
336C (.30-30), 39A (.22 S/L/LR),
and for nearly a year now, the 1894C (.357 & .38).Last night, in my near sleep stupor (I actually got to bed before midnight for a change),
I forgot to add an important component of my opinion, so let me hasten to add it now:

The 336/39/1894C combo may not be a "complete set" (IMO), but it IS
the core of a complete set in my book. No finer triad of levers exist for the lower 48 (again, IMO).

Now up in AK where AB lives, or maybe even in northern ID, my core triad might change to
39/1894C/1895, even though my complete set would still include the 336.

Just thinking out loud before coffee. YMMV.

Johnny B
December 11, 2007, 09:32 PM
This is a gun that I dearly want. I'm moving to southern Utah because my wife and I are small town types, when it comes right down to it. I just finished school and my wife is going to finish up her teaching degree at the university down there. Anyway, sorry for my life story; I tend to be a little chatty, even over this series of tubes know mysteriously as the "internet".

At any rate, one of the things I'm most excited about moving down there is the prospect of frequent camping trips, on account of there being so many prime spots that you don't even have to drive half an hour to get to. So, I figure I need a brush gun, and by gum, if the 1894 doesn't seem to fit the bill nicely. So tell me, gentlemen, should I take the plunge?

Nematocyst
December 11, 2007, 10:30 PM
I tend to be a little chatty, even over this series of tubes know mysteriously as the "internet".Welcome to the club, JB.

One advantage of the Internet: when folks don't want to "hear" chatty, they just skip over it.
(Unlike at a party when you can't always avoid chatty folks. :uhoh:)

Having said that, I 'spect you'll feel right at home here. ;)

... one of the things I'm most excited about moving down there is the prospect of frequent camping trips, on account of there being so many prime spots that you don't even have to drive half an hour to get to. I am oxidized sandstone with envy. (I would say "green", but there's not much green in southern UT.)

When I lived in the SW, southern UT was my absolute most favorite place for canyon backpacking. If you're into canyon walking, check out the Fish and Owl Canyon loop (http://www.cs.uwaterloo.ca/~shallit/fish.html) just east and a bit north of Grand Gulch in south central UT. Awesome country. Getting into either one, especially going in from Owl Canyon rim, takes some route finding ability.

Another fine one is Dark Canyon, a tributary of the Colorado that runs south out of Glen Canyon. Thumbnail 4 is a view into the canyon from it's west rim where the trail intersects it. (The Colorado River is just two miles to the "left". Took us over an hour just to find the way down into the canyon from the rim nearby some interesting boulders (thumbnail 2), and another hour to drop down the steep scree-slope switchback to the bottom (thumbnail 1) with supplies for several days. Well worth the climb cause there's awesome water in the bottom (thumbnail 3) if you go at the right time of year. (But be careful of flashfloods in summer; a storm can happen 30 miles upstream, and wipe your camp out in minutes.)

But remember this around all canyons in southern Utah: they don't call it "slick rock" for nothing. (AAAaaaaaaaaiiiiiiihhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!! :eek: )

I've unfortunately moved from the region now, and probably won't get back. (I'm heading north next.) But I miss it a LOT.

But if I were to walk there today, or anywhere in southern UT (or most other places),
you can bet good money I'd be carrying a mod 65 AND my 1894C.
So tell me, gentlemen, should I take the plunge?Two friendly suggestions:

1) Remember, please, that THR is composed of men AND women.
More of one than the other, perhaps, but we suggest that you not omit reference to either. :)

2) JUMP (into the world of the 1894C)! :D

PS: sorry for the OT photos. But that country is just made for 1894C.

Johnny B
December 12, 2007, 12:50 AM
Remember, please, that THR is composed of men AND women.
More of one than the other, perhaps, but we suggest that you not omit reference to either.


My sincerest apologies for the hasty generalization, and I hope any offended parties will forgive my error; it's an unfortunate habit that creeps into my way of speech every so often.

That said, I think I'll be working a 1894c into the budget. It's my next firearms purchase, hands down.

Nematocyst
December 12, 2007, 01:02 AM
Hey Johnny, no apologies needed (at least by me). We all do it on occasion.

It's just that some of our women friends here at THR sometimes feel a little left out of the discussion,
so we're all trying to be better webizens (is that a word?) and acknowledge them with our language. :)

Good choice for next rifle. You won't be sorry. ;)

Nem

JustsayMo
December 12, 2007, 09:55 AM
I doubt you'll have any regret after taking the "plunge." I also doubt that this plunge will be your last when it comes to Marlins. I ain't never seen one I didn't want to buy ...;):p and some I HAD to buy :eek:

For economy I'd recommend the 1894 in 357. If you reload and have a bit more expendable income the 44 and 45 (haven't owned the 41 yet) caliber 1894's up the grin factor some. My favorite is an 1894CB in 45 Colt. I'll spare you now but I could go on and on about it.

The ONLY regret I've ever had about owning a Marlin is that I waited too long to buy one :p

Johnny B
December 12, 2007, 10:23 AM
I do reload, primarily for .45 acp and .223, but I am aching to branch out into other, more "exotic" calibers. (OK, I know that .357 and .44 mag are hardly exotic, but they're something new.) My reasoning for going with the .357 first is that there is very little in my neck of the woods, on two legs or four, that a decently placed .357 round wouldn't make quick work of. The biggest furry creatures in those parts are maybe the extremely occasional black bear or mountain lion. If I ever need something to ward off those critters, it'll just be a good excuse to run out and get the 1895 in .45-70. Heh, heh, heh. Yeah. That'll be a hard sell for the wife, but I've got nothing but time.

Nematocyst
December 16, 2007, 01:18 AM
OK, I know that .357 and .44 mag are hardly exotic...I basically agree:
nothing "exotic" about .357 mag.

It's been around for a long while.
Nothing "strikingly strange or unusual (http://wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=exotic)" about it.

Yet, at the same time,
there IS something "exotic" about .357 mag.

I've been trying to understand what for a couple of days.

I came up with a short list:

* ancestor is .38 sp
* fires from revolvers and carbines
* takes animals ranging in size from squirrel to deer

Question: isn't that "strikingly unusual"?

ArfinGreebly
December 16, 2007, 01:49 AM
Search my posts for "bison" and you'll find descriptions of a guy who took a 1,000 lb bison at 71 yards with a 4-inch stainless .357 revolver, shooting hard-cast lead. A through-and-through shot. On a bison. From a pistol. At 71 yards.

Did I mention it was from a pistol?

And yet I've had people laugh at the idea you can use a .357 carbine for hunting. Right.

You can kill medium (and even large) game at 100 yards, with a revolver, but put that same cartridge into a carbine -- where it picks up another 400 fps at the muzzle -- and suddenly it's a pathetic, wimpy round.

You see, the .357 will stop a Mack truck when fired from a sidearm, but turns to jello if used in a rifle.

Nothing exotic here, folks. Move along.

:D

Nematocyst
December 16, 2007, 01:53 AM
... a 1,000 lb bison at 71 yards with a 4-inch stainless .357 revolver ...:what:

Nematocyst
December 16, 2007, 05:49 PM
Speaking of 1894, here's a "it's-Sunday-afternoon-and-I'm-putting-off-going-to-work-as-long-as-possible" photo.

Below is my entire current gun tool kit, sans my 39A
which is still in the shop but due home any day now.
Of course, I'll have to retake the family photo when it gets home.
Hoping to have it home by Christmas.

Someday, I'll add a large bore lever, mostly likely 1895 in .45-70,
and likely an SxS shotgun (got my eye on Stoegers).

I added my main camp knife group
and some rnds for size comparison.


336A (.30-30)
642 (.38 spl +p)
1894C (.357 mag/.38 spl +p)
65 (.357 mag/.38 spl +p)
Benchmade osborne
SOG seal pup elite
Kabar


So, that lil' ol' .357 mag rnd has taken bison, eh?
Well, well, well ... that gives me a new sense of perspective.

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=69216&stc=1&d=1197844999

ArmedBear
December 21, 2007, 12:19 AM
Just got back from the local indoor range, where I shot my new 1894C for the first time.

My best group, after I got familiar with the gun, but before I started getting a bit tired, was dead-center on the bull, 4 shots .6" center to center of the farthest two, at 20 yards, standing offhand, no sling, with stock irons. I didn't expect it to shoot so well, and so comfortably.

Man, I love the way that thing shoots!

Fun, fun, fun.

Gotta get a press, now.:)

Nematocyst
December 21, 2007, 03:42 AM
4 shots .6" center to center of the farthest two, at 20 yards, standing offhand, no sling, with stock irons.

That's impressive, AB.

What rnds were you shooting?

brvheart
December 21, 2007, 08:02 AM
Yeah, the 1894 is pretty impressive. First time out after a couple of practice targets, 10 shots off hand at about the same distance:

http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o46/brvheart/Marlin1894CB.jpg

ArmedBear
December 21, 2007, 01:12 PM
Nice 10-shot group!

What rnds were you shooting?

I shot whatever I found in my surplus ammo box with the "Handgun" label on it.:D

My group was with WWB 130 grain FMJ (flat point) .38 Special practice ammo from Wal Mart.

I also shot a better 5-shot group than any of my postcard match groups with cheapo Golden Bullet bulk ammo and my Mountie. That's how it goes, though.:) We need another match!

I like straight grips. I also like pistol grips. I just like them differently.:p

But that 1894C is really easy to shoot; what a great little carbine.

Johnny B
December 22, 2007, 05:18 PM
Well, my wife just let it slip that I am getting an 1894c as a Christmas gift. I think she's worse than I am about keeping secrets. I'm sure you can imagine my excitement. To add to my delight, I have good reason to believe that I am going to get a set of dies to match my new rifle. Holy smokes. This was unprecedented; I thought I was going to have to do some begging to get this shootin' iron, but I have never been so glad to be wrong.

The hardest part now is waiting for a week to try the freaking thing out. I have family stuff through Wednesday, then it's to Vegas for a friend's wedding on Thursday. Won't get home until Saturday. It feels like an eternity!

CB900F
December 22, 2007, 05:29 PM
Fella's;

Now, I'll admit to not reading every post in all 5 pages, but from I did scan, I see y'all are ignoring the other Marlin 1894. That's the 1894M.

I've got one of those, and love it dearly. But since it's obviously not wanted here, we shall retire to the range.

:neener: 900F

JustsayMo
December 22, 2007, 07:21 PM
CB900F, If you'd rather have the 1894C, I'd gladly trade you ... :D :p ;)

If'n yer not willin' to part with it, at least share a range or hunting report. I've been lookin' for a 1894M for a few years now. So far I've just managed to drive up the price on a few on Gun Broker... :rolleyes:

Another flavor I'd like to find is the 1894 in 32 HR mag.

shane638
December 24, 2007, 01:00 AM
I have a 1894c that I bought for a home self defense weapon. I love to shoot it , when it isn't jamming up on me:mad:. The lever will lock up in the forward position and has to be broken down to unjam. Would I be better off with a 336, or would that be to much for home defense?

Nematocyst
December 24, 2007, 01:30 AM
Shane,

What rnds are hanging up?

Let me guess: .38 spl?

There are reports that some .38 hang up in the 1894C more than .357 mag.

Emphasis: some, not all.

(Search: marlin jam)

Find the ones it cycles and stick with them.

And remember: it prefers .357 mag.

ArfinGreebly
December 24, 2007, 01:57 AM
No, this is not some kind of home-made preserves.

Do a google for "Marlin Jam" (and actually include the quotes).

On of the links you get will be this one here (http://marauder.homestead.com/files/marlin94fix.html).

There will be others. I haven't researched Marlin (the company) to see if they themselves have provided any online insight.

I have a nice new 1894C, and I think it will get a visit to the vet before it does any serious work.

Johnny B
December 24, 2007, 03:40 PM
Question (that I'm sure has been beaten to a pulp elsewhere): I'm planning on putting a Williams 5G aperture rear sight on this baby. Do I need to replace the front sight post? It looks pretty stinkin' tall to me, but I'm barely an amateur at these kinds of things, so I feel better asking.

PS- Nem, if all goes according to plan, I might be seeing you and the rest of the gang over at Club 336 in not too long. Fingers crossed!

Nematocyst
December 24, 2007, 05:17 PM
Johnny B, come on by the 336 club anytime and hang out. Ownership is not a requirement for club "membership", just an interest in the rifle. Looking forward to hearing what you might be getting ...

More on the jam that's not marmalade: here's another page (http://marauder.homestead.com/files/TUNING_M_1894.htm) on tuning up Marlin lever guns. It's not specifically directed at the "jam", but does smooth up the action noticeably, and - with a good set of tools (especially a set of gunsmith screwdrivers), reasonable care and a careful reading of directions - can be done by a non-smith.

I used it to tune up my 336, and - as soon as I get some time - will do it on my relatively new 1894C, also.

Not only did they smooth up my 336, but I learned a LOT about the action of the rifle in the process. Well worth the two days I spent on it. (See my notes on the process starting on post 777 of the 336 club (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=3587079&highlight=tune#post3587079) and continuing on for a couple of pages.)

Cron
December 28, 2007, 07:33 PM
I just joined the club today! :D I've been waiting since last Spring for my dealer to get in some 1894C's. Naturally they show up right after Christmas when I'm nearly tapped out. I brought it home with some trepidation but my wife likes the size and weight and declared that she wants to shoot it asap. Whew! Off the hook!
Any smithing required to put on a Williams (or other) aperture sight?

Nematocyst
December 29, 2007, 05:43 AM
Whew! Off the hook!Dude, you don't even know ... yet. ;)

Welcome to the club.

Any smithing required to put on a Williams (or other) aperture sight?Nixorama for Williams, Skinner and XS.

One just needs a good set of smith screwdrivers.
__________

Hey, did you hear the news?
Remington is "acquiring" Marlin.
(http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/prnewswire/NYW02426122007-1.htm)

shane638
December 29, 2007, 12:13 PM
What are used 1894c in 357 going for?

Johnny B
December 29, 2007, 04:13 PM
So I just went out and shot a box of ammo with my new gun. What a fun rifle! For me, it shot minute of pop can at a good 40-45 yards with the WWB .38 Special ammo. I'm certain it's capable of much more with a more skilled user, but it did the trick just fine for me. Then, just for the fun of it since we were in some very pretty country, my wife and I went for a short hike. I just slung the carbine over my shoulder, set off, and I forgot that it was even there. Moral of the story: this gun is nothing short of awesome. Best Christmas present ever. Now I need to get one in .44 Magnum and the 1895 in .45-70, a 336, a Model 39, and on and on, ad infinitum.

Now, to more pressing matters. Folks, I need a peep sight for this rifle. The stock irons do what they do just fine, even if they are a little slow and kind of hard to see; but I need to get a peep sight to really see with this rifle is capable of. In light of this, I have a couple of (possibly dumb) questions. First, do you completely remove the stock rear sight, and if so how? Second, I really like the look of the XS Ghost Ring sights. Anyone want to vouch for them? Third, is this pretty easy to do?

Thanks a bunch, gang.

John

LlanoEstacado
December 31, 2007, 06:22 PM
Got mine late in summer to hunt deer. Put a 1.75 to 4x with 32mm objective on it and changed out factory sights for fiber optic in case scope breaks when hunting somewhere other than Cabelas. Since I shoot Ruger .44 Super Blackhawk, tried what I had in it - mainly 270 up to 320 grain hardcasts. Not too good. The dealer who sold to me suggested 240 grain, so I tried basic Winchester softpoints. After I corrected a scope mounting problem, consistently shoot < 1.5" groups at 100 yds. I love it! Wonder if anyone has had better luck with heavier bullets - slow twist said to be a problem. I did try light stuff too, worse than 240 grain. Thinking I'll try again later since scope mount problem may have skewed results with heavier (and lighter) bullets.

sarge 14
December 31, 2007, 07:54 PM
1894 Cowboy Limited 45 Colt here with the old 24" barrel rather than the 20"

eliphalet
December 31, 2007, 10:43 PM
Bought a 1894 in 25-20 made in 1904 at a yard sale last summer. The barrels in these older 1894's were manufactured with a softer steel than modern and this bore is worn from shooting jacketed bullets, has exterior pitting but works great and is fun to shoot. The fella I bought it from got it used in 1947 the year he got married. Met him and the wife, listened to a story or two of him with this old gun in a scabbard on his saddle, of the bear he killed with it. Took a couple of pictures of him with the rifle etc. Makes it all the more enjoyable to own for me.

barnett
January 1, 2008, 10:21 AM
i have an 1894 Marlin in .44mag that is an awsome gun. my other lever gun is an 1892 Stainless Steel Rossi in .357mag. equally awsome.
gotta love those pistol caliber carbines!

Shaner
January 1, 2008, 10:52 AM
I bought my 1894 in .44Mag from a co-worker/friend for $200 back in October. It ended up being my very early Christmas present from the better half. Reason being is that I just bought 3 other rifles in that time frame and negotiated a "deal". Fine by me...:D

It's blued, microgrooved, walnut stock, pre-crossbolt safety. Not a scratch on it. I think it's a steal.

I'm looking for peep sights and would like to not do any drilling. I'm torn between Lyman's, skinners, or Marble....

cornman
February 1, 2008, 10:02 AM
Here is what marlin needs to make for the .357!

http://www.gunshopfinder.com/marlin/marlin336Y.asp

Would it be so hard to make a pistol grip?

LlanoEstacado
February 1, 2008, 05:15 PM
cornman, thanks for the link! That is a nice looking rifle, although the stock would be too short for me. I've never noticed much difference between a pistol grip stock and a straight stock, but most of my shooting has been with handguns so I don't have a lot of experience with either. Why do folks like the pistol grip so much better?

TexAg
February 1, 2008, 10:51 PM
I prefer a straight grip. I find it much easier to fit a gloved hand in the square lever rather than the curved lever of the pistol grip.

bearmgc
February 2, 2008, 10:01 AM
I haven't seen a used one go for less than $350 lately.
I have a Marlin 1894 44Mag that I bought old, bumped around, and metal duracoated. A good shooter, a straight stock. Its been my truck gun for years. Previous owner slicked up the action, smooth as glass. I thought it was worth the $200. Mine shoots the the Win Partition Gold 250gr pretty well, so that's the round I use. My other Marlins are in 444Marlin and 375WIN. Great hunting rifles. Shaner, you STOLE that 44! Heehee

Doug Add
February 9, 2008, 06:09 PM
I just found this thread, while searching for something else. I picked up an 1894C used a couple years ago for just over $250. It was manufactured in 1980, but looked like it had barely been shot. My son and I have had great fun shooting it!

I have a hankering for a 336, but even if I don't get one, I will be satisfied with the 1894C.

kmrcstintn
February 9, 2008, 10:22 PM
update...weird part breakage happened today...

I am somewhere between 750 to 1000 rounds thru my Marlin 1894C and I am going thru a box of 50 rounds (158 gr factory stuff) and I notice that the foreend is loosening up and moving forward on the barrel under recoil...I'm thinking WTH is going on here?!? this gun has very little recoil so why is the foreend moving...took a closer look :uhoh:

the retention band that goes around and the foreend has a screw that keeps it attached to the foreend...the longer part that doesn't have threads is broken off :what:

after returning home I go to loosen the screw and the head of the screw sheers off and now I have no way to remove the retention band or the foreend :banghead: I tried to use a really small drill bit to start gutting a new groove into what's left of the screw head...no luck...must be a wood bit :cuss:

so now a cheap $3 part that fails will cost me outrageous gunsmith charges :mad: there's also an area on the mag tube that got gouged right thru the bluing, so now I gotta watch rust development until I can get the damned rifle to a shop; what a weird part to break...definitely gonna get extras ordered when the smith gets a replacement part

gc70
February 24, 2008, 11:22 AM
I bought an 1894 Cowboy .357 a while back. There must be some relationship between how much fun I have with the 1894CB and not taking time out of the fun to make photos of it.

Ratshooter
February 24, 2008, 02:00 PM
I have three Marlin 94s. A 357, a 44mag and a 32 mag. The 357 is my favorite.

A light load for my 32 is a 76gr lead bullet with 2.8 grs Bullseye. Its almost silent and gets around 1000 fps.

My hunting buddy has used his 44 for deer for the last 5 years. Thats a deer stomping round. Nothing goes very far after being hit.

JustsayMo
February 24, 2008, 02:42 PM
Ratshooter, is your 32mag a Cowboy?

Ratshooter
February 24, 2008, 03:25 PM
My 32 is a cowboy. Its heavier than the 357.

mavracer
February 24, 2008, 03:59 PM
got a 24" cowboy 357,it is great fun almost silent with 900 fps 158gr.

Ratshooter
February 24, 2008, 04:22 PM
I haven't read every single post here but some have mentioned rough feeding with SWC bullets. I had the same problem and this is how i fixed it.

For the sharp edge on back of the chamber i used a round grinding stone that is glued to a 1/4" shaft from the local Army&Navy store. I had an arrow shaft made for fishing that was split down the side. It will open up enough to slip the grinding stone shaft into and holds it very tightly. I cut this off at about 9" and now have an extended grinding tool.

Remove the bolt and slide the grinding stone in the breech area with the stone chucked up in a drill. Slowly spin the grinder to put a radius on the back of the barrel. You only need a little. My guns feed so smooth now you can't tell if your cycling an empty or loaded gun.

My 357 would scratch cases when i first got it. I used a slotted shaft with some very fine emory cloth and did a quick polish. Problem solved.

For those that have a gun that jams take your gun apart and clean it. Any grit or burrs will let the lifter stay up after cycling and this jams the gun.

I have a 30-30 that i cut a new slot in the scope base for and i let some of the aluminum fillings get in the action. When i got to my deer stand i loaded the gun and worked the lever. The gun jammed so bad i had to pack up and go home. To unjam the gun i had to remove the magazine plug and dump the ammo. I disassembled the gun and cleaned. No more problems since.

LlanoEstacado
February 24, 2008, 07:40 PM
Ratshooter, have you had feeding problems with hardcast flat nose bullets in your .44? I have been mainly shooting 240 gr. Win. SP's and they feed fine. However, I'm thinking the flat nose would be more effective on deer. The few I've tried seemed OK but were probably too heavy (310 to 320 grain) to shoot well. I have been thinking of trying FN in the 270 gr. range and see how they do.

Ratshooter
February 24, 2008, 11:15 PM
No Llano, i did the same trick to my 44 with the grinding stone. It feeds as slick as my 357.

My 32 did not need any fitting. only the 357 and the 44.

Bazooka Joe71
February 24, 2008, 11:17 PM
I got me a 1894s .44mag/spec last year from TnBigBore...I love it!

LlanoEstacado
February 25, 2008, 11:05 AM
"Slowly spin the grinder to put a radius on the back of the barrel.":confused:

I'm guessing you are referring to the inside edge of the back of the bbl.? Did you go all the way around? About how big was the stone (diameter)?

Thanks,
Llano

LlanoEstacado
February 25, 2008, 11:08 AM
"I got me a 1894s .44mag/spec last year from TnBigBore...I love it!"

Bazooka, congratulations! Lever guns are great!

Ratshooter
February 25, 2008, 12:01 PM
Llano the grinding stone was 5/8" in diamter. I spun it against a grinding wheel on a grinder to dress the sides down to .550 diameter so it would fit in the breech.

This is a trick we used to do in my dads machine shop to remove grooves from grinding wheels. One stone will dress another. Both were turning.

The round stone puts a radius on the back of the barrel all the way around. You don't need much. Only enough to break the sharp square edge on the barrel.

LlanoEstacado
February 25, 2008, 12:14 PM
Ratshooter, thanks for the info!

GBExpat
February 25, 2008, 01:49 PM
I found an 1894 in .44 for, IIRC, $225 at a gunshow in the Akron area back in ~1988 (to go with my 629).

Great little rifle!

I added an aperture rear sight and for several years used it for woodchuck eradication around the farm.

For a quick sighting check I would use a 2" round fluoro-orange adhesive sticker on a tree 100yds away in the corner of the drainfield and lean against the corner of the house ... and I would hit it with every shot.

Kalifornian
March 1, 2008, 10:54 PM
Hello all. Just bought my first 1894C. Being a resident of the People's Republik of **********, I will be allowed to take my baby home on March 8th. While waiting, I ordered sights from Tim Skinner of Skinner Sights so it will be here when baby gets home!

Nematocyst
March 2, 2008, 01:22 AM
Welcome to THR, Kali.

March 8 is just over a week away.
Worth the wait (regardless of annoyance).

Kalifornian
March 4, 2008, 03:32 PM
4 days and counting! :)

Kalifornian
March 4, 2008, 08:10 PM
Man, this is going to be a long one. I keep reading posts about how the .357 Magnum round is only good for varmints and small game. In my opinion, several people are getting caught up in the “Bigger is Better” bandwagon. The .357 was the first Magnum round. The original .357 Magnum loading drove a 158 grain SWC to well over 1,400 fps from a 8-3/8 inch handgun barrel. These loads were developed using bullet and powder technology available at that time. We have far better bullet/powder technology available today. For example, check out Buffalo Bore’s 158 gr. JHC load. It leaves a 4” S&W L frame at 1485 fps. The same load from a Marlin 1894C’s 18.5” barrel is clocked at 2153 fps with over 1600 ft/lbs of energy! Sounds like the energy out of a 30-30!

Some testimonials from earlier days: (Note: During this period in the 1930's, only handguns were available in this caliber)

1935
Major Douglas Wesson
• Antelope - 200 yards (2 shots)
• Elk - 130 yards (1 shot)
• Moose - 100 yards (1 shot)
• Grizzly Bear - 135 yards (1 shot)
The Antelope was hit the first time at 125 yards. It ran, stopped and was shot the second time at 200 yards. The second shot killed it.
The Bull Elk was killed with one shot through the lungs.
The Moose was shot in the chest near the base of the neck. It cut the 2nd rib, passed through both lungs, sheared the 8th rib on the off side and stopped just under the hide. No follow-up shot was required.
These animals were taken on a Fall hunt in Wyoming, near the West entrance of Yellowstone Park. The Grizzly was taken later in Canada.
The above game was taken using factory loads which were a 158 gr. bullet at 1515 fps from an 8 3/4" barreled S&W producing 812 ft. lbs of muzzle energy. (S&W later shortened the barrels to 8 3/8" as we have today)
To those who criticized, the Major replied that they "..had not the slightest conception of what we have accomplished in ballistics.." - a statement that still applies today.

1936
Elmer Keith
"When the new .357 cartridge and gun came out I gave it a very thorough tryout ... and found it had more actual knockdown killing power on all game that I shot with it than any other factory loaded, real revolver cartridge on the market.... (It) proved to have much more actual shock effect and killing power ...than any factory loaded revolver or auto pistol cartridge including the .44 Special and the .45 Colt..."
Sixgun Cartridges and Loads pages 29 & 30

1938
Walter Sykes
• Wildebeest - 100 yards - complete penetration, knockdown on the first shot.
His Guide, John Hunter (of "HUNTER" and "AFRICA AS I HAVE FOUND IT") wrote that the .357 was "the one and only hand-arm for African hunting"...

1938
Sasha Siemel - Professional Hunter in South America
• 6 Tigres - Amazon Jaguar's - using the S&W .357 Magnum
He wrote, "...It does all the work of a rifle and is light and easy to carry.."

WW II
General George Patton
He referred to his S&W .357 Magnum as his "killing machine"....

1980
Skeeter Skelton
"No automatic cartridge is as powerful as the .357 Magnum........Years ago I stated that if I could have only one gun, it would be a Model 27 S&W."
Skeeter Skelton on Handguns page 16

In an earlier post, someone asked if the .357 is good for boar. A 158 gr. 357 Magnum bullet at 2153 fps. is definitely good for boar. Don't trump the little guy just yet!

Levercaster
March 29, 2008, 11:29 AM
Has anyone chronographed the Remington factory .357, 180gr JHP out of the 1894C? What kind of muzzle velocity can I expect?

ChrisMG
March 29, 2008, 09:18 PM
Great post **********n, I saved it for future reference (i.e. the "Is .357 good enough for white tail deer?" thread).

Also stole the Patton quote for my signature. If it was good enough for Patton it is good enough for anyone. ;)

Nematocyst
March 30, 2008, 01:45 AM
I like that Patton line, also.

Kali, you got that 1894C yet?
What do you think?

My 65 is in the "hospital" getting a new hammer spring.
(I bought it used; somebody futzed with the spring,
so I was getting light strikes.)

But at least the 1894C is upstairs in the guard location.

Kalifornian
August 3, 2008, 05:18 PM
Hey Nematocyst,

My apologies for the delay in responding. I have been out of the country for a few because of work related commitments.

Yes, I finally got my 1894C. Installed Skinner sights and went out to sight her in today (been waiting for a long while for some range time). Skinner's sights are a marked improvement! Sight picture acquisition is instantaneous. It was really easy to adjust as well However, when I was cleaning her, I followed the manual's suggestion to keep the loading spring screw tight and so I tightened it and bang, the damn thing broke! Wonder if Marlin will consider that a defect and send me a spare screw.

Anyway, I like the rifle. And here in the PRK, it is the most "Politically Correct" assualt rifle one can have! And with 125 JHP, it is one bad ass home defense carbine.

Regards to all!

ECVMatt
August 4, 2008, 12:12 PM
I was very excited to find this gun at the local store. The XS stuff was on it when I bought it. I am thinking of adding a Aimpoint Micro H1 to this gun. What do you all think?

http://i338.photobucket.com/albums/n431/ECVMatt/levertop3.jpg

http://i338.photobucket.com/albums/n431/ECVMatt/levertop1.jpg

http://i338.photobucket.com/albums/n431/ECVMatt/levertop.jpg

http://i338.photobucket.com/albums/n431/ECVMatt/leverside2.jpg

Can't wait to shoot her at the end of the week.

Matt

BoneDigger
August 7, 2008, 10:52 PM
I just picked up a used 1894, .44 mag from cabelas today. It was made in 1971 and is pre-safety. The metal is in good shape and the action is smooth. The wood can use some work, but then I kind of like the "used" look of these guns. Maybe I'll refinish the stock later, but since this is a hunting gun, I'm not too concerned. An acquaintance of mine has a used 1894 in 357, only a few years old, and I was going to buy that one, but when I found the .44 I decided to buy it instead. The price was $300, which I felt was reasonable, and better than the $400 the guy with the .357 wanted. I thought the .44 might be better for hogs (and deer), which is what I plan to use it for.

I can't wait to get it to the range. I have never shot a .44 rifle, although I have owned .44 revolvers. It'll be interesting to see how she kicks. Cabelas also had a "returned" XS peep sight in their bargain bin, and I think I am going tomorrow morning and pick that up as well. It should make a good hog and deer gun in the dense woods of east Texas.

Oh, this gun also has the saddle ring. What models of the 1894 were made in 1971? Would this be a "c" version, or what? How would I know what model it is?

Todd

Snow Dog
August 8, 2008, 01:31 AM
Here's my 1894 FG and my S&W M57 - both in .41 Magnum
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v294/robs42mb/DSC00394.jpg

Mizzu
August 10, 2008, 04:53 PM
Just bought my 1894 44 Mag in Stainless, New from Dealer in Idaho. Everyone says that they are not being built in regular production and are getting hard to find. I bought mine to give me a single caliber combo with my Colt Anaconda. I love the way it shoots and it is easy to carry through the brush. Kinda suprised at the "rough" machining of the action tho. It Looks like something the Chinese built a few years ago.

papajohn
August 22, 2008, 08:45 PM
Add me as a proud member of the 1894 club, I have two, and LOVE them. I own an 1894C in 357, and an 1894SS in 44. The 357 gets shot nearly every time I go to the range, which is every week, sometimes more. Both my 1894's are Scout-Scoped, the 44 has a Burris 2X7, the 357 wears a cheapo NcStar 2-7 that has held up well. Both are capable of 1-inch groups at 50 yards with ammo they like, sometimes better, depending mostly on me. I don't shoot lead bullets through them, they do so well with jacketed stuff that I refuse to mess with the results I'm getting.

To me, nothing handles better than a short-action Marlin, I love my 336's in 30-30 and 35 Remington, but those are for more specialized purposes. The best things about the 1894's are the perfect balance and carryability, the easy mounting of whatever sight system your eyes prefer, and the cheap ammo they digest. A box of 357 or 44 is about a third of what the rifle-caliber stuff costs, and I like to shoot a lot, so they choice is easy. Either caliber is good for a lot of chores from a handgun, but the ballistics from a rifle barrel put them in a whole different league. If I had to choose (Gawd Fuhbid) one rifle, the 1894 wins hands down as the ultimate Utility Rifle!

Papajohn

greyling22
August 22, 2008, 09:01 PM
I"ve got an 1894c 357 that I bought off a gunsmith a few years back. It was his personal gun and he shot a lot of cowboy action, it is slick slick slick.
I just bought a 1894ss 44 mag today, and realized that I am very spoiled. it needs an action job badly. Is that the kind of thing I can do with a dremel and polishing compound? clip a few springs? or do I need to pay some guy to do it?

76shuvlinoff
August 22, 2008, 09:22 PM
Not a member of the club yet so forgive the intrusion. I'm still looking for an 1894 in 357 that won't break the bank. I'm jealous guys, real damn jealous. Great thread!

T.R.
August 23, 2008, 08:33 AM
This Napa County, California buck was toppled with one shot from my 44MAG.

TR

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c146/rushmoreman/44MAG.jpg

papajohn
August 23, 2008, 01:54 PM
Greyling22, you are gonna LOVE that stainless model! You're already spoiled by the slickest little carbine you have, but I personally believe nothing is slicker than the stainless guns. My 1894SS was stiff and rough as a cob when it was new, but some judicious work with a dremel and a lot of shooting have made it the slickest rifle I've ever owned, and I've had some doozies. The first thing I recommend is to re-shape the top and front of the hammer, the bolt overcocks it by quite a bit, and if you do it right, it makes a huge difference.

You might also want to go to the Marlin-Owners website, my home forum, the reference library there is unparalleled, and the people are great. http://www.marlinowners.com/forums/index.php/board,121.0.html

This is another good place to look around.............
http://www.marauder.homestead.com/files/TUNING_M_1894.htm

Have fun with it!

Papajohn

greyling22
August 23, 2008, 01:59 PM
hey cool, thanks.

Mountie855
August 23, 2008, 09:35 PM
Guess I'd better break my 1894C (I think- haven't seen it in years!) 357 safe queen out and apply for membership!

Now looking for an 1894SS in 44mag...

papajohn
August 23, 2008, 10:41 PM
Every time I shoot one of my 1894's, I am quite convinced it's the Bee's Knees, and there is no better gun to have. Then I shoot the other one, and I feel the same way! If I had to choose one over the other..........I'd just cry. I'm pretty sure I couldn't do it!

PJ

greyling22
August 30, 2008, 02:09 PM
well, I've polished and trimmed here and there and my 1894ss is much improved, but not near as slick as my professionally done my 30k+ round 1894c. I've got a little more to do, but I"m guessing there is no substitute for working the action several thousand times. now, must....find...range... :)

papajohn
August 30, 2008, 02:34 PM
Cycling the action will help, I spent about three nights in front of the TV, working the lever and snapping it to my should to blast imaginary coyotes. But shooting it is a lot more fun, and helps the parts mate better than just "cranking your lever". :neener:

Grayling, I don't know if you're a handloader, but if you're not, you'll decide to become one once you see how much fun that 44 is!

PJ

greyling22
August 30, 2008, 03:12 PM
oh yes, I handload. it's the only way I can afford to shoot.

Lashlarue
August 30, 2008, 05:38 PM
I have an 1894s bought in 92, shoots one minute of bad guy at 150 yds with 210 grain hand loads.. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v146/C5Sam/1894.jpg

streakr
August 30, 2008, 06:19 PM
Having already joined the 336 Club, I guess I have to join here as well.

I have 4 94s right now but have owned as many as 7! 2x357/38 (carbine and Cowboy) plus two more CBs in 44 and 45. I also have an 1889 in 32-20.

Here are pictures of my favorite, a 1970 44 mag carbine without safety that I sent to Marlin 10 years ago for conversion to a Cowboy. [Note: This is still a great bargain if you have an older 336 or 94]

Later I had it case colored, a heat treatment that leaves it looking like it came out of the factory in 1894.

streakr
83907

83908

greyling22
August 30, 2008, 06:33 PM
this is the point that the bolt locks the hammer down. the hammer still gets pushed a 1/8" or so down before the cam on the bolt clears free. I bought the gun slightly used and they tried to grind the hammer down some, I polished it off and ground a little bit more, and here we are.

should I grind even further down? or just leave well enough alone?

streakr
August 31, 2008, 08:05 PM
Greyling:

Leave it alone. That little block prevents the bolt from falling out and losing the ejector. A slightly lighter hammer spring will make it easier to cock the ahmmer back to clear the bolt.

s

76shuvlinoff
August 31, 2008, 10:30 PM
Yet another question as I surf the web looking for "my" lever rifle. What makes it an 1894 vs 1894C vs 1894 Cowboy? I am narrowed down to 1894 Marlin with .357 mag as a cartridge for my uses. Is there more to the octagonal barrel then the asthetics? Does 18" barrel lose velocity/accuracy to 20" in these rifles with .357 cartridges?

ok, I know that was more than one question. :o

Mark

JustsayMo
September 1, 2008, 02:53 PM
The octagon barrels add a little weight. They sure look purdy though...

Generally a longer barrel is easier to shoot with iron sights. The velocity loss in the shorter barrel isn't much with the pistol calibers. The report will be slightly louder with the shorter barrel.

streakr
September 1, 2008, 07:20 PM
The 357 Cowboy is now a 20" octagonal with the Ballard rifling and better sights. It will cost more but is well worth it.

s

76shuvlinoff
September 1, 2008, 08:35 PM
thanks guys,

greyling22
September 1, 2008, 09:48 PM
I prefer my 'C. it's light and handy. the cowboy seems too heavy out front. but that's just and opinion. get both :)

76shuvlinoff
September 18, 2008, 01:39 PM
Picked this 1894 357 carbine up today. Bought it from a member here and did a face to face transfer this morning. As far as I can gather it's from 1979, looks unused and flawless, I don't think it's really even broken in. I fed it 15 38 spcls and 10 357 mag cartridges but ran out of time. Just as accurate as my 39A at 40 yrds but unfortunately I didn't get a chance for longer attempts.
My wife likes my 22s but is not comfortable with my semi auto sidearms and the 870 12 gauge is no place to jump to from the rimfires. I can't wait to see her shoot this one.

I am indeed a happy happy camper right now and grinning like an idiot.

streakr
September 18, 2008, 03:14 PM
76:

Nice wood on that carbine! Looks like a presafety model. Congrats on your find.

Be safe and enjoy. Marlins are the best lever actions ever made!

streakr

Smaug
September 23, 2008, 09:51 PM
I sent this information as a personal message to a member in this thread. He suggested I post it here for all to see.

One of my local gun shops has a used Marlin 336 in 44 Magnum. Yes, that's right, I had to double-check it too. It looks just like the 30-30 version, but it is in fact a 44 Magnum. I prefer the solid receiver of the 336 to the somewhat open receiver of the 1894.

But this rifle was probably only in about 75% condition, had both sling swivel studs broken off, and he was asking $500 on consignment. After hearing that, I shirked away, even when he said he might be able to do something with the price. (he'd have to do a LOT...)

Anyway, I thought some of you might be interested to hear that.

I don't have an 1894 yet. It is next on the list after my Ruger SP-101.

yotesmoker
September 24, 2008, 07:10 AM
Want to get a 357 marlin to go with my 686.I shoot only lead in 357,should I worry about leading the marlin.How fast can I shoot 357 without leading the bbl?

JustsayMo
September 24, 2008, 11:37 AM
Yotesmoker, property sized and lubed lead bullets will work fine in your Marlin. If you want to push em' real fast use gas checked bullets.

Kentucky-roughrider
October 11, 2008, 07:39 PM
Can anyone tell me about the 1894P and was it available in 45 Colt? If so how much would one cost to day.

jkingrph
November 1, 2008, 08:22 PM
I have had a 1984 cowboy in 44 mag for several years now, added a Marbles tang sight .

The wife told me to go pick up a little cl model (32-20) we saw in a nearby Gander Mountain last Sat. Makes for a nice birthday present.

kount_zer0
November 3, 2008, 12:43 AM
OK I'm in.

1894 Big 5 "edition" in 45 Colt. it goes well with my RBH in same caliber, except its chamber is larger than the RBH, so it works the brass more than I'd like.

Undisclosed load gets a 265WFN gas-checked lead bullet to 1450fps from said weapon, which was enough to pass thru about 30" of elk only a 2 weeks ago. My first elk, so you might say I like this rifle. This is one of those 45 Colt loads one should not attempt in Colts or replicas thereof, but it's good for 2" groups on average at 100yds with said bullets ( optics used ). The jacketed fodder will do better, but lever guns are inherently innacurate right?:neener: My hunting setup uses a Skinner peep sight, I pulled the glass after load development was done.

Anyway, I can't think of a better "brush gun" right now since mine is still all aglow!:D

My hunting buddy has the CB in the same caliber and got his elk with his using the same load. No bullets were recovered despite one going through both upper foreleg bones and the ribs twice. Those foreleg bones are the size of a quarter folks. Less meat damage than on the third elk in our party which fell to the classic 180gr 30-06.

OK I think you know how much I like mine.

RippinSVT
November 3, 2008, 04:57 AM
Add me this club, too! I've got an older pre-safety 1894 in .44Mag. I tell ya, that thing is INCREDIBLY accurate. At 75yds with open sights, I was punching ragged holes! I just couldn't believe it shot that well with some old 1970's factory Remington ammo I had.

Kentucky Kernel
November 3, 2008, 05:04 PM
Ah yes. I just joined the club with a brand new 1894C, from Borders Sporting Goods in eastern Kentucky. Even bought a few boxes of Horneday's Leverevolution 357 ammo. Good times!

KK

Mountie855
November 3, 2008, 09:12 PM
With reference to my 23 August 2008 post, I am now the proud owner (until my wife requisitions it! ;-) of a Marlin 1894 SS 44 Mag. I will set it next to its blued sibling in 357.

Permission to come aboard?

bearmgc
November 3, 2008, 09:14 PM
Got an old one, 44mag, duracoated, with smooth as silk action. Its my truck gun.

Infidel Cowboy
December 3, 2008, 08:20 PM
Can I play? Mine (1894c) should be be here tomorrow!

Envisaged
December 3, 2008, 08:25 PM
Have had mine for many years. My 5 year old daughter shot it with "cat sneeze" loads.

It is a must have rifle IMHO.

Asherdan
December 4, 2008, 11:52 AM
OK, I'm in. 1894 in 44mag with a Weaver K2.5 mounted. Had to give up on the Williams peeps finally due to eyeballs. This is from my overlook spot this year where I spotted the muley I finally took.

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z120/Asherdan93/Drop081025075.jpg

Wanta B
December 4, 2008, 06:26 PM
I have a sweet little 1894 ss-ltd 16" 357,black gray laminate stocks,fire sights and custom picatiny rail with an Eotech mounted so irons can be used too.Fast,compact and great ammoe availibility.

cjbecker
January 9, 2009, 08:05 AM
I am not a owner of a 1894 but I am looking and hoping for some advice. I have a 1951 39a that was handed down to me when my grandpa died and i have been shooting that for a few months. It is in perfect condition and don't really what to take it to the woods and shoot because it might get banged up. Again it is in perfect condition. So i am looking to replace it with a 1894 so i can start reloading for my S and W 38 special pistol and the 1894. I wont really be hunting with it besides the accessional small animal. It will mostly be used to just plinking. Do you think that i should just get another 39a for plinking or step up to the 1894 in .357 and 38 special. If it start reloading how much will the 1894 cost to shoot vs the 39a. Want is the going price for a used 1894 in 357 and 38 special.

thanks.

JustsayMo
January 9, 2009, 09:50 AM
Inexpensive 22lr ammo around here is ~$0.02-$0.03 per shot.

Reloading cost will depend what you can get projectiles for. Casting your own with lead scrounged from scrap you can make bullets for the cost of your time and ~ $100 worth of equipment. If you buy your bullets they cost goes up significantly.

Brass for 38 and 357 is usually free or cheap if you haunt ranges or know guys that shoot that caliber. Primers are going to cost ~$0.03 each in bulk. Powder will be around $0.03 per charge and bullets will cost you around a dime each (more AND less expensive are available commercially). Not counting the investment in tools ~$150-250 to get started or your time ammo will cost you ~$16/100 rounds or about 5 times as much as rimfire ammo. It has been a while since I checked but I think 38 ammo is about twice that commercially.

Another thing to consider is that reloading larger calibers such as 44 and 45 aren't going cost that much more once you own the brass. I can reload 30-30 plinkers for less than a dime. My point being that if you reload, you aren't caliber restricted in as far as economy goes.

If you have a Big 5 sporting goods store in your area they regularly have 1894's in 44 & 38/357 with the Birch Stock for under $400 new. Used with Walnut stocks I've seen as low as $325 up to $450 depending on condition and caliber. 38/357's seem to command a little more around here.

An 1894 in 38/357 is a versatile tool. It is also comparatively economical to shoot as far a centerfires go. I don't think there is a wrong answer.

Good luck with whatever you decide.

cjbecker
January 9, 2009, 06:03 PM
hey thanks for the good reply. I have a marlin 336 30-30 at my house, it is my step grandpa's it is fun to shoot but it is definitely not a plinker for me. I will not be killing animals that much so I dont need a powerful gun, but i want something with more power than a .22. How is the trajectory of a .22LR vs a 38 special.

kmrcstintn
January 9, 2009, 08:38 PM
just an update...Marlin's barrel bands leave a very bad taste in my mouth or I have the ****tiest luck in the world!!!

first off...my 1894 that started this thread last year...less than 500 rounds thru the rifle...the threaded peg (that sandwiches between the barrel and magazine tube and holds the barrel band in place) broke in half and my foreend is nearly halfway up the barrel toward the muzzle :cuss:

took it back to initiate a repair and decided to use it as trade in fodder on a Marlin 336 in .30-30 (better terminal ballistics and increased effective range); took the 336 out for it's third session and final sighting before deer season shooting from a varmint rest...you'll never guess what caused problems again; yep the entire barrel band is so large that it swings back and forth on the threaded peg...if it's this weak from 4 shots off a varmint rest, how in the hell am I suppossed to trust it to: 1) retain the forearm, 2) be a secure mounting point for my sling, and 3) withstand the weight of the rifle, scope, and ammunition on the buttstock sleeve while being raised and lowered from my treestand over and over during deer season?!?

back to the shop it went & got in-store credit that I used for ammo purchases for a few months; what the hell happened to Marlin's QA?!? :cuss: :banghead:

as much as I used to like Marlin lever action rifles, if I ever get another .30-30 I am going for a Mossberg 464 in .30-30!!!

cjbecker
January 12, 2009, 09:10 PM
Well I have decided on getting a 1894 .357, but the only thing is, what are the differences in the pre-safety models and the post safety models. Is the only difference is the safety. Is there a reason that I should try to get a pre-safety or just buy a new one. thanks

salvo
January 13, 2009, 01:03 AM
kmrcstintn one thing about Marlins, or lever guns in general, got to keep the screws snug.
Reports from Mossberg 464 owners have not been good, broken extractors, barrel band screws and feeding issues seem to be the major gripes.

Thought I would get in on the 1894 club with my CB in .357 Been a very good and accurate rifle and I really like the octagon barrel.

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d71/SeaOx/Marlin%201894CB%20Limited/IMG_6540.jpg

JustsayMo
January 13, 2009, 09:02 AM
cjbecker, get whichever one you can get your hands on. There is a kit available that lets you remove the safety and replace it with a screw. Looks good and functions fine. I've not installed any on mine but I have pards that swear by them.

I've left the safety's on my mine. I've not found it to be a major inconvenience though I have dropped the hammer a few times with only a metallic ping and no boom ... the extra safety is nice when unloading

cjbecker
January 13, 2009, 11:41 PM
Well today I went to look for some 1894 is 357 and actually found one for 500$, but i decided that i am going to get the cb version because I dont like how the stock feels because of the checkering. The gun feels good and points good and just feels like a extension of the body.

Want is a average price on a regular version and the cb version?

JustsayMo
January 14, 2009, 09:44 AM
Around here new CB's are about $650, used about $100 less. Might take some shopping to find them though.

43171C
January 14, 2009, 05:32 PM
About 45 years ago I had a Winchester model 1892 in 38x40 I believe it was. The barrel was pretty well shot out and I (as I had aquired it) swapped it off at a gun show. In later years I began to wish I had it back to have it converted to .38/.357 but never found another anywhere near what I would pay for one to convert.

Well about 2 months ago, I walk in to my local gun shop and there on the rack is a Marlin 1894C in .38/.357. It had just been left by another fellow to see if he could find a buyer. Well, no second thoughs, I shelled out the $275 asking price and brought that little beauy home.

A few days later, I drove up to the range which is only about a mile and a half from the house. There were a few friends there on the range so I joined in. I fired a few .38 rounds and was supprised at the lack of recoil, not much difference that a .22LR. I let a friend who was shooting .357 handloads and he shot a few rounds. I will note here that at first try, some of his handloads were a little long and did not want to feed. I was about to leave and he insisted I try a few rounds of his .357 handloads so I thought what the heck.

With no target set up, I drew a bead on a rock about the size of a basketball on the furtherest bank and let fly. Hit right at the bottom of rock. Fired the next 2, same place and the 4th, couldn't see where it hit. Either hit the rock or missed the whole bank as no dirt flew. A lot of difference in the commercial .38 and the .357 handloads. I believe the .357 handloads I fired would make a very good gun for deer hunting here where I live as most shots are well within the 100 yard range.

Just my thoughts on this fine little lever gun, I love it.

J.C.

701
January 16, 2009, 12:35 PM
I have the opportunity to pick up a marlin 1894cs 357 /38 for 400.00. Does anyone have any pro cons etc?

davera
January 16, 2009, 01:21 PM
701 - that is a pretty good current price on a rifle that is sometimes hard to find. I paid $325 in 2003 for mine. Min is plenty fun and easy to shoot, more accurate than me. In .357 it's a credible home defense carbine. In .38 special it's a not too expensive plinker.

It's a little sensitive to ammo OAL but I've never had a problem with factory ammo. Only once has it jammed and that was with some cheap range reloads.

In the words of Kim du Toit (paraphrased) "if you have a .357 handgun and don't buy this, baby vulcan will cry"

shawns
January 29, 2009, 11:13 PM
Just bought a 1894ss in 44mag. Trying to decide between traditional scope mount or guide scope set-up. Any info, ideas, opinion, or pics would be great.

Thanks,
Shawn

PUPP86
January 31, 2009, 09:40 PM
Been looking at these for awhile and I think I have decided on the 357 version but still have a couple of questions.

The primary purchase of the rifle is for the whole family to enjoy and of course to have one that anyone of us could use should the need arise. Wife has handled one and seems to like it and I don't think she will be recoil sensitive as she shoots a Ruger SP101 with 38+P's.

So now my questions:
1) The only ones I can seem to find locally are all NIB or severely used. I am leaning towards the NIB but have read that the barrel rifling has changed. Any experience with the Ballard rifling?

2) On the newer ones the wood seems a little "cheap" but the dealers insist its American Walnut. Any one have complaints with it?

3) Not that the rifle would get a steady diet of them but we use Remington Golden Sabers in 38 +P in our revolvers. Could the Marlin handle the same?

4) I have quite a bit of Winchester White Box 38's on hand for the range. They are 130gr FMJ's but the nose is flat. Any problem using them in the Marlin?

Thanks in advance for any help.

Nasty Ned
January 31, 2009, 10:55 PM
Well I guess I got my 44 for less than anyone else writing here. In 1976 I believe it was a Wally World or maybe a K Mart was having a sale and they had somehow obtained several dozen blems. I had never heard of Marlin or anyone else selling blems but they had um. I paid $76.00 plus tax. Both my Son & I have collected several deer with mine and I also used it as a guest gun when we were members of a dandy hunt club in Florida, When I go it will be my Son's and he promised he would keep it forever. Shoots best with 240 JHP's. Lead is a slight problem that requires more clean up.

Mini30
January 31, 2009, 11:25 PM
1. I think of Ballard rifling as typical rifling; the type Marlin used before the recent return to Ballard was microgroove rifling. Micro-Groove was great for jacketed bullets, but not so good with hot-loaded cast lead bullets. More info here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marlin_Firearms).

2. No problems with or complaints about the factory wood on my 1894, or my 1895GG

3. I thought .38SPL +Ps are considered acceptable in any pistol or rifle rated for .357 Magnum?

4. no experience with that ammo.


Been looking at these for awhile and I think I have decided on the 357 version but still have a couple of questions.

The primary purchase of the rifle is for the whole family to enjoy and of course to have one that anyone of us could use should the need arise. Wife has handled one and seems to like it and I don't think she will be recoil sensitive as she shoots a Ruger SP101 with 38+P's.

So now my questions:
1) The only ones I can seem to find locally are all NIB or severely used. I am leaning towards the NIB but have read that the barrel rifling has changed. Any experience with the Ballard rifling?

2) On the newer ones the wood seems a little "cheap" but the dealers insist its American Walnut. Any one have complaints with it?

3) Not that the rifle would get a steady diet of them but we use Remington Golden Sabers in 38 +P in our revolvers. Could the Marlin handle the same?

4) I have quite a bit of Winchester White Box 38's on hand for the range. They are 130gr FMJ's but the nose is flat. Any problem using them in the Marlin?

Thanks in advance for any help.

Hanzerik
May 5, 2009, 10:57 PM
Old thread, but I joined the 1894 club yesterday. 1894CB Cowboy Limited in 44 Mag.

http://home.bresnan.net/~hanzerik/pics/1894CB/1894CB.JPG

Pine Cone
May 5, 2009, 11:20 PM
Hanzerik - Welcome aboard! Nice looking rifle. I really like the look of the older non-checkered stocks.

Get to shoot it yet or is your area having the same ammo shortages I find around here?

If I didn't reload I'd be in real trouble and I have the 357/38 Special version that I though I'd always be able to find ammo for. Guess I was wrong... Moving to cast bullets soon since you can't even get them anymore. At least you can still find wheelweights, but just wait a few years and they won't even be made of lead anymore. Time they are a changing!

Hanzerik
May 6, 2009, 11:10 AM
Hanzerik - Welcome aboard! Nice looking rifle. I really like the look of the older non-checkered stocks.

Get to shoot it yet or is your area having the same ammo shortages I find around here?

If I didn't reload I'd be in real trouble and I have the 357/38 Special version that I though I'd always be able to find ammo for. Guess I was wrong... Moving to cast bullets soon since you can't even get them anymore. At least you can still find wheelweights, but just wait a few years and they won't even be made of lead anymore. Time they are a changing!

Yep, shot it yesterday. And no, we don't have any issues with .44 Mag around here, it's about the only thing still on the shelf. I picked up about 150 empties at the range a while back, and have 100 rounds of WWB .44 JSP that I picked up before I even got my first .44 Mag rifle.

Reloaded 50 rounds last night; 200gr RNFP over 8grs of Unique. Nice shooting accurate load. I'm going to pick up some 240gr SWC which also shoot well in my Puma. Local bullet manufacturer has everything in stock, and gave me a sampling of his different .44 cast bullets to try out. Primers are hard to come by in bulk, I only have 950 left out of my last brick. I use the same primers for .45ACP, so I go through them kind of fast this time of year.

Here is my other .44 Mag rifle I picked up a couple weeks ago.
http://home.bresnan.net/~hanzerik/pics/Puma/Puma-1.jpg

Kentucky-roughrider
May 7, 2009, 12:22 AM
Why is that Marlin feeling it should make a ton of 1894 in 44 mag but only make the 45 colt in that cowboy model.

I want a round barrle marlin 1894 in 45 Colt is that too much to ask for.

20nickels
June 14, 2009, 10:22 PM
We have an 1894 club!? I'm in as of two weeks ago. NIB 1894c in .357. I'd post a pick, but it's nothing special to look at right out of the box.

20nickels
June 14, 2009, 10:25 PM
It will be a limited run to feel the market. Available through Davidson's I believe. Better get yer order in.

1858
June 15, 2009, 05:17 AM
BTW, Marlin is producing a stainless 1894 as of June 09

You mean another '94 other than the .44 Mag in stainless that they've offered for years? :confused: Do you have a link ... I couldn't find anything on Marlin's web site?


Why is that Marlin feeling it should make a ton of 1894 in 44 mag but only make the 45 colt in that cowboy model. I want a round barrle marlin 1894 in 45 Colt is that too much to ask for.

+100

I'd love a regular '94 in .45 Colt. I have the Cowboy Ltd model in .45 Colt and love it, but another in stainless with a round barrel would be HEAVEN!!

:)

35Rem
June 15, 2009, 10:32 AM
He is speaking of the 1894CSS in 357 magnum. It's about time they (Marlin) made a stainless 357. The ultimate utility gun.

Wayne02
June 17, 2009, 03:17 PM
Is there some sort of press release on this new stainless .357? I would dearly love to have a stainless .357 Marlin levergun. Did they used to make these in stainless or is this a net new product?

Thanks

Dr.Rob
June 17, 2009, 04:18 PM
Proud member since 2007.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=257896&highlight=1894

Impressed by the rifle's THUMP at a distance, though past 100 yards the drop is like a rainbow.

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