Kel-tec PF9


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jahwarrior
August 5, 2007, 11:34 AM
i need some advice. i'm in the market for a new carry piece, and a came across the kel-tec pf9. i just got a new position at work which means i'll be dealing with more suits than sweats, and some of the guys i work with warned me to keep a real low profile if i'm gonna continue to carry. i need something smaller than what i have now, and the kel-tec is just about the perfect size. anyone have any experience with this model, as far as shooting and caring for it? i'm also considering the taurus millenium pro, but the smaller the better. 9mm is about the lowest round i'm willing to go. thanks, y'all.

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gbelleh
August 5, 2007, 11:49 AM
I got a PF-9 a couple months ago. After about 500 rounds of FMJ and several magazines of 124 gr +p Golden Sabers, function has been 100%. It kicks hard, but is accurate and reliable. It's more comfortable to carry than a PM9 and holds 8 rounds. Check out www.ktog.org for all the good and bad.

It isn't the easiest gun to shoot well, and extended shooting sessions will beat up your hand. But, as long as you get a good one, the PF9 is hard to beat as a discreet CCW piece.

joesolo
August 5, 2007, 07:33 PM
look at a rohrbaugh. Very $$$ but the smallest 9MM you can buy. Have a look before you buy anything.

muscles
August 5, 2007, 07:43 PM
id take a look at the kahr pm9 if i were you. its only .02 of an inch wider and 1 oz heavier than the keltec pf9. it is smaller in length and in height. night sights are an option, and there are tons of holsters available.

the trigger is WAY better on the kahr than the keltec. i can hold great groups at 7 yards with the pm9. i compared the two pistols closely, and went with the pm9 for about 2x the cost. worth it IMHO...

9x19
August 5, 2007, 09:23 PM
I have a PF9 with the hard chrome finish... it shoots great, and conceals easy.

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b175/pb9x19/PF9-1.jpg

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b175/pb9x19/PF9-H.jpg

The Amigo
August 5, 2007, 09:37 PM
Mine with a factory belt clip installed, Very pleased with mine and with Keltecs lifetime customer service. +P capable 8 rounds no need for safety due to double action. It packs a nice kick due to the small and light weight nature. Very concealable however for pocket concealment I usually carry the P3at with some hot .380 Try to get a hold of second generation models the ones with the New style barrel. Like I said very happy with mine.:D

Papaster
August 6, 2007, 03:05 PM
I carry the Taurus millennium, and yes, you'll save yourself quite a bit of bulge with the keltec. However, I don't like the Keltec trigger very much. My friend carries one like you are looking at, his conceals real well, but he only treats it as his emergency ticket to get back to the 1911 in his truck. Shoot the Keltec before you buy, as I really thought I wanted this one, but went with the better trigger on the Taurus.

MCgunner
August 6, 2007, 03:46 PM
I can shoot 3.5" groups at 25 with the much maligned P11. If you can shoot DA guns, you can shoot the Kel Tec. I will assure you, it ain't the gun, it is YOU if you ain't accurate with it. It's not a 1911, wasn't intended to be. The trigger is long, but very smooth. I have no problem mowing down 6 out of 7 or 8 shots of 6" steel falling plates at 25 yards. If I can do that, I ain't gonna worry about a man at 7 yards. I can shoot it rather fast, too, though I am faster with my P90 Ruger. But, most of the speed of the Ruger is the longer, easier to acquire sight radius. When I fired the P11 in a couple of IDPA matches, I was only marginally slower with it. I shoot this gun very well and opened some eyes with it at the matches I fired with it.

gbelleh
August 6, 2007, 04:01 PM
The PF-9 has a much better trigger than the P-11. It's long, but very smooth and light. Almost as smooth as the PM9 I used to carry, and lighter and smoother than the PT-145 I used to own and most other similar DAO guns I've had.

I was very pleasantly surprised by its trigger, having owned and carried a P-11 at one point.

ShooterMcGavin
August 6, 2007, 04:26 PM
jahwarrior, I have been considering the PF-9 as well, so I spent some time over on KTOG.org. I recommend visiting that site. After asking some questions, one of the members who lives close to me offered to let me shoot it at the range. The short review is this... I am now more confident in my plan to purchase one.

It is a very small, but nicely built piece. It is noticably larger than the P3AT and it does not have the toy-like feel of its tiny sibling. To address your questions....
Shooting it: Many KTOG members have complained of sharp edges that wear on your hand after a few dozen rounds. KTOG has a how-to for sanding all these rough spots off the grip/trigger. It has a small grip, as you'd expect. If you have fat fingers, you are likely to only fit 2 fingers under the trigger guard (even with the mag extension). I have kinda thin fingers, so I can just barely fit all three fingers under the trigger guard (again, with the mag extension). With regular loads, the little 9mm has a sharper kick than my full-size M&P40. When shooting +P, the recoil is downright harsh. Accuracy is not bad for a gun of its size, but it will never be a fun range gun. Its accuracy is suitable for its intended purpose - close and personal defense. The trigger is just ok; much better than that of the P-11. Again, it is suitable for its intended purpose. If I am defending my life, I will be squeezing the hell out of the trigger, not analyzing the takeup. The trigger does not allow for a short reset; it must be released completely. This has cause failures from some KTOG members in follow-up shots. With such a light weight gun, limp-wristing could also become a problem. The sites on the PF-9 are quite usable for their size - they are made of plastic.
Caring for it:
The gun does not like dirt or the heavy packing lube it ships with. Clean it thoroughly when it is new, and often thereafter. It is a "limited use" gun. From what I have read, Kel-tec suggests its life to be about 6000 rounds. Use it enough to keep familiar with it - again, it is not a range gun. From the Kel-tec website: "the PF-9 will accept +P ammunition, however, not with continuous use".

From reading the KTOG site, it sounds like the gun has become very reliable with the recent updates. It is true that I would probably opt for the Rohrbaugh if money were not an option. However, for the price of the two guns, the Kel-tec seems like the better value.

id take a look at the kahr pm9 if i were you. its only .02 of an inch wider and 1 oz heavier than the keltec pf9.
The advertised width on Kahr's site does not include the slide stop. The difference in slide widths may be 0.02", but the total width difference is 0.1". With the guns side by side (a picture I saw), the PF-9 is noticably thinner. The attached chart compiles data from owner's, as well as advertised numbers.

Best of luck.

Babalouie
August 6, 2007, 06:44 PM
I purchased a PF-9 about 2 weeks ago for ccw after carrying a PT-140 Mil Pro for the last three years. I really, really like the PF-9. So thin and light...makes my mil pro feel like a brick. The PF-9 trigger is nicer than the Mil Pro and I thought the Mil Pro had a nice trigger, for a DA weapon. I find the recoil of the 9mm Kel-tec is about the same as the 40 PT-140. The big difference is that the Mil Pro being a double stack is much easier on the hand. All in all I am extreemly please with the PF-9 which will stay on my hip (The Mil Pro stays in the car now) The sucker just disappears in my Tucker IWB. BTW Kel-tec has a lifetime warranty and has a very positive reputation...in fact, I've not read a single negative regarding their service! Whatever you wear out Kel-tec will repair or replace. Not bad for a hard chromed blaster for $299! Man I like this little gun.

Joe Demko
August 6, 2007, 06:52 PM
I've been toying with the idea of buying one. A shop near me has a new chrome one for $279. Is that a decent buy?

The Amigo
August 6, 2007, 07:03 PM
Wish i could buy at those prices, I paid $350 for a blued one and there was 2 guys in a list waiting for these to show up:what: then again I live in an island. :banghead:

9x19
August 6, 2007, 07:14 PM
The triplets: P3AT, PF9, P32

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b175/pb9x19/KTx3.jpg

gbelleh
August 6, 2007, 07:18 PM
$279 for HC is a very good price!

MCgunner
August 6, 2007, 08:35 PM
If I am defending my life, I will be squeezing the hell out of the trigger, not analyzing the takeup.

This is true. My experience with the heavier P11 trigger is that it feels like a 3 lb tuned 1911 when you're in the heat of the moment and adrenalized. One thing I like about DA after my experience is that you HAVE to WANT to make it fire. Nervousness ain't gonna do it. It has to be intentional.

I won't carry anything, but DAO in a pocket for safety reasons, anyway, or a DA revolver.

Joe Demko
August 6, 2007, 08:39 PM
I believe I'll run over there tomorrow and lay that puppy away.

Joe Demko
August 7, 2007, 06:31 PM
Put half down on it today by phone. Will pick it up next week when I have the chance to actually go to the shop.
You can never have too many concealable handguns.

Babalouie
August 7, 2007, 06:34 PM
Please post back here with your impressions and experiences!

marshall3
August 8, 2007, 11:34 PM
I just got a PF-9 today, so I'm joining the club. The workmanship is kind of rough, but that is normal for Kel-Tecs, and doesn't mean it won't be a good reliable gun. I haven't shot it yet, but have five varieties of hollow point ammo to try. I got mine for $269.00 in Chattanooga. Here's a picture:

http://www.mouseguns.com/postpf9.jpg

Mossyrock
August 9, 2007, 02:44 PM
Gents,

I am looking at one of these to supplement my P3AT for pocket carry. One thing I like about them is the fact that they actually have usable sights (as oposed to my P3AT). Now, here's the question...sure the sights are easy to see, but do they actually hit to point of aim?

gbelleh
August 9, 2007, 02:53 PM
My sights hit to point of aim just fine, as long as I do my part. I don't practice with it beyond 7 or 10 yards, but it's plenty accurate for its purpose and at those ranges. So far, I'm finding it to be the perfect CCW pistol for me.

Breakdaddy
August 9, 2007, 03:57 PM
The Kahr PM9 is smaller than the PF9, not larger as was stated earlier in this thread. The size difference is why I went with the kahr to begin with. You cant really go wrong either way, IMO

Catbird
August 9, 2007, 06:20 PM
It's probably not all that important, however I believe that the PF-9 is ever-so-slightly thinner than the PM9. To the best of my knowledge, it's also a tiny bit lighter.

Joe Demko
August 12, 2007, 11:49 AM
Well, I couldn't wait and picked it up yesterday.
Initial impressions:
1. The trigger is much smoother and lighter than I expected. It's actually about the same as the trigger on my Keltec .32.:)
2. What a thin, flat gun!:)
3. The hard chrome looks nice and the slide itself is nicely made. No external tool marks or other blemishes.:)
4. Slide-to-frame fit is looser than what I am accustomed to on my other autoloading pistols. The gun isn't a rattletrap, but still.:(
5. It doesn't like Federal Gold Dot ammo. The design of the bullet is such that, when a round is chambered, the bullet actually engages the rifling. This caused no end of feeding and extracting difficulties.:(
6. The gun ran 100% with some hardball and a few rounds of other hollowpoint ammo with different bullet profile.:)
7. After you shoot it a bit, your hand starts to notice.:(
8. Didn't fire for groups, but had no problems keeping all rounds COM on a chest-sized target at 7 yards firing one-handed.:)
9. What a thin, flat gun!:)

The Gold Dot thing spites me. I still have half a box of the stuff left and the only other 9mm I have is a CZ-75 that I use as a range toy.

Anybody know who has PF9 magazines for cheap? Only one was packed with the gun and I like to have spares. Also, who makes a good pocket holster for it?

Catbird
August 12, 2007, 12:01 PM
5. It doesn't like Federal Gold Dot ammo. The design of the bullet is such that, when a round is chambered, the bullet actually engages the rifling. This caused no end of feeding and extracting difficulties.
Are you certain that your PF-9 has the latest generation (reconfigured) barrel?

Joe Demko
August 12, 2007, 12:55 PM
How can I tell? It's brand new and recent production.

Catbird
August 12, 2007, 02:30 PM
Somewhere on the KTOG forum, there is a very good picture of the new vs. the old barrels side-by-side. For one thing, the newer barrels have a slightly longer (different) feedramp. If you post a pic of yours, I can tell you which it is.

Babalouie
August 12, 2007, 03:35 PM
Keltec sells the mags for about $22. I really like my PF-9 too. Thin and flat...just like I wish I was:D Make sure you check out KTOG.org its a great site.

Babalouie
August 12, 2007, 03:37 PM
If its Hard Chromed it is latest production. For all the details you could want regarding the PF-9 visit KTOG.org its amazing the amount of info they have compiled. I think one of the guys is a Keltec employee.

Joe Demko
August 12, 2007, 03:39 PM
Went to the KTOG board. The barrel is one of the new design.

Joe Demko
August 16, 2007, 11:34 PM
Okay, after further research, I somewhat regret the purchase. I really didn't want a project gun. That's what this is going to be, though. The metal magazine release and magazine followers offered at KTOG are, essentially, must-have items. So, there's another $96 expenditure. Plus, I get to have the fun n' games of installing the magazine release. My time is worth something.
If Keltec had done this right and used the metal parts from the factory, I'd be happy. The gun not liking 147 grain bullets is trivial.

oscarswanson
August 17, 2007, 11:58 AM
Mine loves Gold Dots. :D
The only thing I don't like is how loose the fit between the slide and frame is.
It actually rattles when shook.
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y267/oscarswanson/guns111.jpg

marshall3
October 5, 2007, 09:36 PM
I finished my review of my PF9 (lots of pictures, too!)

http://www.mouseguns.com/pf9rev/pf9rev.htm

Catbird
October 5, 2007, 10:21 PM
I will be picking up my new HC'd PF-9 tomorrow. The price is $270 plus tax. I typically perform a "fluff and buff" on all of my newly purchased semi-auto handguns and I will not make an exception here.

I am anxious to try some of 147 grain Winchester Rangers (non +P) in the PF-9. If all goes well, that's what I'll probably use. FWIW, my Kahr PM9 performs 100% with it. If not, my next selection will be the lighter CorBon DPX ammo.

I don't really mind the cardboard box that is supplied with the gun, however I do wish Kel-Tec saw fit to include a 2nd magazine.

ak-kev
October 5, 2007, 11:28 PM
All my Keltecs have been perfect! I like carring them so I can keep the Colts safe in the gun safe.:D Anyway, Ive never had a problem with mine, they function great. I do however perform the fluff and buff on most autos I buy just to ensure reliability. They are not range guns, but shoot like crazy!!

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p266/james807/100_2935.jpg

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p266/james807/100_2936.jpg

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p266/james807/100_2946.jpg

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p266/james807/100_2938.jpg

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p266/james807/100_2943.jpg

tinygnat219
October 10, 2007, 12:35 PM
How's the recoil on one of these?

Catbird
October 10, 2007, 12:51 PM
How's the recoil on one of these?
I didn't think it was bad at all.

During its first range session (break-in) yesterday, I fired 100 rounds of Winchester "white box" in hour without any unusual discomfort. If I'm not mistaken, my P3AT (.380 ACP) recoil feels a bit more harsh, but it's been awhile since I fired it.

tinygnat219
October 10, 2007, 01:11 PM
Sweet!

Thanks, I might have to look into one of these more seriously.

KelTecian
October 10, 2007, 02:21 PM
I love mine...I have a blued one that has been 300+_ rds 100% reliable...I have also sanded and polished the feed ramp and it is slippery as hell.
I fluffed and buffed mmine after testing it with 300 rds. I am anxious to shot her again soon, although my hand is not so anxious lol

ABBOBERG
October 10, 2007, 02:50 PM
I have had my PF9 two weeks now. After shooting a mix of ammo (50 rounds total) the rails are wearing out - the aluminum is exposed and wearing rapidly.
As a result, the barrel slop in front has increased quite a bit. I can't say that this has affected accuracy, since I have not been able to get very many rounds on an 8" target at 15 yards anyway. For me it is definitely for up close and personal encounters. This is not an industrial-duty gun. My guess is that it is not meant as a back-up gun for cops; but probably will work well for the consumer on a budget that will not shoot more than 1000 rounds through it.

Due to the short barrel, you are losing 60 foot-pounds of energy compared to a full-sized Sig P226, when averaging 43 styles of 9mm ammunition.

The trigger pull is wayyyyy to long for me, although it is a very consistent pull the whole way. Right now the pull is still gritty, but that may work itself out before I wear the gun out.

Yes, the recoil is harsh, but I like harsh recoil; that is why I love shooting my .454.

I think that Kel-Tec has come out with a very low budget, low round count decent gun for the money. But don't expect it to hold up like the more heavy-duty guns.

ak-kev
October 10, 2007, 03:00 PM
You are exactly right! They are not range guns. I dont know how many rounds I have through my 3, but its alot. The great thing is.....if you ever wear it out (doubtful), keltec will send you ANOTHER one with your serial number on it for free!!!:eek::eek: There are reports over at KTOG of this phenom. Their warranty is simply incredible!!

gbelleh
October 10, 2007, 03:49 PM
I have almost 600 rounds through my PF-9 and the frame rails are fine. It's definitely not a range gun, but judging by its performance so far, I expect it to last a lot longer than 1,000 rounds.

tedburns
October 10, 2007, 04:04 PM
I searched the website under the Kel-Tec name only.

Under that name, they are not listed in the AG approved 'Roster of Handguns Certified for Sale' in California

Without speculating, does anyone know why?

alamo
October 10, 2007, 04:17 PM
Because their pistols do not have a manual safety and the company is not interested in modifying them to comply with CA regulations.

romma
October 10, 2007, 04:41 PM
Due to the short barrel, you are losing 60 foot-pounds of energy compared to a full-sized Sig P226, when averaging 43 styles of 9mm ammunition.

The trigger pull is wayyyyy to long for me, although it is a very consistent pull the whole way. Right now the pull is still gritty, but that may work itself out before I wear the gun out.

Yes, the recoil is harsh, but I like harsh recoil; that is why I love shooting my .454.

I think that Kel-Tec has come out with a very low budget, low round count decent gun for the money. But don't expect it to hold up like the more heavy-duty guns.

Yea, but if my life is in danger, and I point it a a BG and have to use it, It will work!
It isn't a range gun, I did not get one for that reason!

Euclidean
October 10, 2007, 06:21 PM
I got one of these recently as well. Round count is low right now, but I've determined it works just fine with ball ammo, and I've settled on Hydrashoks for a carry load for now.

It's a $300ish (give or take $40) gun in a major service caliber (as in better than .380) that is a true pocket gun. Its only competition are much more expensive products that really don't do anything to suit my needs better than the Keltec (of course your needs may be different). It's way smaller than the G26 sized guns, which is something I was looking for. Keltec found a really sweet market niche here that no one else was really addressing.

This would be a great piece for a LEO who was issued a 9mm service weapon as well.

I have heard that even the new barrel/chamber still has trouble with 147 grain loads, but that's really quite all right imho. This is not a service pistol, it's a pocket piece.

It's not fun to shoot, but it works well enough and the sights are very usable. Focus your eye on the front sight and you'll get it in the black. You could ace the Texas CCW shooting qual with it. I agree that tritium sights would have been a better way to go, but maybe the aftermarket will take care of that eventually.

I don't recommend it for your only pistol or for new shooters myself.

gwillis6
May 25, 2008, 03:27 AM
Question Why aren't any Kel-Tec's in California?
I searched the website under the Kel-Tec name only.

Under that name, they are not listed in the AG approved 'Roster of Handguns Certified for Sale' in California

Without speculating, does anyone know why?

Because you live in the Peoples Republic of California :neener:

denfoote
May 25, 2008, 04:17 AM
Mine had a strange malfunction.
Last week, I took it to the range.
All I got were failure to ejects!!
I took it home and posted the problem on KTOG.
One suggested I was limp wristing, I was not.
He also suggested some other diagnostics.
I really was not interested in messing with it.
So, I cleaned it really good, especially under the extractor, lubed it and threw it disgustedly into the safe!!!
Today, I took it back to the range and to my surprise, it worked!!
100 rounds, 100 gobangs, and 100 shots of spent brass!!
I still don't know what happened!! :confused:
The only thing I can think of was that there was something under the extractor that my super cleaning dislodged!! ;)

RX-178
May 25, 2008, 05:35 AM
Haven't had any problems with my PF-9. I can't say I /like/ the feel, but I can say I like it compared to the other similar-sized weapons I tried.

I liked the feel of this .357 magnum snubbie I handled before settling on the PF9 , and it would have a lot of stopping power, but you can't carry extra mags with different kinds of ammunition for different situations with a revolver, and that's just something I do when I carry (one mag of 'indoor' ammo, one mag of 'outdoor' ammo).


I /DIDN'T/ get the chance to handle a Kahr, however. The gun shop I went to did not stock them (in hindsight, I know I should've went to the other gun shops too to handle other options). And I figured the PF-9 was comfortable enough, I like the trigger, and it had an accessory rail (if anyone knows a help group, like 'rail-addicts anonymous', I'd like to speak with you about it... :uhoh:).

I may still purchase a Kahr to replace the PF-9 as a carry gun for warmer seasons, since I'm always in the market for improvement in my weapons selection, but with how the PF-9 performs, it's not going to be high on my priority list in any case.

denfoote
May 25, 2008, 07:08 AM
I like the trigger, and it had an accessory rail (if anyone knows a help group, like 'rail-addicts anonymous', I'd like to speak with you about it... ).


http://www.centuriontactical.com/tactical-light-x2.htm

http://www.insightlights.com/products-x2.htm

:evil::evil::evil::evil:

RX-178
May 25, 2008, 07:35 AM
Yeah.... I have one of those. :D


But... the Kel-Tec won't fit in the holster with one on! So why did I buy it? :uhoh:



...I'm an addict. :rolleyes:

Joe Demko
May 25, 2008, 11:48 PM
Okay, nearly a year later, I'll come back to this thread after getting a misdirected email from one of the contributors.
I did replace the magazine catch and the magazine follower with after market steel parts.
The magazine catch proved to be only a couple minutes work to switch out. No real disassembly was required, nor any fitting. The magazine floorplate was a couple seconds work to switch out.
I bought a synthetic pocket holster from DeSantis in which I carry the piece on a daily basis.
No real complaints, though I still think it would have been better for Keltec use steel or a better quality polymer in the catch and floorplate. The gun is holding up well despite regular practice with it. I believe the concerns about durability might have been overstated. Keltec came up with a good gun here. Not a great one, but a good one.

v-max29
June 17, 2008, 01:17 AM
what size desantis pocket holster? my pf-9 will be here tomarrow, im looking at that holster but need to know what size to order. Thanks, Dennis

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