Savage 10FP compared to Remington 700P (cost is NOT an issue)


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clay_shooter
August 6, 2007, 09:14 PM
I looking to purchase a long range precision rifle, and my choices have come down to the Remington 700P or the Savage 10FP. I know that this is a frequently asked question, but most answers usually say something about the Savage being much cheaper, and little about accuracy of the Remy. Price for me is not an issue; I'm just looking at plain accuracy. Again, price is NOT an issue.
Thanks

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Heavy Metal Hero
August 6, 2007, 09:29 PM
I am a fan of the accutrigger on the savages. Although I think the Savages have a horrible stock. I would get a Savage and change out the stock.

bluedsteel
August 6, 2007, 09:59 PM
I would go with the Remington 700...a highly refined rifle you never have to apologize for, and the aftermarket add-on possibilities are nearly endless...

bluedsteel

Nameless_Hobo
August 7, 2007, 02:14 PM
I'd get the Remington. Mainly because I like Remingtons and the Savage isn't as proven. The savage just seems to be a discount gun to me.

686S&W
August 7, 2007, 02:33 PM
I have a Savage 10FLP. Getting a stock, let alone a left hander is a pain. Had to order a factory varmint laminate with new screws, set me back about $220. It's a nice rifle, I like the accutrigger, however I would recommend a 700 if you're going to put a bunch of goodies on it.

A 700 is like a Camaro or a Mustang, everybody and his brother has one and mods/parts are abundant.

MikeH
August 7, 2007, 02:33 PM
10FP is a discount gun with sub-MOA potential out of the box. It's ideal for people like me who are on a tight budget and don't care that much about brand name and accessorizing.

YodaVader
August 7, 2007, 03:16 PM
Again, price is NOT an issue.

Well then ,instead of the plain 10FP , why not look at the 10FP HS Precision? Will have stock that is MUCH nicer than the plastic stock of the 10FP. The 700P is equipped with the HS stock although the shape of the stock is different on the 10FP HS Precision model. Both will have HS stocks with the aluminum bedding block.

Either rifle should be a good shooter. I owned a 700P and shot one owned by a friend , and both were highly accurate rifles. Hear that the Savage .308 Tactical rifles are great shooters too.

I own a 700 LTR and it is the most accurate rifle I have ever owned but in .223. Also a Savage 12BVSS , very accurate , again a .223. The Savage out of the box trigger was very good at a crisp 2.25lbs.

Rodman579
August 7, 2007, 05:04 PM
i just reccently went through the same thing. i bought a Rem 700 VLS in 308 and a Savage 10 in 308 with Choate stock. i used the same scope on both and shot about 200 rounds through both guns after properly breaking in the barrels. i sold the Rem 700 because i could not shoot it as well and it had much more recoil, even after i had a HiViz pad installed. why it had more recoil i am not sure, i liked the way the HS Precision stock felt but i couldnt put more than 30 rounds through it without taking a break. the Savage i can shoot as much as i want and it feels like i am shooting a 223. anyways i think are both nice guns it just depends which you prefer. i am looking at picking up a Rem 700 in 223 today. but thats only because i couldnt find a Savage, lol. good luck

hksw
August 7, 2007, 07:41 PM
Well then ,instead of the plain 10FP , why not look at the 10FP HS Precision?

Or better yet, the 10FP McMillan.

Tully M. Pick
August 7, 2007, 07:48 PM
Both rifles will shoot better than the majority of people are capable.

If money isn't an object it's more of a matter of opinion.

Get the one you think looks better.

clay_shooter
August 7, 2007, 07:58 PM
Thanks for the input, everybody. I think that in the end I'll go with the Remington, but who knows, one day I might just have to have a Savage...;)

Thanks

MinnMooney
August 8, 2007, 10:25 AM
My opinion is : You can't go wrong with either gun.

That said, I own 3 Savages all of which have the Accu-Trigger. I liked the first one so much is the reason that I bought 2 more. (My next gun will be a Savage with the Target Accu-Trigger which adjusts down to around 6 ounces!)
I own a Rem. 700 in .270Win, also. I just had that one out to the range three days ago and it shoots great, also. I sighted it in @ 200 yds and ran a couple of 5-shot groups of 2.2"+/-. I then shot at 300m (328 yds.) and produced 2 5-shot groups of 3.20" & 3.41" for an actual 0.96 MOA avg.

All 3 Savages are capable of these results and one - my LRPV - will halve those numbers.

For un-touched, factory rifles these are all I could hope for. If a rifle can't shoot 1.5 MOA - it gets sold. If a rifle meant for paper as well as game then my accuracy requirement increases to .75 MOA (and .5 MOA for serious bench shooting). Without going the custom (read expensive) route, I believe Savage will give you more out-of-the-box accuracy. Remember that the trigger is one of the most important aids is accurate shooting. You'll have to have the Remington re-worked but the Savages are O-O-T-Box great.
Sounds like you've already decided on Remington, though, but I thought I'd toss in my 2 cents.

tracks21
August 8, 2007, 11:04 AM
THe Savage isn't as pretty but it will shoot more accurately than a stock 700. 700s have more potential if you want to put 2 grand into it. The police snipers I know carry highly modified 700s but after all the mods the only original part is the action so I am not sure it can be called a 700. No one is buying my rifle so I have a stock 700 in 30-06 and a Savage 110fp I recently aquired. The Savage is more accurrate, but the stock does lack. Solution buy a savage and get a new aftermarket stock.

Ghost Tracker
August 8, 2007, 11:36 AM
It's my experience that the folks who still believe a Savage Bolt Gun is an off-brand, low-budget substitute for a Remington 700 or a Winchester 70 haven't spent any time behind the trigger of a modern Savage. I say that because I WAS one of those folks. I've spent some WIDE dollars on some "impressive" name brand rifles (Kleingunther, Anschutz, Volquartsen) but the modern Savage isn't just a great rifle "for the money", it's just a GREAT RIFLE...Period.

Ash
August 8, 2007, 11:48 AM
Funny how the Savage is "not proven" as the 110 was introduced 4 years before the 700 (1958 for the Savage, 1962 for the 700). Now, arguably, the 721 which the 700 evolved from is the older design, appearing in 1948, but in any case, with the 110 design being almost 50 years old, calling it unproven is silly. Also, there is nothing in the design of either rifle that can justify calling the Remington the rifle with the most potential. That implies that with money, a Remington can be made better than any Savage. That doesn't float. They are both tubular steel receivers with a seperate recoil lug wedged between the barrel and the action. Bedding will be identical for the two. The bolts are both forward-locking with dual opposed lugs.

Indeed, even the barrel lock up can be the same. There is nothing in this world that says the Savage 110 must use the barrel nut. A traditional shoulder as on the Remington can easily be used on the Savage. For that matter, a locking-nut design can be used on the Remington (have to inlet a stock, of course).

But, in my opinion, the Savage can be better tuned to a specific load than the Remington. Head space can be adjusted with the barrel to an exact load used by the shooter. That cannot be easily done by the Remington.

In any case, I think I would take the Savage over the Remington because the Savage has a superior gas baffle system over the Remington, is easier to fully customize at home (no gunsmithing on it at all), is capable of perfecting head space adjustments, and there are some very high-quality stocks for the Savage just like the Remington. The fact that the greater variety of after-market parts is meaningless if the best parts are available for both rifles.

Ash

Essex County
August 8, 2007, 11:58 AM
At one time the Savage 110 was thought of as a dollar inspired compromise. No longer. Yes, some folks don't care for their looks and the barrel nut causes them to cringe. I've upgraded the stocks and triggers on all but one of mine. All shoot very, very well. I can't say that about newer Remingtons. Price no object? Go Savage....Essex

erict
August 8, 2007, 12:11 PM
I own both, I prefer the Savage.

Domino
August 8, 2007, 12:15 PM
This is easy. Buy the Savage if you want a highly accurate rifle. Buy the Remington if looks and name or more important to you. A modern Savage will be a better rifle than a modern Remington.

YodaVader
August 8, 2007, 04:26 PM
THe Savage isn't as pretty but it will shoot more accurately than a stock 700. 700s have more potential if you want to put 2 grand into it.

I have both brands Savage 12BVSS and Rem 700LTR , bought within 8 months of each other, and in my case I think the Savage is a much nicer looking rifle! Both are .223s.

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a106/celestron4/12BVSS700LTR.jpg

However, I have not put anywhere near 2 grand into the 700 but it is the consistently better shooting rifle for me. I have have owned 3 other heavy barrel Remingtons - 700VS , 700VLS and 700P none of which required 2 grand to shoot well.

I replaced the trigger on both rifles , though out of the box the Savage trigger was much better. But this was the only mod done to either rifle. Although the Savage still has the Accu-Trigger in the pic.

The police snipers I know carry highly modified 700s but after all the mods the only original part is the action so I am not sure it can be called a 700

How many police snipers you know of carry Savage rifles? At my range an IN State Police officer was shooting his issue rifle , a 700 LTR and it did not appear to have 2 grand of work to it. Still had the fluted Remington barrel.

Anyway , after owning both makes of rifles I have no plans to part with either.

336A
August 8, 2007, 04:37 PM
How many police snipers you know if carry Savage rifles?

The NY State Troopers are using Savage rifles, however I do not know the exact model. I currently have a Savage 110FP in 7mm RM and it is sub MOA @ 100yds. Before that I had a 110GXP3 that I bought in 94 and it too was a sub MOA shooter. I will never buy anything other than a Savage for a high power centerfire rifle cartridge.

aubie515
August 8, 2007, 06:17 PM
Both rifles you are considering are good shooters. If cost is not a consideration, I'd go with the Remington. I have owned a couple 10FPs and they shot very well, BUT the actions on Savages SUCKs compared to the 700 action.

Savage has come a long way with offering McMillans and HS stocks, but there are so many more aftermarket parts for the Remington action.

It all boils down to personal preference. Just remember that the Remington will probably have better resale value if you decide to go custom and want to sell your rig.

GRAPHIX
August 9, 2007, 10:39 PM
Hay CLAY SHOOTER,
Just joined yesterday and read your post. Though I own A Remington and mostly swear buy it, they do have some weaknesess the Savage overcome. Remington and other Mfg.'s offer more accsories than Savage at this time. Savage has a few design fetures that make it an excellent modifiable platform.
I just meet an individual today at work (well call him Mr. H) that is an accoplished gunsmith of 40 years, retiered USMC, and benchrest competitor that can upgrade your personal Savage 110 or build one for you. (I use the term "ONE" loosely) because you'll get, depending on your options 1-3 barrels and bolts in 1-3 different calibers. Meaning you get 3 guns in one with garunteed repet zero . Check out his site at www.mrhengineering.com

SpeedAKL
August 9, 2007, 11:00 PM
Savage also offers a Choate stock, either fixed or folding, that I find very comfortable. I also love the AccuTrigger system.

They're both great guns, and you'd be pleased with either one. The big thing about the Remington is that if you get really serious (or get more dough), there are some nice high-end upgrades out there, even to the extent that you can have almost an all-new gun based off the 700 action.

Davo
August 10, 2007, 12:54 AM
I was in this situation a few months back and after much research and trying both out, I went with the Savage. If your going to leave it factory original, either is fine, though I like the Savage trigger much more. When it comes to bolt head/handle changes, barrel swaps, etc the Savage is much easier to work on-unless your a gunsmith or something.
My 10 fp is getting fairly consistant .75 MOA groups, with a stock barrel. If I ever swap it out I hope to beat that.
Heres my review
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=275156

Regolith
August 10, 2007, 12:59 AM
While we are somewhat on the subject....


What is the difference between the Savage 10, 11, and 14 models? I've been going over their online product catalog and I'm having trouble telling exactly what the difference between them is.

rangerruck
August 10, 2007, 03:23 AM
two digits are short action, 3 digits are long action, 14's are typically classic styled rifles.

Bogart
August 10, 2007, 03:43 AM
With cost being a non issue get a 10FP-McMillan or 10FP HS Precision you not be disappointed

SKSgunnut101
August 10, 2007, 01:13 PM
Is the 10 FLP (Lefty model) availble in other calibers besides .308/7.62 and 223/5.56?

Nameless_Hobo
August 10, 2007, 04:55 PM
Not related to what you're looking for, but do Savage wood stocks suck like savage composite stocks?

aubie515
August 10, 2007, 05:45 PM
I believe Savage uses Boyd's stocks on their wood models. Boyd's is good to go. The reason the synthetic stocks are so crappy is because Savage pays $20-30 for each stock. Nuff said.

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