If you had your CCW on you but forgot your license would you still carry?


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Cannonball888
August 5, 2007, 05:51 PM
I commute 45 minutes to work. When I got there I realized that I left my wallet at home. Not only was I driving without a license but I was also packing without a permit on me. What would you have done? Keep in mind I could not go back home and have the store open 1.5 hours late.

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springmom
August 5, 2007, 05:55 PM
Nope. I can have it in the car legally without my CHL, but not on my person without it. Now, mind you, I may or may not have, upon occasion, realized once I was back home that I may or may not have actually left not only my CHL but my driver's license on my bedside table.... :o

But not intentionally, no.

Springmom

Bazooka Joe71
August 5, 2007, 05:56 PM
When are you ever going to have one without the other?

aguyindallas
August 5, 2007, 06:00 PM
I am a creature of habit. If I break my habit...I usually forget something. One night when I got home, I didnt take my wallet out of my pants and leave it in my usual spot. Well...next day, I was almost to work (30 miles drive) when I realized I didnt have my wallet. That means no DL and no CHL. I was sort of in a panic and actually thought I lost it. For the day, I just put my gun in my trunk and hoped to not get pulled over.

This was before the newer laws we have in Texas where you can have it in your car, loaded.

average_shooter
August 5, 2007, 06:01 PM
If you were simply driving and realized you forgot your wallet/DL at home, would you pull over and call a friend for a ride home to get it before continuing to drive without the DL?

I've done the "forgot the wallet" thing before. I was just extra careful to not do anything that might get me pulled over.

billybob44
August 5, 2007, 06:04 PM
That depends on several things. 1-do you need to carry during your job? 2-when do the rest of the employees get there? 3-would want to waste 1.5hr of your lunch hr. to go back home to get wallet? If I did not need my firearm as part of my daily work, I'd just work the day, and not forget tomarrow. Heck I have did the reverse-left my 3032 Tomcat in my tool box, when I went home=remembered 1/2 way home-oh well box locked, more guns at home HA!!!

Scanr
August 5, 2007, 06:08 PM
It is legal in Nevada to have it in the car, so that is were it will stay till I get home. I can't carry at work anyway so it would be no different.

AlaskaErik
August 5, 2007, 06:18 PM
I would carry as usual, but that's no big deal. Permits are not required in Alaska.

hso
August 5, 2007, 06:21 PM
I had 2 spare permits issued when I renewed mine last time. One is in each vehicle and the third is in my wallet.

Autolycus
August 5, 2007, 06:26 PM
HSO what state are you in if you do not mind sharing?

Is that legal to do assuming I move to a gun friendly state? Like Florida for example. Having multiples of one license?

I believe that in Illinois it is illegal to have multiples of a drivers license.

springmom
August 5, 2007, 06:27 PM
Here in Texas, you have to have your CHL with your driver's license on your person. If I go out to walk the dogs at night, I take my DL and CHL and put 'em in my pocket so I can carry my handgun. Frequently end up dropping the licenses on my bedside table at night. That's how I can have the gun without the license.

Don't think Texas gives out duplicates, and with the DL requirement, it wouldn't matter much.

Springmom

MT GUNNY
August 5, 2007, 07:19 PM
I would switch to open carry

gezzer
August 5, 2007, 07:26 PM
Carried concealed for over 34 years on and off duty and have never been made. What would change if I forgot it at home even though I cannot figure how it would not be with me as it is in my wallet with the rest of my crap?

koja48
August 5, 2007, 07:41 PM
No; wouldn't want to incur any kind of firearms violation. However, since WA state is a presumptive open-carry state, I would remove the mag while in the vehicle & open-carry when out of the rig.

AK103K
August 5, 2007, 08:04 PM
Carried concealed for over 34 years on and off duty and have never been made. What would change if I forgot it at home even though I cannot figure how it would not be with me as it is in my wallet with the rest of my crap?
I agree.

Your permit is really just a "learners permit" anyway, so your ready for when they take the "privilege" away. ;)

DMK
August 5, 2007, 08:12 PM
In NC an LEO can run my DL and see that I have a legal CCL. I'd carry anyway, but I would turn around and get my wallet unless I was like an hour away or something.

B. Adams
August 5, 2007, 08:15 PM
In South Dakota you have to be in possession of the permit while you're carrying, if you don't it's a petty offense. However, if you're able to produce a permit that was valid at the time of the charge within 24 hours, the charges are dismissed.

So I carry as usual.

I left my wallet a home once a few months ago, but I didn't worry too much about it.

armoredman
August 5, 2007, 08:24 PM
AZ just changed the law for a CCW permit holder found without permit, is now a petty offense.


13-3112. Concealed weapons; qualification; application; permit to carry; certificate of firearms proficiency; training program; program instructors; report; applicability; violation; classification

...

D. A permittee who carries a concealed weapon and who fails to present a permit for inspection on the request of a law enforcement officer is guilty of a petty offense. A permittee shall not be convicted of a violation of this subsection if the permittee produces to the court a legible permit that is issued to the permittee and that was valid at the time the violation of this subsection occurred.

Geno
August 5, 2007, 08:27 PM
I would adhere to Michigan law. I would unload it, store it and go get my MCPL. When we had the attack in our Jeep, one of the first questions the dispatcher asked me was, "Do you have your MCPL with you also?" She meant the license, not the pistol. When I answered, "Yes, of course" rather shocked, she laughed and said, "Oh, you'd be surpirized how many people forget it."

Therefore, I say, this is a great thread! Thanks.

Doc2005

Guitargod1985
August 5, 2007, 09:05 PM
I don't know how it works in other states, but in Florida you can carry your firearm without your CWL and it isn't a criminal violation as long as you have one issued to you. It's probably not a good idea, but the only legal trouble you face is a fine - $25 I believe. It's a civil violation, sort of like getting a speeding ticket. In almost a year of carrying, I've never forgotten my wallet. Should it ever happen, I probably would not carry until I got my wallet back. Perhaps if I were in a shady part of town I would. IT all depends.

qwik
August 5, 2007, 09:52 PM
beentheredonethat i just open carry for a few :p

USMC6177
August 5, 2007, 10:30 PM
Turn my rear around and go get it all the while obeying the posted speed limit. I live in New York they would burn me like a witch.

shadowalker
August 5, 2007, 10:45 PM
If I were in my home state yes I would, although the license says you may be "arrested without this license" they are overstating things a bit, state law does not require the person to have the license on their person while in the state as it can be verified through their database.

larry_minn
August 5, 2007, 10:45 PM
In MN as well its minor. Max $25 if you don't have it with you. I do have spare (expired) DL and spare (current) permit on me.

Glockman17366
August 5, 2007, 10:54 PM
The main thing is to not act like an ass.
If you act like an ass...well, getting busted is your own fault!

PRazz
August 5, 2007, 10:57 PM
KY is also $25. if not on you. I like to think I'm worth more than $25 bucks. I voted carry anyway, though I've never left home without it.

SSN Vet
August 5, 2007, 11:08 PM
in both the states where I live and work, if you're issued a summons for carrying without your permit on your person, all you have to do is show up at the PD with your permit and the summons is torn up.

Jubjub
August 5, 2007, 11:09 PM
As usual, this reminds me of another pointless anecdote.;)

At one time I worked for a little electronics manufacturer. One Saturday morning, I stopped in to the building to spend a couple of hours painting my office. (it was a small company)

The owner was there, getting ready to drive to the airport. He asked me to go with him and bring his car back to the office. We get to the airport, he pops the trunk and gets out, I get out to go around to the driver's side. As we are back at the trunk, he says "Say, would you mind putting these in my desk when you get back.", hands me two little pistol rugs, and slams the trunk. I get in the car, toss them on the seat, and motor. As I'm driving away from the airport, for some reason it dawns on me that I had stuffed my wallet in my jacket pocket after getting some drive-thru on the way to work, and I had left my jacket at work.

No driver's license or ID of any kind on me.

I'm in a nice shiny Mercedes, unshaved, wearing stained jeans and a ratty old sweatshirt. The guy whose car it is is on a plane to I don't know where. Two mouseguns in the car, loaded (I peeked and they turned out to be a Browning and a Beretta, both .25). My afternoon plans that day involved a gun auction, so there were several hundred dollars in my money clip. At the time, I wore a nice old Rolex that was formerly my Dad's.

I could just see the conversation, should I get stopped:

"So, Mr. Jubjub, if that is your real name, you say the guns and the car belong to your boss, who you have no idea how to get in touch with until next Tuesday, and the Rolex is yours even though the inscription is to someone else, and all this money is yours, and this is how you dress at the office."

It was a long, slow drive back.:D

Hoppy590
August 5, 2007, 11:14 PM
honestly. i think driving with out a license is a bigger deal than carrying with out your license. i would obviously be totaly submisive should a cop come into the scene. but i just get the feeling PD's know those of us with licenses are not the people to worry about. how ever. id still leave it in the car just to be safe

CNYCacher
August 6, 2007, 12:27 AM
I would continue life as usual and in the event that I needed my CCW permit for something on that day, I would explain that I had forgot my wallet at home today.

I live in NY also and I can't imagine a LEO actually raising an issue over it.

230RN
August 6, 2007, 02:56 AM
I've got a "biker" style wallet that's chained to my key ring on my belt.

No wallet, no keys.

No keys, no go.

I can't even lock my front door on the way out without my keys/wallet.

(So watch, after bragging about it, tomorrow morning Murphy will figure out a way to defeat this marvelous system. Wanna bet?)

bpisler
August 6, 2007, 04:38 AM
Living in arizona i could just uncover and go
about my business.

XD Fan
August 6, 2007, 10:09 AM
I would just leave it in the car and hope for the best.

fletcher
August 6, 2007, 10:24 AM
I would just leave it in the car and hope for the best.


That was my exact thought.

StuckInMA
August 6, 2007, 10:29 AM
I'd make a call to the appropriate person and then turn around. I'd rather run the risk of getting fired than getting arrested.

If I was the "approprite person" I would post a checklist of must haves above the inside lock on my door to run through before leaving. I used to do that when my job required me to leave at 2:30am and I always ran the risk of being half asleep on the way out the door. Only problem was I never put "gun" on the list and I walked out with an empty holster once or twice. :( Had my permit with me though. ;)

CajunBass
August 6, 2007, 10:39 AM
I'd just take off my cover garment and go open carry. Assuming I'm not already open carrying that is.

imatt
August 6, 2007, 01:19 PM
I would follow the law.

scurtis_34471
August 6, 2007, 03:14 PM
Carrying without having your license on your person is a non-criminal offense punishable by a $25 fine in Florida, so I would't worry too much about carrying.

Neocode
August 6, 2007, 03:35 PM
Thanks for this thread.. I was unaware of the penalty for not carrying my license in Florida... now I know... so thank you everyone.

MattB000
August 6, 2007, 04:10 PM
For this exact reason, I wish someone would make a holster with an permit holder built in. That would pretty much elminate the issue unless you have more than 1 CCW.

cpaspr
August 6, 2007, 04:33 PM
Once -

Wallet fell out of jacket pocket (note to self, do not put wallet in outside jacket pocket) when I got out of the car at WalMart (dark night, parked far out). Landed on the ground next to the driver's door, but I didn't notice. Wandering around the store with my wife shopping when I realized I didn't have my wallet. I didn't actually remember specifically putting it in my pocket, so was hoping I had left it at home. Made extra sure that I didn't expose the weapon for the rest of the shopping. We got back out to the car and as I unlocked the door I noticed something white at my feet. Yep. My wallet, lying open. Nothing missing, so obviously parking way out was a good thing as no one parked next to us and found it. I was quite nervous not knowing where the wallet was, carrying at the time just ramped up the anxiety factor.

Twice -

Loaded my wallet and office keys into my suit jacket hanging in the closet. Then wore a different suit and forgot to transfer the wallet and keys. I noticed when I reached for my keys to open the back door to the office to go in. I called my wife to bring them to me when she went out, as I would need the keys to lock the office, as I would be the last one out that evening. Much less nervous the second time since a) I knew where the wallet was and b) I would have the permit before I left for the evening.

So, to answer the question, of the two times it happened, I kept carrying once and simply stashed it at the office the other time.

USMC6177
August 6, 2007, 04:46 PM
For this exact reason, I wish someone would make a holster with an permit holder built in. That would pretty much elminate the issue unless you have more than 1 CCW.

Although this on the surface looks like a good idea I think that having to reach in the vacinity of your weapon when a LEO asks you to produce it is probably a bad idea.

p85
August 6, 2007, 05:02 PM
I had this happen a few weeks back. As it happened, I was heading for the range to shoot a few and when I got there, I realized I had left the wallet at home. Young fella at the counter asked if he could help me and I said that I had left my wallet at home. Being that I am a very regular customer, he laughed and said pick out some targets and "do you need ammo?" I said I was fine on ammo and had him tab me for a few targets so I could shoot a couple hundred rounds. I thanked him profusely and open carried on my way home. (legal in NC). I settled my tab the following week. It pays to be a regular.

Sheldon J
August 6, 2007, 05:37 PM
Lets see... If I do not have my CCW with me then I do not have my Drivers license, Credit cards, or any money... in short my wallet is at home, and I am dead in the water as to doing anything at all, so I go back and get it.

obxned
August 6, 2007, 07:06 PM
Other: My permit is in my wallet with my drivers license. I would have to go home and start over!

StuckInMA
August 7, 2007, 07:38 AM
Quick question for the folks that have mentioned not having your license on you is a fine rather than more serious punishable offense.

Wouldn't it still go on your record and be flagged when you try to renew your license? Keep in mind I'm from MA (where a comma in the wrong place could get you denied in some towns) so please don't flame me too much if I'm out in left field on this one. Just curious.

Desk Jockey
August 7, 2007, 08:36 AM
I believe Colorado is the same as described above for SD. Permit required to be on you, but all is forgiven if you can produce it within 24 hrs.

So yes, I'd continue to carry.

230RN
August 7, 2007, 09:09 AM
Despite the chain mentioned above (post # 31), I always figured if I got my Utah non-resident permit, I'd still be covered here in Colorado in case my wallet actually did get lost or destroyed.

I figured I'd leave the Utah one n a safe place at home unless needed.

But nooooo....

... our dipdip Legislators took away that option in last year's session.

Lest the mere mention of political parties gets this thread closed or this post deleted, let's just say we've had a turnover in the Legislature and Governer resulting in a distinct turnaround in the Colorado government's attitude toward firearms.

And they've started their nibbling process.

"We find this legislation necessary for the health, benefit and welfare of the Poeple of the State of Colorado," my sweet tush.

Scat!

Carl N. Brown
August 7, 2007, 12:11 PM
My Handgun Carry Permit (HCP) is in my wallet next to
my Tennessee Driver License (TDL) and with my
money ($$$) so I would have to go home (no abbrev.)
anyway to get my wallet even if I did have my
concealed carry weapon (CCW) on me.

Sir Aardvark
August 7, 2007, 12:18 PM
This is an interesting question because in California I do not know what the repercussions are for not having your permit on you.
If this is written somewhere in the laws I have not come across it yet.
At a minimum, I can see it being somewhat of a hassle while the police officer ascertains your permit status.
But in the end, the fact remains that you do have a permit.

ambush
August 7, 2007, 12:28 PM
Where I'm from, the powers that be don't issue permits to us regular folk. The poll and question are moot:)

Myrdhyn
August 7, 2007, 12:33 PM
...grab the spare paper copy out of my glove box and stick it in my pocket
In Huntsville, they issue you a paper copy and you can opt to pay for a plastic copy...which i did and carry in my wallet so that I could leave the paper copy in my glove box for this exact reason.

romma
August 7, 2007, 12:35 PM
I have forgotten my permit while carrying, forgetting my wallet at home.

I did what I had to do.. ;)

MattB000
August 7, 2007, 01:22 PM
Although this on the surface looks like a good idea I think that having to reach in the vacinity of your weapon when a LEO asks you to produce it is probably a bad idea.

From what I've heard, policy around here is for them to immediately disarm you anyway.

miko
August 7, 2007, 04:14 PM
In my county, I have to leave my permit with the sheriff every time I buy a gun, to be mailed back to me - so at least for a week I have to go without.

I asked the sheriff about that and he said it's OK to carry without a permit - the permit is the paper that confirms the privilege, not the privilege itself.
He said that any policeman who stops me can verify my carry privilege on a spot.

miko

Mannlicher
August 7, 2007, 04:59 PM
I am sure that by now, someone has pointed out to you Cannonball, that in Florida, you don't need a permit to have your gun with you in the car. If you have permission from the boss, you don't need a permit to have the gun in the business.
I don't see what your problem is.

and again, to the respondents to the question; it sure helps to understand where you are coming from, if we know where you are coming from. Does that make sense? There are so many different rules and laws in CCW, that when you state that you can, or cannot do something, or that you do or do not, do something, knowing what state you are in sure helps.

Yakko
August 7, 2007, 06:43 PM
If I forget my wallet and am carrying, I can't carry at work, I would probably be with my wife. I'd just have her carry because she would have her CCW with her. :D

The likelihood of her forgetting her purse and my forgetting my wallet is minimal.

(My last act of forgetfulness was going shooting and forgetting the ammunition.) :cuss:

Standing Wolf
August 7, 2007, 06:47 PM
I'm required by law to carry my permit in Colorado whenever I pack iron; failure to do so, however, is a ticketable offense, and wouldn't result in revocation on a first offense.

Frankly, if you own it, you should be able to carry it however you please wherever you please whenever you please for whatever reason catches your fancy or no reason at all.

Sounds kind of libertarian, I guess, eh?

pharmer
August 7, 2007, 06:54 PM
I apologize if this has been posted already but Florida CCW law says carrying without permit is a non criminal violation and fine is something like $25 (as long as your papers are in order otherwise). I'll risk it. Joe

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