When I turn 21 must purchase hand guns!


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Nomad101bc
August 4, 2007, 03:05 PM
Well being 19 years old I am planning on saving up lots of money over the next 2 years so that when i turn 21 i can purchase a whole bunch of handguns at once. I wanted to see what you thought of this list for the must have ones. On my Army ROTC stipent of around 400$ a month should be able to save up plenty over two years. So heres the list.

PX4 in .40 cal since it uses the same mags and rounds as my CX4

Glock 9mm because everyone needs one

revolver with laser sights for self defense probably in .40 cal

.45 acp sig.

.22 long barreled semi auto for low budget target shooting

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CypherNinja
August 4, 2007, 03:38 PM
CZ

Either a CZ75 or a P01

Nomad101bc
August 4, 2007, 03:39 PM
CZ75 What hand gun is this I have never heard of one?

Mantua
August 4, 2007, 04:23 PM
Who makes a revolver in .40 cal?

Novus Collectus
August 4, 2007, 04:31 PM
Who makes a revolver in .40 cal?S&W 646
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=77400862

iamkris
August 4, 2007, 06:51 PM
Glock 9mm because everyone needs one

'cept me. I have 30 handguns and none of them have Glock on the side.

No 1911? Why? No the 1911 isn't the be-all-end-all handgun but it is a superb design...extremely ergonomic, reliable, great trigger (none of the handguns you mention have anything close to a good trigger)

Everyone needs a .357 Mag/.38 Special DA revolver. Power when you need it, extraordinarily cheap practice rounds when you don't. I'd dump the idea of a .40 S&W...seems like you've really limited the power that the revolver can bring you just to minimize the calibers you're supporting.

Single action revolvers are fun, beautiful and full of history. .45 Colt, .44-40 or a more modern caliber.

Where's your Browning/FN Hi-Power?

SIG P220 (assume that what you meant when you said .45 Sig?) Now you're talking.

CZ75 What hand gun is this I have never heard of one?

GAAHH! What do they teach our youth in schools these days? ;):) The CZ75 is one of the most ergonomic, real-steel hanguns made (will make you realize that Glock you want is akin to picking up a 2-by-4 and shooting it). http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg51-e.htm Czech designed during the Cold War. Copied heavily before the Soviet Union fell. Jeff Cooper even admitted that it was a fine weapon. Now one of the real sleepers in the industry as CZ-USA makes good distribution inroads into the US.

Samuraigg
August 4, 2007, 06:58 PM
Sig P220.

But then, I'm biased. :)

SaMx
August 4, 2007, 07:06 PM
I'm also 19. When I turn 21 first I'm going to pick up a .22lr pistol. Probably a browning buckmark, or maybe a ruger. Then I think I'll get a .357 DA revolver, either a 686 or a gp100. After that who knows. Maybe a 1911, maybe a surplus handgun like a makarov.

what do you think about those choices?

iamkris
August 4, 2007, 07:21 PM
SaMx ... to my way of thinking, you couldn't make better choices than those.

Dave P
August 4, 2007, 07:28 PM
Why do you have to be 21?

Don Lu
August 4, 2007, 07:32 PM
not sure theere is a such thing as a .40 cal revolver w/the ability to connect a laser, and why would you want to even if you could...

Samuraigg
August 4, 2007, 07:39 PM
Why do you have to be 21?

I'm pretty sure in my state at least (Illinois) you have to be 21 to buy a handgun, or at least buy handgun ammunition.

Hence why I bought my P220 this year after turning 21.

Lonestar49
August 4, 2007, 07:40 PM
Quote: On my Army ROTC stipent of around 400$ a month should be able to save up plenty over two years. So here's the list.

PX4 in .40 cal since it uses the same mags and rounds as my CX4

Glock 9mm because everyone needs one

revolver with laser sights for self defense probably in .40 cal

.45 acp sig.

.22 long barreled semi auto for low budget target shooting
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Personally, since you have the Beretta Cx4 and I suspect you really like it because it is reliable, no? Then I'd say your first handgun should be the Px4 40cal, to compliment that reason, along with the extra mags for either gun, or both, when in use. Seems logical.. ;)

And, on the 400 bucks a month, then your next gun (high on the list.. NOT) should be the CZ, since it should be there in black and white, and would fit that budget rather fast..

FYI, my Px4 40 has gone 4300 rounds with no failures of any sort, just 100%

Good hunting,



LS


PS.. the Sig P220, standard, or Carry model, is also a great choice, as mine has gone 700 rounds, no failures of any kind, just 100% as well.

And, as far as field stripping, inspections, cleaning, and reassembly, either the Beretta or the Sig doesn't get ANY easier, so simple, fast, to do, that should count for a lot as well IMHO.

sdra2007
August 4, 2007, 08:13 PM
"Everyone needs a .357 Mag/.38 Special DA revolver. Power when you need it, extraordinarily cheap practice rounds when you don't. "

Where are you getting your .38 Special rounds?? 9MM would be much cheaper to shoot a lot of in my experience. WWB in .38 runs about $26 for 100 WWB 9MM you can find for about $16 for 100.

+1 on a good .357 or .38 revolver.

Crunker1337
August 4, 2007, 08:57 PM
Federal law mandates that if you want to purchase a handgun from an FFL you must be 21.
Your state laws may have additional restrictions.

Federally though, if you want to buy a handgun in a private transaction that's a different story.

SaMx
August 4, 2007, 09:01 PM
That's right. I'm 19, I can own a handgun in most states. I can use one that belongs to someone else in every state (I think). But I can't buy one from an ffl. In some states I can by one in a face to face sale, but not all.

iamkris
August 4, 2007, 09:27 PM
Where are you getting your .38 Special rounds??

I haven't bought factory rounds for most of my guns in years. I reload for 19 of the 26 calibers I shoot...most of those that I don't reload for are feed via the surplus ammo route.

Next, my comment was per his desire for a .40S&W revolver...seems like a waste. 357/38 is much more versatile and less expensive. I wasn't trying to find the **cheapest** plinking round. If I was, I would have said to get a .22LR revolver.

MEH
August 4, 2007, 11:01 PM
Well I'm just about to turn 19, and I already have 1 .40, 3 9mm, 2 .38, 1 .380, 1 6.35mm aka .25 acp, and 2 .22 handguns. :D I just sold a .45, and I sold the third .22 a year ago... And personally the GLOCKs that I have would be the last handguns that I would ever sell!

So I would have to say that the GLOCK is a wonderful idea!

Nomad101bc
August 5, 2007, 02:53 AM
My state of residence is CT we cant even own hand guns without a concealed carry because its mandatory concealed carry. Crappy law but no one is allowed to tell you no concealed carry they have to allow you to lol. The glock 9mm is my fun gun lol. On ballistic gel the .40 S&W has the same damage size as a .45 but almost the same magazine capacity as a 9mm. Its the best of both worlds which is why I love it. I really want a wild west style break open revolver too but i have no idea if those are still in production.

Novus Collectus
August 5, 2007, 03:17 AM
My state of residence is CT we cant even own hand guns without a concealed carry because its mandatory concealed carry.Apparently this is not so:
A handgun eligibility certificate, valid for 5 years, shall
be issued by the Commissioner of Public Safety within
60 days after receipt of the National Criminal History
Records check from the FBI to a person who may lawfully
possess a handgun, who completes a handgun safety
course, is fingerprinted, and pays $35. The eligibility
certificate entitles a person to purchase, but not to carry,
a handgun. The commissioner must be notified within 2 http://www.nraila.org/statelawpdfs/CTSL.pdf

h0ss
August 5, 2007, 03:42 AM
Hello! Im 25 now, and bought my first gun (Kahr E9 9mm) when i was 21. I wish i knew when i was younger how much i was going to love guns and shooting, because i would go back and save up LOTS of money just like you are doing, instead of blowing it all on various stuff i didn't need and not having anything to show for it. At least guns retain their value well.

So i say, great idea! Get as much as you can now, you never know what your financial situation will be later, or what guns the gov. will "allow" you to purchase years down the road.

That being said, even though I personally wouldn't take anything on your list except the .22 and the Glock 9mm, i think you have a decent list so far if thats what your heart desires. I only own 1 Glock, a .45 acp Glock 30, and i love it. Want to get a G26 soon. If i could offer a suggestion or two, why not try a 1911 of some sort? No i do not own one yet, but i love my fathers original WWI Colt Army model 1911. I want to get a 1911 some day. I love the classic .45 acp round, and the 1911 platform is fun, reliable, safe, and beautiful.

I would suggest an all steel Kahr 9mm. The K9 model is great. After 200 round break in, they are smooth, reliable, and very accurate. Extremely ergonomical IMHO. My E9 is the "economy" version of the K9 and even though not everyone i shoot with has ever even heard of it, they all LOVE it after they shoot it. Nothing but praise.

Other than that, after reading the web and magazines and shooting with friends and relatives, im sure after a couple of years go by, you will have had no problem expanding your list. :)

Nomad101bc
August 5, 2007, 03:54 AM
Well i already went through my CCL class when i turned 18 as a safety precaution. I have the certificate and passed the test with only one mistake so at 95% but my gun store owner says i cannot. The people at the range do however allow me to rent all the hand guns I want since i have certification. My instructor told me not to worry as soon as I turn 21 he will gladly sign off for me when i show him my certificate.

I hear you I can tell you first hand i blew way too much cash over the summer on alchohal. Stupid friggin 6 dollar pitchers of beer and beer pong...I kinda learned though that drinking that much is just pointless and the money better spent at the range. But i needed something I had wasted all my efforts trying to date a hot Texas blonde who was outa my league, i had no chance to go to a range nor way to get there. Bottom line no firearms and no chicks makes nomad a dull boy lol so i did some of that stupid drinking crap. Binge drinking is retarded especailly because it causes you to put on wieght. My second luitenant was PTing me to death almost every day yet could not figure out why i was putting on wieght. :) Bottom line I wont be doing that stupidity once college starts again.

h0ss
August 5, 2007, 04:10 AM
Good for you. Drinking just wastes time, money, destroys your health and ruins your life. Thats why i dont drink. Only time is on rare or special occasions like when eating out with my wife once in awhile. I find that guns are more fun anyway!

BlkHawk73
August 5, 2007, 09:38 AM
purchase a whole bunch of handguns at once.

Remember, a multiple purchase of handguns must be reported by the ATF so buying a bunch at once will possibly raise a red falg. I've only heard of it happening twice, but they have visited the buyer questioning them about the multi-gun purchase. More of a check to make sure it wasn't a straw purchase more than anything. I'vemade a few mulit-purchases this year and haven't had any contacts though. I'd think it would depend on the number bought and the type.

Remember, it's not quantity, but quality that matters.

BlkHawk73
August 5, 2007, 09:39 AM
purchase a whole bunch of handguns at once.

Remember, a multiple purchase of handguns must be reported by the ATF so buying a bunch at once will possibly raise a red falg. I've only heard of it happening twice, but they have visited the buyer questioning them about the multi-gun purchase. More of a check to make sure it wasn't a straw purchase more than anything. I'vemade a few mulit-purchases this year and haven't had any contacts though. I'd think it would depend on the number bought and the type.

Also remember, it's not quantity, but quality!

Nomad101bc
August 5, 2007, 03:14 PM
Dont worry I am an eagle scout with no criminal record. Not even the ATF is going to be able to dig anything up on me to justify any sort of hassel.

Seancass
August 5, 2007, 03:40 PM
if you're buying a first gun, make it a 22. if you're buying two guns, make atleast one of them a 22. they dont seem very manly but it is way cooler to shoot 1000 rounds than 100 for the same money. plus you will become a much better shooter with you're other guns. my friends all have the bigger guns and my one 22 has more rounds through it than all of theirs combined. Everybody shoots a magazine or two through theres and then the rest of the time shooting 22. I am really starting to question if i need a gun bigger than a 22. i just love shooting it. Might need a 1911 and/or 357 snub to carry and a 454/460/500 etc to blow up elephants, but i'll always come back to the .22s.

Brian Williams
August 5, 2007, 04:49 PM
The only one I agree with is a 22 Semi-auto
Get a S&W 15 or Model 10
Some basic 1911 Cause every one needs one.
BHP

Neo-Luddite
August 5, 2007, 07:25 PM
Get the standard cap mags now and other gear you'll need now once you've settled on the models you're getting.


And yes, you will need a 1911.
a .357 revolver
a .22 target pistol.

You'll have the cash NOW--so buy quality. After my own 21st B-Day pistol buy, it took me 13 years to buy another weapon. Priorities change rapidly and quality firearms age gracefully.

Nomad101bc
August 6, 2007, 01:07 AM
Lol maybe instead of the .45 sig ill go with a 1911. If you read my list theres already a .22 semi auto maybe a ruger mark 2 will be a good chioce. I dont like the mark 3's because the stupid slide release gets hit everytime you shoot causing it to jam every 3 rounds.

gaudio5
August 6, 2007, 01:23 AM
yea watch that to many and the atf will be in your rear end in a miniute

h0ss
August 6, 2007, 02:04 AM
I don't know if your mainly looking for only handgun suggestions, but i also want to mention that if there are any high-cap or "assault rifles" that you would want, asap is the time to get those, you never know who will be in office come '09, or what new laws or bans may come out.

Nomad101bc
August 6, 2007, 05:14 AM
Ohh theres two AR-15's on my non pistol dream list, also a desire for an AR-10 for some long range target shooting and hunting, m1 garand that takes strip clips not magazines. Two shotguns as well maybe even three. A tactical 12 gauge for HD, an over under double barreled with chokes etc. for clay pigeon, and the beretta extrema 2 looked pretty awsome, i would not mind maybe one black powder either since they do have longer hunting seasons but this is strictly hand gun.

boredelmo
August 6, 2007, 05:33 AM
So FTF's are out of the question? I own plenty of handguns and im 19 also.

Nomad101bc
August 6, 2007, 05:43 AM
No way to own a hand gun in CT without that CCL which you need to be 21 for.

JadeRaven
August 8, 2007, 02:29 AM
In Looosiana I bought my first pistol at 18 from an individual. I am 20 and I have owned a few handguns.

To hell with dealers. :D

Nomad101bc
August 8, 2007, 03:18 AM
Well unfortanetly my state of residence will remain CT. I sure as hell dont plan on making it Kansas where i go to college thier gun laws are worse than CT's. Any concealed carry owner in Kansas is not allowed to use a normal DMV only a state run facility otherwise they show up as a repeat offender. There are all sorts of gun free zones in Kansas too rather big disapointment to the rest of the midwest in terms of 2nd amendment id honestly say CT laws are almost better minus the asinine waiting periods.

kellyj00
August 8, 2007, 10:28 AM
lol nomad101bc! You remind me of me when I was 19 or so. I had a buddy who was able to get a hold of firearms at 19, so we went out to the country and shot off an old bridge into a creek with a .40 cal taurus pt. It was fun.

re your alcohol thing... you never outgrow that. Remember, at 19 you're having the time of your life, and when you run into your old buddies in a few years at the bar, you can always bring up that texas blonde that gave you such a run for your money.

I shouldn't give you advice, but I'm going to share how I did it. I left home at 19 as a freshman in college working at a fast food place. I bought a mossberg 12 gauge because I lived in the worst (albeit cheapest) part of town... the last gun I bought until a few months before my 21st b-day when I was at the gun shop and saw a Sig p226 w/ 3 high cap mags (this during the ban) for $475. Knowing the shop owner, he put it in the back on layaway until I was 21. I deposited $20 (all I had) and stopped by there every friday night on the way home after cashing my check and gave him a little more.

On my 21st b-day I took the day off from work and waited for the shop owner to get there just before 9 am. The first thing he says to me "happy birthday" just smiled like a possum eating grapes. He's got my gun laid out with a nice red bow on it, and the paperwork that I filled out the week before waiting for him to call in. He calls it in, and tells me to pick up a box of 9mm while I'm waiting.... I get the cheapest stuff he's got, put it on the counter. He looks at the sheet and says "balance is $40" so, I give him $40 cash.... $10 borrowed from a friend. I put the ammo back on the shelf and tell him that will have to wait. He gets confirmation and gives me the gun. then asks me what I've got planned for my birthday. Told him about my plans to meet up with my pals that night for a few beers and poker, otherwise just watching tv and playing with my new pistol. He says "well, why don't you go get that box of 9mm back off the shelf. don't say I never gave you nothin" so, I did. He then reaches into the register and pulls out $7. "range fee is $5 down the street, targets are 50 cents and hearing protection is $1 to rent. It's on us"

If you just save up all the money, you're not going to have the cool stories. It's more of an adventure this way, and it's definitely more fun to reminesce.

MillerTimeLV
August 8, 2007, 07:16 PM
Thanks for that post kelly! I love it! LOL It was like sitting on my Grandparent's lap and listening to them tell stories! :)

Nomad101bc
August 8, 2007, 09:39 PM
Well I have already mixed beer and fireworks thats gotta count for something. I set off full mortars which are highly illegal in Kansas but I had bought them in kansas city Missouri out of the back of some truck. those were fun it was like having your own private fireworks show and you had the best seat. I was drunk enough that the lighter burning my hand did not bother me at all. We knew a good japanese restaurant that would not card so we gave em nice tips.

But id never drink were i concealed carrying and honestly will never touch a firearm if intoxicated not likely id be able to figure out the two little master locks guarding it for that matter. But more importantly drinking usually has rather crappy adventures. Like when a fat chick almost took advantage of me when i was almost pass out drunk on tequilla; lol thank god my friend dragged me outa the club...No i think i have had enough drinking adventures and if i get caught with it ever I'd be lucky to keep my ROTC scholarship.

Remember when I almost got college paid for...does'nt make a great story when among friends you know? But remember when i drove the ATF crazy purchasing 5 handguns at once sure does.

hotsauce
August 8, 2007, 10:31 PM
Buy all the mags and ammo you can now and save yourself the headache of overpaying later in case of another AWB.

Nomad101bc
August 8, 2007, 10:37 PM
Hmm buying the extra mags ahead of time is not a bad idea. The ammo idea is kind of odd especailly if i had to explain why i have all this ammo for guns i dont own. But buying certain accessories ahead of time is not a bad idea except I wont know which i like best so i wont really know for which gun i need more than two mags.

hotsauce
August 9, 2007, 12:20 AM
Find a range that rents guns and try out a few. Ammo prices keep going up and do not look like they will come down anytime soon. Also, a bill could pass limiting the amount of ammo one could buy or even have in there home at a time. Everyone needs at least one hi-cap 9mm in there collection. I keep at least 500 rounds of it and Glock 17 standard cap 17 round mags and 33 round mags are pretty cheap right now.

Nomad101bc
August 9, 2007, 04:23 AM
Well my next major purchase is looking like an Iron sighted Camp Perry legal AR-15 about 1,500$. Or a varmit AR-15 predator ment to take the lighter loads for small game that i could mount a cheap scope on. I have a bit more in my account than i had originaly thought so I should be able to purchase an AR-15 and these hand guns.

hamourkiller
August 9, 2007, 09:54 AM
Smith and Wesson Mod 28-2 High Way Patrol. As issued condition 4 or 6 inch Barrel. Will never wear it out. Gun Broker or Action Arms. Buy them before they are all gone.

Mod 19 S&W police trade in in 98% condition, 4" pinned BBl and recessed cylinder. Great revolver.

1911 quality clone .45 ACP

9mm Browning High Power (Classic and should satisfy the spray and pray demmon we all cary)

If you insist upon a .40 cal revolver get a Mod 57 S&W pinned bbl and recessed cylider, you will love it. 98% or better condition. Be warned .41 mag revolvers are addicting!

Have fun

Nomad101bc
August 9, 2007, 02:53 PM
Hmm that opens up a whole new can of worms magnums...maybe just one or two might have to be added. Only issue with magnums is no one will allow me to shoot them at thier ranges. My range wont let you because peices would start flying off thier back stop.

HippieCrusher
August 9, 2007, 04:35 PM
quote-
"Well being 19 years old I am planning on saving up lots of money over the next 2 years so that when i turn 21 i can purchase a whole bunch of handguns at once. "

You don't have to spend all of that money on just guns. Buy a few, invest the rest of your dough on something that will generate equity or interest so you can buy more guns later in life. You don't want to be one of those 25 - 30 year olds still living in your parent's house or sharing an apartment or trailor with a roommate. The earlier you establish sound economic practices, the better off you will be. Trust me. I was 19 once and decided then to take the road less traveled. It pays off in time.

tnieto2004
August 10, 2007, 01:36 AM
CZ 75 and Glock 19

Nomad101bc
August 10, 2007, 05:04 AM
Beuty of the GI bill is a i get a nice helper on my first mortage. Dont worry i got everything planned out and because my parents are well enough off they will help. For instance as soon as i make ROTC physical standards my parents are going to purchase a car for me. Might even pay for my gas and other minor expenses so the money they will save me will allow me to buy all of these guns.

never_summer
August 10, 2007, 10:21 AM
while your waiting to turn 21 you can have some fun with suppressors! I just turned 21 in january and am now throwing an swr shadow 9 on my 9mm kimber stainless target II, just got approved by the atf yesterday. Great thing about silencers are you dont have to be 21

Nomad101bc
August 10, 2007, 06:59 PM
I saw prices on silencers thier about 800$ a piece if i could I would probably get a 9mm silenced to deal with racoons and rabbits. Also would get a .40 S&W silencer for my pistols and my CX4 to deal with the friggin night rats aka racoons.

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