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Lou1187
August 7, 2007, 12:10 PM
I have been concidering a Remington 700 BDL 30-06 with a walnut stock. I looked at Basspro, Cablea's and Wal-Mart. However, a buddy of mine told me that the guns at wal-mart are not the same grade as others like Cabela's and basspro. He stated that all wal-mart guns are crap and not the same, Lower grade. Is this true? I wounld'nt think so but I would like to here what you guys think. Thanks

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charlie505
August 7, 2007, 12:16 PM
I don't think Remmington makes guns of different quality for wal-mart.

The guns are the same quality - maybe different models.

Wal-Marts in NJ - near me - no longer sell guns or ammo :mad:

The PC police got to them

SASS#23149
August 7, 2007, 12:18 PM
Personally, I doubt that anyone REALLY knows unless they are the buyer for wal mart.How could they? I HAVE herad lots of opinions and guess on the subject tho.
One thing I've noticed is their guns often have hardwood stocks instead of walnut,which could drop the price ..to them..some.

Thionking back over many wasted years of internet perusal,I"ve never read a post of how badly some ones Wally world gun shoots.LOTS of complaints of how long and frustraing a process buying a gun from them can be.Myslef included.

since almost all wally's are dumping guns now,I'd buy elsewhere just to feel good about supporting a pro 2a business.
ymmv,imho,etc.

rc109a
August 7, 2007, 12:18 PM
Lou
Try the search. It has been discussed before, but here is a link to one that we beat up pretty good:
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=292968&highlight=walmart
Hope that helps...

Gunbabe
August 7, 2007, 12:24 PM
My husband bought his first shotgun at Walmart and absolutely loves it. I think there is no difference in quality and firearms WERE always cheaper there. I say were because the four in our area no longer sell firearms of any kind only ammo.

RNB65
August 7, 2007, 12:39 PM
My Dad has a Rem 700 he bought from Wally World. It looks and operates like any other Rem 700 I've ever seen.

If anyone asks where you bought it, LIE! :cool:

goemado
August 7, 2007, 04:06 PM
Your buddy is wrong. A Remington 700 BDL is a Remington 700 BDL - Walmart just buys truck loads of 'em....Remington does nothing different to the product going to Walmart than it does to the product going to the *insert finest gun store you can think of that stocks Remington 700 BDL's here*.

Have a nice day.

CajunBass
August 7, 2007, 05:05 PM
Wal-Mart guns are made on the dark side of the moon, out of recycled McDonalds styrofoam boxes, by political prisoners from the delta cetia alpha quadrant.

Other than that, they're just like any other guns.

chieftain
August 7, 2007, 05:11 PM
Just another of many Anti WalMart myths.

Some folks, mostly socialists hate success.

My Winchester 94 AE with a laminated stock, is only 12 years old. It must be defective. It keeps going bang exactly where and when it should. So does my Mossy 590. Sitting here I simply don't remember when I got the Mossy, 93-94. To lazy to get up and look.

Go figure

Fred

MechAg94
August 7, 2007, 05:15 PM
What WalMart guns? The WalMart here stopped selling them. This ain't an urban Walmart either.

Mannlicher
August 7, 2007, 05:16 PM
I have purchsed a number of guns from Wally World, and they all work just fine.
That Wal Mart buys inferior guns is a urban myth.

Bravo11
August 7, 2007, 05:19 PM
I just started a thread on this last week. It must be the urban legend dujour.

TX1911fan
August 7, 2007, 05:22 PM
I would say the only difference with Walmart guns is that they probably stock only the lowest grade of gun so their prices can be low. However, you can order just about anything. I ordered a high grade Browning lever .22LR and it is just a beautiful gun. People love to hate Walmart.

Nater
August 7, 2007, 05:56 PM
wal-mart guns in their display case are usually what they call warehouse guns. manufactors send their guns straight to the wal mart warehouse and these are the bulk of the rifles sold. the guns special ordered come lipsey's or sports south (at least wal marts here) and many other major and minor gun shops use them as suppliers. So i could not imagine there being any quality difference between the two. ...........I have never seen a BDL in a display case at wal mart I have seen abunch of ADLs so this leeds me to believe that it would have a special order from a different supplier like lipsey's or sports south. Just a thought though

patentmike
August 7, 2007, 07:48 PM
You got a gun store nearby? When you really need something more technical than ringing up a sale, it might come in handy to have a local gun shop still in business. Depending on where you live, they might even be able to get close to WM in price.

birddog
August 7, 2007, 07:54 PM
This topic has been beaten stomped and rendered many times on THR. There's no difference. There are some people that you'll never convince otherwise. Just ask me. I've bought rifles and shotguns at WalMart. They're just as good as their counterparts in gun stores...except that they stop working after 427 rounds and the manufacturers refuse to honor the warranties, knowing that they sent their "seconds" to WalMart and they are probably beyond repair, heh heh.

:evil:

redneck2
August 8, 2007, 09:16 PM
Actually, there are some differences.

I was at a local shop. Guy brings in an 870 that he wants to sell. Owner looks at it for a few seconds and says "see you bought it at Wal-Mart". Guy kinda stammers and says "yeah". Shop owner hands it back and says he's not interested.

He told me what the difference is, but I don't remember right now. Trigger guard maybe. I can tell you for certain that he knows if an 870 is Wal-Mart or not. He claims that Wal-Mart guns are not as well finished and might cause problems. Whatever the reason, he didn't want it.

This may or may not apply to all guns. I've heard that Remington made a special huge run for Wal-Mart maybe a few years ago. Supposedly Wal-Mart didn't sell them all and just about bankrupt Remington when they returned the unsold inventory.

CommanderPoopyduX
August 8, 2007, 09:24 PM
I once compared my police issue Remington 870 to my Wal-mart 870 and I honestly couldn't tell any difference in any of the pieces. I don't believe he can "glance" at a gun and KNOW it came from Wal-Mart. Besides, why would a gun company want to sell their crap to a company that will sell hundreds/thousands more of them than the local gun shop that sells a couple a year?

Also, the Wal-Mart 870 is a still made by Remington, and if anything breaks is still under Remingtons warranty, again raising the question of why they would want to put crap out (crap they know they will sell thousands and thousands of).

While on the subject, does Bass Pro or Cabela's also get the "crap" guns since they sell a bunch of guns, or are these "special guns" only Wal-Mart specific?

eliphalet
August 8, 2007, 10:01 PM
Donja know all Wally's guns are made in China and are copies?

Nothing is different than the shop down the street except price, or supporting the local businessman or not.
Some deserve your business some deserve to got out of business.

ABTOMAT
August 8, 2007, 11:39 PM
I'm against Wal-Mart and that type of business practices in general, but as far as I'm concerned it's a myth that companies make identical guns with cheaper parts for them. A maker would have to be running multiple assembly lines for guns with no identifiable differences. If anyone can product proof of this I'd love to hear it.

What _does_ happen with many products is cheaper, but similar, models will be made for a mass market store. But the model numbers are always different. Like Lincoln makes a range of welders with a digit changed for Home Depot. But unless Remington is making "871" shotguns for Wal-Mart I doubt there's any difference.

chieftain
August 8, 2007, 11:56 PM
You got a gun store nearby? When you really need something more technical than ringing up a sale, it might come in handy to have a local gun shop still in business. Depending on where you live, they might even be able to get close to WM in price.

I buy more guns from the local boys than Wal-Mart. I also buy guns from Wal-Mart. I believe in supporting everyone on our side.

Besides if we stopped buying guns from Wally world for ??? reasons, they would stop carrying them. Gosh! in stores with low guns sales they have.

I wonder why?

I support the shops that carry the product I want, at reasonable prices. They don't have to beat Wally. But they do have to be reasonable.

Wally world is as justified for my business if they have the products I want, as any other fellow.

Only a fool would spend substantially more from one store than another, for no reason at all. But I guess that's why we have Fords, Chevy's and Toyota's. There is a reason Toyota is overtaking everyone. They make products customers want to buy at prices they want to buy them at.

Very radical concept. by the way, I own no Toyota's.

I find the Gun shops that charge reasonable prices and give good service tend to do just fine. It is generally the rip off gun dealers that really hate wally world.

Go figure.

I'm against Wal-Mart and that type of business practices in general,


And just what business practice is that. Giving the buying public good products at prices they prefer. BASTARDS!

They don't raise prices if they don't have competition either. they are open when I want to shop.

They ain't perfect, but then who is.

go figure.

Fred

The Deer Hunter
August 9, 2007, 12:05 AM
I got a buck folding knife from wally world. The MSRP is like $95 or something, now I know MSRP is usually a bit higher than the real price, but this one was only $45. Also, it has machine marks on it unlike the pictures of it on the website.

My dad says they sell lower quality guns, and I trust him. It may be true, it may be false, but I also beleive in supporting my local gunshop. Well its somewhat local.

.cheese.
August 9, 2007, 12:13 AM
Yes, Walmart guns ARE different.

For example, a Remingston 870 Express would ordinarily be manufactured at Remington's factory. Not the case with the Walmart version.

You see, Walmart has large manufacturing deals with a few select companies. One of the biggest happens to be Kraft foods. Due to that, Remington 870s are actually manufactured at the Kraft foods factory, next to the macaroni and cheese. Meanwhile, the Keebler factory makes all of Walmart's WWB ammo.

That's the basic idea. The Kraft people are decent actually.... but the Keebler guys just shove chocolate and a primer in brass...... bastards.

ABTOMAT
August 9, 2007, 12:23 AM
And just what business practice is that. Giving the buying public good products at prices they prefer. BASTARDS!

Mainly leveraging supplying manufacturers into making junk, moving offshore, or going out of business. When a large retailer gets a huge contract with a supplier to buy the majority of their production, the retailer has a good deal of influence over the supplier. They then dictate the price point, sometimes to the point where the supplier has to drastically change the way things are done. Snapper lawnmowers refused to deal with Wal-Mart because they wanted them to outsource or reduce standards to meet the proposed unit cost.

Large box stores also have a way of taking over small towns or areas. It's part of the plan. If you make yourself a large enough player in a given locale, you can get a good percentage of the population both working for you and buying from you. It's perpetual profit.

The public will always prefer lower prices. Nowdays consumers don't pay attention to the quality of most things so whoever sells it cheapest wins. The manufacturing capability of the United States has been dissasembled and moved to China, literally, to meet that goal. There are products this country can no longer make because the tools and manpower no longer exist in our hands.

chieftain
August 9, 2007, 12:53 AM
Mainly leveraging supplying manufacturers into making junk, moving offshore, or going out of business. When a large retailer gets a huge contract with a supplier to buy the majority of their production, the retailer has a good deal of influence over the supplier. They then dictate the price point, sometimes to the point where the supplier has to drastically change the way things are done. Snapper lawnmowers refused to deal with Wal-Mart because they wanted them to outsource or reduce standards to meet the proposed unit cost.

Your example of Snapper sort of disproves the rest of your statement. You mean the suppliers feel they must go off shore. As to quality, I have seen a lot of junk from every country.

For a gun example. Norinco 1911 or Highpoint 45. Frankly the Chinese pistol is hands down better quality than the American Highpoint.

And once more, let's beat up Wally World for getting suppliers to lower their prices, AND pass that on to the consumer.

I guess you prefer suppliers making more money, and the consumer paying more.

Must be an economics major.

Large box stores also have a way of taking over small towns or areas. It's part of the plan. If you make yourself a large enough player in a given locale, you can get a good percentage of the population both working for you and buying from you. It's perpetual profit.

And how do they do that. Force everyone to buy by holding their first born hostage. Nope! Good products at fair prices.

As to perpetual profit. The socialists of all stripes have believed that for years. Not economist would, but a socialist would.

The public will always prefer lower prices. Nowdays consumers don't pay attention to the quality of most things so whoever sells it cheapest wins. The manufacturing capability of the United States has been dissasembled and moved to China, literally, to meet that goal. There are products this country can no longer make because the tools and manpower no longer exist in our hands.

Actually, the public always prefers better values. That is why most folks don't buy the cheapest car, house etc. Otherwise at the various counters EVEN in Wally World they would offer only the Cheapest. Nope that myth don't fly here.

Wally World didn't disassemble the manufacturing capability of the United States. You and I did. We the consumer.

Want to pay more and get less. Go for it. I choose to be rational. Every product has it's price point. That comes from you and I, not the manufacturer, or the retailer.

Just admit you don't like Wal-Mart. It's okay you don't have to like anything or body for any reason, just don't try to rationalize the irrational, to me.

Go figure.

Fred

Outlaws
August 9, 2007, 12:57 AM
Ruger did make some special 10/22's for sale at Walmart.

Bravo11
August 9, 2007, 09:34 AM
Amen Brother Chieftain.
I don't get all the Wal-Mart bashing.
I hear people around here saying they never go to WM.
I say "Where do you buy your washing detergent and underwear?"
WM is just as good as anywhere else. Sam Walton was a small time
store owner once too. He just grew his business well.
I'm sure most local shop owners would love to do as well as he did.

joab
August 9, 2007, 09:45 AM
Personally I hate Wal Mart
I don't like there service or what they do to the community small businesses

But they would not have that power if the people of the community did not choose price over service and you can not fault any business for giving the community what they want

He told me what the difference is, but I don't remember right now. Trigger guard maybe. I can tell you for certain that he knows if an 870 is Wal-Mart or not. He claims that Wal-Mart guns are not as well finished and might cause problems. Whatever the reason, he didn't want it.He was abe to tell the difference the same way the fortune teller was able to tell that I was divorced
He guessed based on signals the seller put out
He refused the gun as a way of putting it out into the community that Wally's gun were inferior
I've had the same scam pulled on me in the past, but it has been many years and the gun was not from Walmart

ABTOMAT
August 9, 2007, 12:17 PM
Your example of Snapper sort of disproves the rest of your statement. You mean the suppliers feel they must go off shore. As to quality, I have seen a lot of junk from every country.

For a gun example. Norinco 1911 or Highpoint 45. Frankly the Chinese pistol is hands down better quality than the American Highpoint.

Use your brain in thinking this over. The Snapper story doesn't disprove anything. If a retailer comes to you and says "We'll buy your product only if it's 40% cheaper" your options for acheiving that are limited. If it's like Snapper's case and the retailer opens with this you can just walk away. However, if you're already devoted to making stuff for the retailer and your company depends on the contract, if they come around and say "we need 40% cheaper or you're cancelled" you're screwed.

And once more, let's beat up Wally World for getting suppliers to lower their prices, AND pass that on to the consumer.

I guess you prefer suppliers making more money, and the consumer paying more.

Must be an economics major.

Again, brain. There are only so many ways to get really low prices. At a certain point they become detrimental. Not low prices themselves, but how they're possible. If a supplier making more money, without waste or bloated CEOs, means three thousand people in your state being employed vs. being on Welfare, I might pay a little more for a product. But wait, if they did go out of business they could always go to work for the Wal-Mart or Home Depot that just opened up down the road.

And how do they do that. Force everyone to buy by holding their first born hostage. Nope! Good products at fair prices.

Wal-Mart doesn't force consumers to do anything, I never said that. A large percentage of the population, being the bleating brainless sheep they are, will follow the lowest prices regardless. And define "fair prices." Fair to whom? I could probably undercut Wal-Mart's prices by having stuff made by comapanies owned by the Iranian government and US consumers would beat a path to my door.

Actually, the public always prefers better values. That is why most folks don't buy the cheapest car, house etc. Otherwise at the various counters EVEN in Wally World they would offer only the Cheapest. Nope that myth don't fly here.

The public prefers _percieved_ better values, not actual. They don't buy the cheapest car or house because they'd appear cheap to the neighbors. Look at appliances these days, or electronics, or furniture, etc. People have been trained to think it's normal for something to last a couple years, and then have to buy a new one. When my father bought a refrigerator it came with a 20-year warranty and lasted 35 years. A lot of the new ones have a 5-year warranty and won't make it much past that.

A year or two ago in Sears they had a sale on $35 no-name DVD players. Customers were buying them by the armload instead of the brand-name ones that cost twice as much. The electronics salesman told me to my face that they were seeing most of them come back just out of warranty. I still bought one, just on a whim, and damned if it didn't die after five months. A friend of mine bought one at the same time that lasted four months. Yet still, the $35 DVD players are the ones that sell out in stores.

Wally World didn't disassemble the manufacturing capability of the United States. You and I did. We the consumer.

Which is what I've been saying all along, and it's taken this long for you to admit it. You and millions others choose to buy products that save you money in the short term at any cost. When offered a choice, you choose to support the Chinese.

Want to pay more and get less. Go for it. I choose to be rational. Every product has it's price point. That comes from you and I, not the manufacturer, or the retailer.

Just admit you don't like Wal-Mart. It's okay you don't have to like anything or body for any reason, just don't try to rationalize the irrational, to me.

Go figure.

Fred

It's a difference of opinion and I don't mind that. But to say I'm not rational is, well, irrational. A price point at the most basic level does come from the manufacturer. If something takes $5 worth of iron, $3 in oil, $3 in copper, and a man-hour to make you simply can't honestly charge less. But if your factory is in a country with intentionally undervalued currency, subsidised by the military, and your employees live on the second floor of the warehouse, you can.

I'm have more dislike for the average consumer's lack of informed buying than I do Wal-Mart's business model. They're simply realizing consumers will whore themselves out to get a cheap television and are taking advantage of the situation.

chieftain
August 9, 2007, 02:33 PM
Use your brain in thinking this over. The Snapper story doesn't disprove anything. If a retailer comes to you and says "We'll buy your product only if it's 40% cheaper" your options for acheiving that are limited. If it's like Snapper's case and the retailer opens with this you can just walk away. However, if you're already devoted to making stuff for the retailer and your company depends on the contract, if they come around and say "we need 40% cheaper or you're cancelled" you're screwed.

(Sigh) Ok lets use our brains.

You begin with the assumption that suppliers have no choices. They do. Snapper is a good example of that. Any company in any industry who lives for one customer is one order away from extinct.

It doesn’t matter if that customer is Wal-Mart or United States Department of Defense. A wise CEO/Board would be looking for additional customers. Not doing that is negligent.


Again, brain. There are only so many ways to get really low prices. At a certain point they become detrimental. Not low prices themselves, but how they're possible. If a supplier making more money, without waste or bloated CEOs, means three thousand people in your state being employed vs. being on Welfare, I might pay a little more for a product. But wait, if they did go out of business they could always go to work for the Wal-Mart or Home Depot that just opened up down the road.

Actually there are ways to reduce prices that you and I cannot imagine.

Oh, I see. My purchases are there to assist the excessively high taxes I must pay to keep folks employed? I think not. I do buy local given a choice at reasonable prices. I guess that’s why so many shooters buy Glock, SIG, HK, Beretta, Walther, Hi Powers, Springfield, etc…… I guess that brain thing is getting in the way, again.

Now I want to be clear. When I buy a Mossberg shotgun from Wal -Mart, I am putting folks out of work exactly where?

Sorry, didn‘t mean for that Brain reference of your's to get in my way. You know that rational irrational thing you have a hard time understanding.


Wal-Mart doesn't force consumers to do anything, I never said that. A large percentage of the population, being the bleating brainless sheep they are, will follow the lowest prices regardless. And define "fair prices." Fair to whom? I could probably undercut Wal-Mart's prices by having stuff made by comapanies owned by the Iranian government and US consumers would beat a path to my door.

I cannot and will not accept your elitist liberal BS. I don’t believe “A large percentage of the population, being the bleating brainless sheep they are,…….” It ain’t about bleating, it is about paying. With money we earn. Of course you are superior to us low dumb folks, I am sure.

Do I always agree with them, no. I do work diligently in educating them. Just as I do about second amendment issues.


The public prefers _percieved_ better values, not actual. They don't buy the cheapest car or house because they'd appear cheap to the neighbors. Look at appliances these days, or electronics, or furniture, etc. People have been trained to think it's normal for something to last a couple years, and then have to buy a new one. When my father bought a refrigerator it came with a 20-year warranty and lasted 35 years. A lot of the new ones have a 5-year warranty and won't make it much past that.

Interesting, Wal-Mart does not sell refrigerators. Now, who are you going to blame?


A year or two ago in Sears they had a sale on $35 no-name DVD players. Customers were buying them by the armload instead of the brand-name ones that cost twice as much. The electronics salesman told me to my face that they were seeing most of them come back just out of warranty. I still bought one, just on a whim, and damned if it didn't die after five months. A friend of mine bought one at the same time that lasted four months. Yet still, the $35 DVD players are the ones that sell out in stores.

Great story, it ain’t about Wal-Mart. This is about Wal-Mart. Try that brain thing you keep talking about. Keep focused man!

Frankly IF Wal-Mart followed this policy they would be out of business quickly. Making you very happy. Their profits would be lost servicing the returns, that they handle themselves, not the manufacturer. Unlike most retailers that charge more, require you to deal with the manufacturer. Gosh, how could that be??? I know it’s a brain thing.


Which is what I've been saying all along, and it's taken this long for you to admit it. You and millions others choose to buy products that save you money in the short term at any cost. When offered a choice, you choose to support the Chinese.[

See line about when I bought my Mossberg shotgun. Just how did that support the Chinese? I know I am being irrational again, aren’t I?


It's a difference of opinion and I don't mind that. But to say I'm not rational is, well, irrational. A price point at the most basic level does come from the manufacturer. If something takes $5 worth of iron, $3 in oil, $3 in copper, and a man-hour to make you simply can't honestly charge less. But if your factory is in a country with intentionally undervalued currency, subsidised by the military, and your employees live on the second floor of the warehouse, you can.

I'm have more dislike for the average consumer's lack of informed buying than I do Wal-Mart's business model. They're simply realizing consumers will whore themselves out to get a cheap television and are taking advantage of the situation.

Ah… we come to the crux of the issue. Your obvious superiority to us peasants. We are obviously uninformed.

By the way, where did you pay more for a Television that was made in the United States? Sorry didn’t mean to muddy up your rational thinking with facts.

I think we need to look very carefully who is who’s whore. It is obvious you believe deeply in what you believe in. But I ain’t into religion on this issue. I would rather spend my money based on BRAINS, RATIONALITY, AND MY POCKET BOOK.

If you don’t like the global economy, you are in deep Kimshe. But that ain’t my windmill, it's yours.

Oh, take an economics course or two, you may be amazed at how much I WOULD LEARN from that.

Go figure.

Fred

Picknlittle
August 9, 2007, 04:34 PM
As one who despises, loathes, even hates WalMart I'll have to say it's not because of their stuff, it's the leadership. I knew Sam Walton many years ago and was privy to many of his ideas and ideals. There were things about the success of his then, fledgling business that broke his heart, and things that he firmly disagreed with.

Since Sam's kids have taken over, and long before he passed, Sam's ideals have fallen to the wayside. The place disgust me, but it's not due to poor or substandard products. It's them chilluns!

ABTOMAT
August 9, 2007, 04:35 PM
double-tap

ABTOMAT
August 9, 2007, 04:38 PM
You're reading things into what I typed that aren't there, and missing what is. It's not all about Wal-Mart, a good deal my last two posts was more about the tides of things in general. My VERY FIRST POST said "Wal-Mart type of business practices" and I never singled them out as some great standalone evil.

Any company that becomes a large enough player can dictate the market. It's simply a matter of size, in any company. How far they take using this advantage is up to the company. Buying a Mossberg at Wal-Mart isn't putting anyone out of business, other than gun stores who can't compete with volume sales. But if a gun company had to devote 90% of their production to filling a box store's contract, the box store could tell them to drop prices and start making guns in Bangladesh or they'd drop them like a hot rock.

Of course I didn't buy a US made TV, we've been out of the business of making them for over a decade. I have a Mexican-made, Japanese owned TV that I got for free because it failed outside the warranty period and no one would try the five-minute fix I used to repair it. And as far as the DVD thing, no one was suffering because they were out of warranty and past the return period. That's how it works these days, people buy junk that they have no recourse against other than not buying that brand. But brands are fleeting even though everything's made by the same nameless factories.

I'm not a socialist and I'm not superior to anyone else. Just have a different opinion, maybe correct maybe not. Why do radical liberals keep getting elected, why have anti-gun feelings spread so far, why are some states in the process of going against the laws of the country and allowing illegal immigrants to take over? It's because a majority of the people in those areas think that way. I assume you disagree with some of those views, so does that make you superior to the average peasant?

I'm not against globalization, but it's not always a good thing. When you completely give up aspects of living and survival to other countries you lose strength. That's not even going into the really bizarre current issues like government-sanctioned widespread intellectual properly theft and industrial forgeries.

My logic may be different from yours but my thoughts are based on just as much reason as anyone else. Lay off the name calling and sniping, show some decorum. This obvisouly is an emotional subject for you, so I'm going to let this thread settle and get back to firearms discussion. We'll see how things go a few years down the road and decide what, if any, of this was meaningful.

Kurt_D
August 9, 2007, 09:38 PM
Think about it guys, who's going to get the best pricing from Remington? Wal-mart or Academy who buy by the thousands or your local FFL who buys 10 or so from a distributor who themself make a mark-up?

Literally Wal-mart buys more guns than some distributors. That's why your local FFL can't beat Wal-mart or Academy on guns like a base 10/22 or 870. Now for a special order gun or upper end models, your local FFL can atleast match those big retailers because the playing field levels out.

Yes, some manufactures will make special models for retailers like Wal-mart. It makes sense. Wal-mart wants/thinks it can sell a lot of 10/22 rifles instead of the standard carbine. (I beleive I've read Wal-mart sells more 10/22s for Ruger than any other buyer) Ruger doesn't make a rifle model. Ruger will be more likely to tool up for a run of rifles when Wal-mart commits to buy 10,000 units.

I'll admit, I bought my Beretta NEOs from Academy instead of my local FFL. Academy beat him buy $50 on this popular model, probably because they bought a few thousand at one time. Same with my 10/22, I bought it from Wally World. However, I've bought all my ARs and other pistols from him as, at minium, he matches them if not flat out beats them in price.

JohnBT
August 9, 2007, 10:05 PM
Does Wal-Mart sell special stuff? Yes.

I don't know much about Wal-Mart guns. Got a great deal on the Rem 1100 synthetic once.

Shopping for a tv for my father, I saw a Samsung 32" lcd tv at WM for $950. Model LN-T3232H.

Circuit City had a LN-T3242H and a LN-T3253H. Both 32" and dead ringers for the one at WM.

After doing a little surfing on the subject, I discovered that Samsung makes the 3232 for 'selected retailers'. The 3242 is the bottom of the normal line and the 3253 is significantly better.

I bought the 3253 at Circuit City for $899. That's $51 less than WM's dumbed down model. The two numbers that stick in my mind were the brightness and contrast. The one at CC was 8000:1 and 550. The one across the parking lot at WM for more money was 5000:1 and 500.

All for $51 more at Wal-Mart.

John

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the LN-T32H series is reserved for selected distributors and isn't available in many places, so it's not the company's official entry-level line. We haven't reviewed any of these models, so we don't know for sure, but we expect them to perform slightly worse than the LN-T42H series, on account of their lower contrast-ratio specs. They also lack picture-in-picture and the third HDMI input on the larger models, but otherwise their specs are very similar to the 42H series

Prince Yamato
August 9, 2007, 10:36 PM
If you don't like Walmart, don't buy from them

If you like good values on certain items, buy from Walmart.

How is it that Walmart ruined small towns but K-mart never did, when in fact K-mart was basically the same entity as Walmart? For that matter, damn you Woolworth and Gold Circle! And while we're at it, down with Macy's for buying out Gold Circle AND Kaufmann's! Department stores are an evil empire! That must be it... :rolleyes:

eliphalet
August 9, 2007, 11:02 PM
In simple terms,

"Build a better mouse trap and the world will beat a path to your door".

That's exactly what Sam Walton did, like it or not.
Personally I hope they continue on the path they have been on.
Bottom line, they save me money.

I kinda think we have forgotten this is a "rifle" thread, or is suppose to be, I thought.

CajunBass
August 9, 2007, 11:03 PM
I wonder if people whined this much about Sears, Penny's, Woolworth's, Murphy's, and so on a hundred years ago?

Sears used to have some good deals on guns too. I've still got a couple of them.

joab
August 9, 2007, 11:14 PM
That's exactly what Sam Walton did, like it or not. What happened to Walmart had nothing to do with Sam Walton

I wonder if people whined this much about Sears, Penny's, Woolworth's, Murphy's, and so on a hundred years ago?Don't know about that, but I do know we did when the mega Malls started popping up around here

Soybomb
August 10, 2007, 04:36 AM
Where is the sense in thinking that you might give your biggest seller of your products lemons?

chieftain
August 10, 2007, 05:28 AM
Where is the sense in thinking that you might give your biggest seller of your products lemons?

STOP!

Quit throwing logic and reason into this irrational babble of religious beliefs and ideology.

Gee Whiz Guy, you really screwed up.

Wally World is no better or worse than any other retail organization. They ain't perfect. I ain't perfect either, unlike some folks here.

Fred

Rokman
August 11, 2007, 01:05 PM
If you can still find a Wal Mart that sells guns and has the gun you want at a price that you like, then buy the gun. Most Wal Marts in my area stopped selling guns a year ago.

Zoogster
August 11, 2007, 01:17 PM
Several "special" guns have indeed been made for walmart. I believe the 870 express models originaly were for Wal-mart. Before anyone thinks they are no different, they are. Some of the components are cast instead of forged. If you deal with metalurgy you will understand the big difference. Basicly forged is much more durable. Of course they also have a few cosmetic differences that are cheaper as well, and less fit and finish. However since that firearm is already such a good overbuilt design the cheaper version still functioned fine. They are however cheaper and an inferior quality arm, whether you are able to tell or not.

Other companies have also made special "inferior" walmart lines of guns. That does not mean that applies to all firearms at walmart, just that some are intentionaly made cheaper to keep with the large volume, low cost, criteria of the chain. Many others will also be no different than the same model anywhere else.
One of the sad things is many Wal Marts are no longer stocking firearms. Since WalMart is one of the biggest most frequented mainstream stores in our nation that is bad for gun rights and owners. It means the soccer mom that goes back to the sporting section to pick up some sports equipment will not be exposed to rows of firearms not attacking anyone. Just sitting there being good guns. It makes firearms more "sinister" because you have to actualy go to a "firearm" store for exposure. It gives them the persona of those sex shops nobody likes moving into thier area. Suddenly they are bad and off by themselves, specializing in one product only, a naughty bad product(per media). It makes it easier to demonize them and pass laws that hurt ownership.

So by all means if you like a firearm at Wal Mart and wish to show the chain that guns are a valued product, go for it. At the same time don't let your local shops go out of business either so when Walmart stops dealing after putting others out of business you are left high and dry as gun owners.

awilson0407
August 11, 2007, 01:38 PM
With Walmart's pressure on suppliers to lower costs, something has to give and it's not just profit margin. I didn't fall off a turnip truck so don't try to tell me quality doesn't suffer. It may be no more than skipping some QA testing...so good luck if the product that's shipped happens to be first quality. I hate what Walmart has done to America!!! There are some things you just don't want to go to the lowest bidder. Unfortunately, those things are harder and harder to find.

eliphalet
August 11, 2007, 01:41 PM
Several "special" guns have indeed been made for walmart
Very true.
They are however cheaper and an inferior quality arm,
I don't buy that, where's the proof? Can you supply irrefutable data to support that statement?
I suppose the Wranglers I buy there are inferior material too, or the 22 shells or the garden products or maybe the bananas or apples are an inferior variety, maybe the toothpaste?
I wanna see absolutely proof, come on now put up, or shut up.
Gimme a break, I give up!
This has been beat to death without one ounce of proof, I otta know better than to even reply.

Zoogster
August 11, 2007, 02:16 PM
I don't buy that, where's the proof? Can you supply irrefutable data to support that statement?
You can call them up and talk to reps at the company. Now you have to be clever in your questioning as they are not going to put down any of thier products.

The cheaper Express that I gave the example of, is cheaper as an 870 using cast instead of forged parts. However all Mossbergs and Winchesters use cast parts already (and aluminum) and they work just fine and are durable enough. However the quality is still cheaper, the manufacturing process is still cheaper. The Express model made for walmart took several cuts to meet the needs of the walmart chain. However as is seen in the Express model, cheaper designs originaly created and limited to walmart eventualy find thier way to other places as well. This goes not just for guns but for other products. There is a bigger profit margin for Walmart type products which is why they were designed in the first place. So they could be sold for less and still provide profit. So when sold for more at a normal store there is an even greater profit margin.
When people are like you and don't know or notice the difference unless you tell them, then why would I make less profit when I can make more without you noticing? Make you feel like you got a better deal at the same time.

Here is a good list by Dfariswheel at the firing line about the difference in the models between the Express (original Walmart model) and others: http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=222037

Like I said you can call up the company and go through them all one at a time. However you need to be creative in how you phrase the questions because they are a business and are not going to put down one of thier popular products.

Other manufacters have made cheaper runs for WalMart. Then when others purchase them wholesale and sell them at places besides walmart they have greater profit margin and can sell them for less than the competitors models (or for the same and make even more profit, giving even greater incentive to stock the "walmart special" models). So the competitors start to make thier cheap versions more mainstream as well because of people just like you that would not know the difference even if you tell them. You would have to spend lots of time explaining to them they are getting an inferior product. If the average person is that naive about what they are buying, why not just let them think what they want and buy inferior quality and be happy? The firearm will still function. You will make even more profit than normal.
The reason I care is because when too many customers become that naive the quality drops without anyone noticing and without effecting thier business. The higher quality models get phased out, or start to suffer the same shortcut methods. The lower quality models become the norm. I would rather not see that happen. Yet sometimes you have to argue with people that are like talking to a brick wall to accomplish that and have them see the light of day.
Some of Walmarts products are cheaper because of thier massive distribution center. Some are cheaper because they are made in foriegn locations by people paid very little per hour who are not entitled to medical, dental, retirement benefits and all the other employee expenses here. And still yet some are cheaper because they are made cheaper with cost cutting corners taken and in bulk. This is especialy true of items not sold in massive quantities, like firearms, where enough profit to justify lower prices has to be created by other methods (unlike the other examples you give which are not high priced items and are sold in much larger per capita customer numbers). Many of the products are a combination of these variables which allow Walmart to offer products cheaper than others.

joab
August 11, 2007, 02:27 PM
You can call them up and talk to reps at the company. Now you have to be clever in your questioning as they are not going to put down any of their products.In all fairness he asked you to prove your argument not for a way for him to prove it for you

You use Dfaris to support your point that the Express was a Wal0Mart driven gun
But his own words dispute this and point to a more reasonable explanation
made to compete with the cheaper to make Winchester and Mossberg guns.

Think about it
Why would a company supply inferior quality to one of the biggest retailers of it's product

Large companies routinely used to destroy products with the very minorest of blems to protect the integrity of their brand
Using your reasoning they have now embraced and participated in the defamation of their own corporate images

Zoogster
August 11, 2007, 02:34 PM
Because these cheaper products are still functioning well and getting good reviews. It is not like they are falling apart. If they still get good reviews, can be made for less, then the amount of degredation in quality is not effecting thier image. They are STILL inferior products.

joab
August 11, 2007, 02:43 PM
They are STILL inferior products.Again
Source?

Just because Remington makes a product that is made to compete with the cheaper to make Winchester and Mossberg guns. and chooses Wal Mart as their primary initial outlet does not mean that Wal Mart has commissioned the product

chieftain
August 11, 2007, 04:13 PM
With Walmart's pressure on suppliers to lower costs, something has to give and it's not just profit margin. I didn't fall off a turnip truck so don't try to tell me quality doesn't suffer. It may be no more than skipping some QA testing...so good luck if the product that's shipped happens to be first quality. I hate what Walmart has done to America!!! There are some things you just don't want to go to the lowest bidder. Unfortunately, those things are harder and harder to find.

What has Wal-Mart done to America? America produced Wal-Mart. Wal-Mart did not produce America.

Unfortunately, the American government has been going to the lowest bidder a lot longer than Wal-Mart has been around.

We used to remind anyone making their first jump, the 'chute was made by the lowest bidder. I guess that ruined America with your logic.

If a supplier is selling less than first quality products to Wal-Mart, then Wal-Mart is the injured party, not the abuser. If a supplier cannot make their same quality product at the price Wally wants, it should say so, and back out.

Most will not, because they like those big contracts. typical, blame the victim, because they are big and successful, let the criminal plead, "it's not my fault!"

Earlier, a fellow accused those who shop at Wally World of being Whores, and sheep. When I pointed out that a group of a certain political persuasion usually did that, he accused me of calling people names.

Man, that is right out of a certain political persuasions play book. Blame the victim for doing what you are doing, and make counter claims. Anything but face the issue.

AS to the fellow who said he didn't fall off the turnip truck. Well maybe he should.

Wal-Marts suppliers apparently are unable to fend for themselves. None of them, according to many folks, are able to use the magic words, "NO".

Would they sell less, probably, but that is what they should do, if they cannot compete. In the end, just like with individuals, it is about personal responsibility.

But then the elitists, always know better than the rest of us ignorant, whoring, sheepish, peasants. (to use the words used in this thread about those of us that shop at Wal-Mart)

Go figure.

Fred

birddog
August 11, 2007, 04:20 PM
Remington 870s are actually manufactured at the Kraft foods factory, next to the macaroni and cheese. Meanwhile, the Keebler factory makes all of Walmart's WWB ammo.


I wondered what those crumbs in my shotgun were! Elfin magic!

Great post.

koja48
August 11, 2007, 05:31 PM
I buy some things here, some there (guns included), but usually always with "best quality for my $$" in mind. I don't cater to businesses; they need to cater to the consumer. I supported my local FFL until I discovered that a piece for which I was next in line was sold to a "friend," and I was the handed a cock & bull story in it's place. In my experience, big box stores "come in" to small towns AFTER they are no longer small towns. I have never purchased a gun from Wal-Mart for any other reason than they haven't had what I may have been in the market for at that time. Some gun dealers do consistently offer good deals all of the time; I don't know why, nor do I care but I hope they continue to do so.

I miss mom & pop businesses, unlocked doors, 10-cent sodas, 29-cent per gallon gas, & '50s & 60s gun prices, but have accepted the fact that "the times, they are a'changin." Nor do I hold any animosity for anyone such as Sam Walton or Bill Gates who have had the drive & business acumen to create successful enterprises and the ability to earn obscene amounts of money.

I like the thought of Keebler ammo, however . . . especially the upland loads with pecan bits as filler . . .

awilson0407
August 17, 2007, 11:18 AM
What has Wal-Mart done to America? America produced Wal-Mart. Wal-Mart did not produce America.

I'm NOT suggesting that Walmart is at fault...I'm talking in terms of the result of a "Walmart". Just as the result of the fast food industry on American health and obesity...Walmart has had bad consequences on our ecconomy, IMHO!!!!!

Unfortunately, the American government has been going to the lowest bidder a lot longer than Wal-Mart has been around. We used to remind anyone making their first jump, the 'chute was made by the lowest bidder. I guess that ruined America with your logic.


The government can go to the lowest bidder but still maintain specifications that are highly scrutinized. You can't tell me that the crap that Walmart sells meets some sort of minimum set of specifications that insures the level of quality does not suffer.

If a supplier is selling less than first quality products to Wal-Mart, then Wal-Mart is the injured party, not the abuser. If a supplier cannot make their same quality product at the price Wally wants, it should say so, and back out.

We're no longer dealig with quality that a free market supplies. There is no free market when you have Chinese labor you have to compete with.

Most will not, because they like those big contracts. typical, blame the victim, because they are big and successful, let the criminal plead, "it's not my fault!"

You're conveniently overlooking the fact that quality of products in america has suffered greatly as a result of our having to compete on a playing field that is not level...but Walmart has leveled it for themselves by joining the other side with operations in China probably bigger than their operations in America.

Earlier, a fellow accused those who shop at Wally World of being Whores, and sheep. When I pointed out that a group of a certain political persuasion usually did that, he accused me of calling people names.

Man, that is right out of a certain political persuasions play book. Blame the victim for doing what you are doing, and make counter claims. Anything but face the issue.

AS to the fellow who said he didn't fall off the turnip truck. Well maybe he should.

Wal-Marts suppliers apparently are unable to fend for themselves. None of them, according to many folks, are able to use the magic words, "NO".

Would they sell less, probably, but that is what they should do, if they cannot compete. In the end, just like with individuals, it is about personal responsibility.

But then the elitists, always know better than the rest of us ignorant, whoring, sheepish, peasants. (to use the words used in this thread about those of us that shop at Wal-Mart)

I think you need to look at the bigger picture. I'm all for free trade...less government, etc...we hardly have that now!!!!

chieftain
August 17, 2007, 12:20 PM
I'm NOT suggesting that Walmart is at fault...I'm talking in terms of the result of a "Walmart". Just as the result of the fast food industry on American health and obesity...Walmart has had bad consequences on our ecconomy, IMHO!!!!!

Fast food doesn’t make America Fat. People eating the wrong foods do. Guns don’t kill people, people kill people, What “result” of Wal-Mart, specifically are you talking about. Once again, the “people” are being led astray by Wal-Mart? And only those that see the light know better.

The word you are looking for, is called elitism. Just how are the “people” being led astray. Because they shop based on their own self interest, instead of yours?


The government can go to the lowest bidder but still maintain specifications that are highly scrutinized. You can't tell me that the crap that Walmart sells meets some sort of minimum set of specifications that insures the level of quality does not suffer.

So does Wal-Mart. Probably MORE scrutinized than the government.

The best part is the “Crap” at Wal-Mart is no better or worse than the “Crap” sold any where else. Just costs less, and Wally makes a smaller profit.


We're no longer dealig with quality that a free market supplies. There is no free market when you have Chinese labor you have to compete with. [/Quality]

Oh? Then you and your family shop for their clothes, at Nieman Marcus only? It is a very free market. What part isn’t free. Just because you can’t compete, doesn’t make it less free.

I guess that’s why a Chinese car company is about to become the largest auto maker in the world? NO! It is a Japanese company, building most of their cars right here in the United States is. Why? Because they are offering products people want at prices they can afford. Very radical concept.

[Quote]
You're conveniently overlooking the fact that quality of products in America has suffered greatly as a result of our having to compete on a playing field that is not level...but Walmart has leveled it for themselves by joining the other side with operations in China probably bigger than their operations in America.

I don’t see were America has suffered greatly. In fact I believe we have benefited from this free competition. The Playing field has never been level, ever. It is continually changing.

What is the “other side” that Wal-Mart has joined? The Socialists? Cause it sure ain’t the Free world Capitalist markets that made America Great!

It isn't the Free market folks trying to tear Wally down. It is the Communist/Democrat/Socialist/Liberal/Progressive folks along with the Unions.


I think you need to look at the bigger picture. I'm all for free trade...less government, etc...we hardly have that now!!!!

Interesting. It is the more government folks trying to tear Wally down. I guess my big picture is just a might bigger than yours. I just believe in less government.

I presume you want some sort of government restriction on Wally, because they are so effective. Sure wouldn’t want the “people” to get the products they want, at the prices they want to pay.

Interesting free market theory you have. IMNSHO.

Go figure.

Fred

awilson0407
August 17, 2007, 09:10 PM
Interesting. It is the more government folks trying to tear Wally down. I guess my big picture is just a might bigger than yours. I just believe in less government.

I presume you want some sort of government restriction on Wally, because they are so effective. Sure wouldn’t want the “people” to get the products they want, at the prices they want to pay.

Interesting free market theory you have. IMNSHO.

Oh? You call competition with China the "free market" at work, I suppose? Yeah...our biggest exports to China have pretty much been reduced to scrap metal and waste paper. Free market alright!

2RCO
August 17, 2007, 09:30 PM
I did hear that the Weatherby guns Wal Mart sells are considerably different than those sold elsewhere. I bought several model 70's from Wally World and they were the same as those I bought elsewhere of the same models. All the Wally World ones had scopes and were cheaper than elsewhere without scopes. For my $.02.

meef
August 17, 2007, 09:40 PM
Well folks, here we are yet once AGAIN with the "Walmart is the Devil Incarnate" thread of the week.

Don't people have better things to hammer on - like which is the better caliber, 45acp or 9mm...?

Good grief.

Deja vu all over again.

:barf:

awilson0407
August 17, 2007, 10:12 PM
Don't people have better things to hammer on - like which is the better caliber, 45acp or 9mm...?

You know you really don't have to read all of the posts. Some of us weren't here for the previous idiotic posts about Walmart. That said...I will end my contribution to this futile discussion with a final comment (from me) on how absurd it is to think that Walmart has a laissez-faire governmental philosophy. The foundation of their success is completely dependant upon continued governmental intervention.

rantingredneck
August 17, 2007, 10:41 PM
Back on the topic of actual GUNS at Walmart for a bit?


I just bought another there today. Never had a problem with any of my Walmart guns other than a Charles Daly Shotgun. But that was more due to it being a CD than from whence I bought it.

I've bought the following:

Rem 700ADL .30-06
CD Multimag (crap)
Marlin 25MN
CVA Optima (tackdriver :))
Rem 700ADL .243 Win. (it was on clearance today, couldn't help it :))

Walmart's guns are no different than the ones you find in the mom n pop gunshop. They simply buy in greater volume and therefore get better wholesale pricing therefore better pricing to you. They can also afford to take a hit and sell some guns on clearance from time to time and actually sell them below cost. Their profit margin is only about 10% at best on their guns.

chieftain
August 17, 2007, 11:39 PM
You know you really don't have to read all of the posts. Some of us weren't here for the previous idiotic posts about Walmart. That said...I will end my contribution to this futile discussion with a final comment (from me) on how absurd it is to think that Walmart has a laissez-faire governmental philosophy. The foundation of their success is completely dependant upon continued governmental intervention.

Interesting claim, that I don't believe you can back up.

But I understand. When logic and facts fail, make unsubstantiated statements and run away.

None of the guns I have purchased at Wal-Mart were made in or shipped through China. I guess they screwed up on that, huh?

Go figure.

Fred

Tomcat47
August 17, 2007, 11:53 PM
I will not get to deep into this as to not get off track......but lets just say that Wally World has not become what Sam invisioned it to be.

Just ask Schrade Cutlery.....Oh! never mind they are out of business due to Walmart returning their product so they could put the cheaper brand in stock. ( we are not talkin a few items here....we are talkin millions.....all at once... bankrupt over night! SAD....and this is fact, walmarts terms with vendors sucks... and you the little guy are at there mercy! Dont believe it...try to sell to them!

The guns are probably the lowest production grade firearms from each company, but that does not mean they are bad firearms.....but I choose to support my local gun shop and use these......:) :) :) :) :)....for targets.

Roll that back..........:evil:

no I do not hate Wally World either .... I just hate that my wife loves Walmart :banghead:

I keep tellin her ....they will put everyone out of business one day and then they wont roll nothing back....they will roll it up..:rolleyes:

joab
August 18, 2007, 12:09 AM
Just ask Schrade Cutlery.....Oh! never mind they are out of business due to Walmart returning their product so they could put the cheaper brand in stock.Why would Schrade have put so much stock in WalMart?
Could it be that without Wally they would have gone under a few years earlier?
The company that bought Schrade seems to be doing alright

joab
August 18, 2007, 12:16 AM
You can't tell me that the crap that Walmart sells meets some sort of minimum set of specifications that insures the level of quality does not suffer.Sure i does.
It meets the one standard that is important in a capitalist society
It is marketable
We're no longer dealig with quality that a free market supplies. There is no free market when you have Chinese labor you have to compete with. So what, you think our government should step in to level the field
You're conveniently overlooking the fact that quality of products in america has suffered greatly as a result of our having to compete on a playing field that is not level...but Walmart has leveled it for themselves by joining the other side with operations in China probably bigger than their operations in America.Should our government step in on that also to make sure that Walmart has not created too much of an advantage for themselves
Oh? You call competition with China the "free market" at work, I suppose? Yeah...our biggest exports to China have pretty much been reduced to scrap metal and waste paper. Free market alright!Whose fault is that?
China's for becoming a budding nation of capitalist or Americas for becoming a service nation that produces little more than the waste that China builds our products with?

chieftain
August 18, 2007, 03:06 AM
Roll that back..........

no I do not hate Wally World either .... I just hate that my wife loves Walmart

Of course not.

The guns are probably the lowest production grade firearms from each company, but that does not mean they are bad firearms.....but I choose to support my local gun shop and use these

Do you shop for the gun shop with the highest prices? Do you use the internet, or are you just anti Wal-Mart?

My Mossberg 590 and Winchester 94 with a laminated stock, were neither the bottom of the barrel or the lowest production grade. I have had both for over 10 years. I don't see any difference in them than anyone else's.

Sorry to piss on your emotional argument with facts. Keep trying.

Go figure.

Fred

shotout
August 18, 2007, 07:51 AM
Check out the number with the barcode on the box to be sure. If they are the same number, then they were manufactured to the same standards.

I used to be GM at a small manufacturer that sold to wal-mart. Wal-mart buyers pressure manufacturers to supply them with a lower cost product than would be sold to their competitors. It may be packaged cheaper, lacking documentation, or made with cheaper materials. They just want it cheaper, period. Any of these changes will result in a different barcode on the product package.

Some manufacturers will not cave-in and produce different products for wal-mart. I do not know about firearms manufacturers, but I suspect the pressure to increase sales has led them to produce models specifically for sales to wal-mart and other discounters.

awilson0407
August 18, 2007, 09:26 AM
Quote:
You know you really don't have to read all of the posts. Some of us weren't here for the previous idiotic posts about Walmart. That said...I will end my contribution to this futile discussion with a final comment (from me) on how absurd it is to think that Walmart has a laissez-faire governmental philosophy. The foundation of their success is completely dependant upon continued governmental intervention.

Interesting claim, that I don't believe you can back up.

OK...too naieve to pass up this one. Do you have a clue as to the operations Walmart has in China? Now I'm done!!!

joab
August 18, 2007, 09:36 AM
OK...too naieve to pass up this one. Do you have a clue as to the operations Walmart has in China? Now I'm done!!!I guess this means you can't back up the claim

awilson0407
August 18, 2007, 09:38 AM
My Mossberg 590 and Winchester 94 with a laminated stock, were neither the bottom of the barrel or the lowest production grade.

A real gun conniseur. I hope they're in a safe.

chieftain
August 18, 2007, 09:40 AM
OK...too naieve to pass up this one. Do you have a clue as to the operations Walmart has in China? Now I'm done!!!

Absolutely, but what does that have to do with your point. US Fruit, Exxon, and Browning (just three examples) have have been manufacturing, growing or extracting their products over seas for years. All have sold products through Wal-Mart. I have always considered Browning, US Fruit and Exxon offering quality products.

IN fact Wal-Mart is trying to open retail operations in China too. Now who are the Chinese Unions and Communists going to blame. Bangladesh?

Or like many folks just Anti Wal-Mart. Good bye.

Go figure.

Fred

chieftain
August 18, 2007, 09:48 AM
A real gun conniseur. I hope they're in a safe.

Nope, No Connoisseur. Just two of my 47 rifles and shotguns. But then a TRUE connoisseur like yourself, would not have anything as cheap as my Mossberg or Winchester in your collection, I am sure.

Like I said in an earlier post, you sound awfully Elitist to me. I don't have the time or money to shop for more expensive weapons like you apparently do.

And for your peace of mind, many of us peasants secure our weapons too. I am sure my safes are much cheaper than yours too.

Go figure.

Fred

awilson0407
August 18, 2007, 09:57 AM
Does this board have an "ignore" feature? I'm looking for it!!!!

kgriggs8@yahoo.com
August 18, 2007, 10:12 AM
Where did this myth that Wal-Mart has such great prices come from? I know they are cheaper on some things but you can find better prices elsewhere. Just because Wal-Mart is a hell hole staffed by people that don't give a crap and run by people who are greedy beyond belief doesn't automatically make everything they sell a deal.

I think WM is a crappy store that is going to go out of business soon. Who wants to walk half a mile through a crowded parking lot to push their way past 3000 pregnat Mexicans women to buy a box of ammo.

joab
August 18, 2007, 10:45 AM
Does this board have an "ignore" feature? I'm looking for it!!!!
You've made two posts since your last final post and still have not attempted to back up any of your claims
Instead you choose to go the immature snipe and run route with insults to other's guns while adding absolutely nothing to the discussion

I don't think you will have to worry about that ignore feature, others will find it for you

joab
August 18, 2007, 10:47 AM
Where did this myth that Wal-Mart has such great prices come from?Good PR

I don't think the real issue is that they are cheap on everything, just that they have so many items under one roof that they sell cheaply

To get better deals you would have to drive around town to many different locations

Titus
August 18, 2007, 11:39 AM
So wait, a customer that buys a ton of stuff pressures their suppliers for lower prices? I've never heard of such a thing! :)

awilson0407
August 18, 2007, 12:15 PM
You've made two posts since your last final post and still have not attempted to back up any of your claims
Instead you choose to go the immature snipe and run route with insults to other's guns while adding absolutely nothing to the discussion

I don't think you will have to worry about that ignore feature, others will find it for you

Hear hear!!! JOAB determines just what "adds to the discussion".

woof
August 18, 2007, 12:46 PM
I have no problem with WalMart and I refuse to believe (Until I'm proven wrong) that any gun bought there is any different from the same gun bought elsewhere. If there are any differences at all it would be in packaging or maybe the absence of some little accessory. Any gun shop owner who says he can tell the difference should be put to the test with a controlled experiment.

marksman13
August 18, 2007, 01:09 PM
I was told yesterday by a WM associate that some of the guns that they carry are made with cheaper stocks and cheaper finishes than normal. He told me that the guns they normally keep in stock are these cheaper guns, but that any gun that is special ordered is the same quality as anything else put out by the company.

That said, I have two guns that are of this supposed cheaper quality and I can't tell that either is any different than their gun store counterparts. My Remington Model 700 .243 routinely shoots MOA groups if I do my part and the Savage MK II doesn't seem to be any cheaper than any other Savage I have seen.:D

I'm not saying the guy is right or wrong, so don't flame me. I'm just teling you guys what I was told. I will continue to buy guns from Wal Mart as long as the price is right. I do most of my business with the local guy, but when WM puts guns on clearance, he knows where my money is going.

CajunBass
August 18, 2007, 02:56 PM
Gota love these threads from the dead. :cool:

So Wal-Mart puts pressure on their suppliers to sell at a lower cost. So what? Doesn't everybody?

There are two gas stations on my way to work. They are right across the street from each other. Which one I buy gas from depends on which one has the lowest price.

Anybody I buy something from is my "supplier." I put "pressure" on them every day to keep their prices low, because there is always someplace else I can go.

jpwilly
August 18, 2007, 03:04 PM
There's a rule regarding purchases that applies whether you shop at WM (or anywhere else) and every consumer would do well to remember it: "Buyer Beware"! It's our job as the consumer to be responcible for makeing sure we get what we pay for. If you don't like to policies or products at a certain store you don't have to shop there do you!

I've seen the same electronic hearing protection sold at Harbor Freight on sale for $15 bucks repackaged and sold elsewhere for much more. I can remember one being Caldwell for $49. Same for the 6" digital calipers I use when reloading. Got them on sale at Harbor Freight for $15 sold at Cabelas, Midway USA for anywhere from $30 to $50 dollars. I purchased a $49 holographic site at Cabelas sold under the store brand Pine Ridge and later found the Famous Maker, Baraska, and others also offered this same unit. It broke after 50 rnds thru my AR and I exchanged it for a TruGlo that works great. Wal-Mart can be your best friend you vote with every dollar you spend. Dumb shoppers will ruin America not discount stores!

kgriggs8@yahoo.com
August 18, 2007, 08:55 PM
Here read some of this if you still think Wal-Mart is on the side of us Americans.
http://wakeupwalmart.com/facts/

joab
August 18, 2007, 10:42 PM
Couldn't get past the first strawman before finding a glaring misinformational sounds good if you say fast it "fact"
the most common job in Wal-Mart, earned on average $8.23 an hour for annual wages of $13,861. The 2001 poverty line for a family of three was $14,630For this to mean anything the average Walmart employee would have to be the sole provider for a family of three. Did anybody do that research?

A 2003 wage analysis reported that cashiers, the second most common job, earn approximately $7.92 per hour and work 29 hours a week. This brings in annual wages of only $11,948.And minimum wage is what?
If the dems had had their way and were able to get the minimum wage raised it still would not have been as high as Wally's lowest paid employee
If those employees don't want to work for those wages they are free to upgrade their marketability
The average two-person family (one parent and one child) needed $27,948 to meet basic needs in 2005, well above what Wal-Mart reports that its average full-time associate earns. Wal-Mart claimed that its average associate earned $9.68 an hour in 2005. That would make the average associate's annual wages $17,114.So is Walmart responsible for their employees poor life decisions now?
Are all of their employees single parents?

And on and on

joab
August 18, 2007, 10:46 PM
Anyone have a clue what convenience stores pay?
How about Jiffy lubes and tire stores or McDonalds
Why is it that nobody is demonizing 7-11, or fast food joints for paying their lesser employees lesser wages?

Tomcat47
August 18, 2007, 11:30 PM
I challenge all the Walmart lovers to do one thing for a month straight, and dont cheat....you really have to try!

BUY AMERICAN, SUPPORT YOUR LOCAL BUSINESS PEOPLE, PAY ATTENTION!

chieftan to answer you....I really could care less about a few dollars extra at my local gun shop....I like the friendship.....and walmart has not called me yet and told me ....hey we just got a mint condition Marlin 39, or Cot Gold Cup in on trade...this is what I appreciate...loyalty. not interested in greed.

joab to answer you regarding schrades buyout....do I think they would have closed if they had not gotten a few million items sent back to them...the answer is NO they would not have closed......and as far as the buyout:barf:
I would not trade the broken handle off my old timer (that was made in America ) for a boat load of that crap that Taylor ships in from china.

The bottom line is Loyalty....yeah free markets are well understood, but you also expect your customer to keep what they agree to buy! Instead we have become a group of greedy people that allows any terms, any conditions, anything, anyway to make the sell, but when it comes back and bites us in the butt, we become the sellouts that we were to begin with.:banghead:

And then here those people go raising heck on TV , how bad the company they worked for or there brother worked for was when it closes, not because of anything but we americans did not support them, but that reason never comes up.......its lost in shuffle of excuses for failure.

WE CAN NOT BE A NATION THAT JUST BUYS STUFF.....WE NEED TO MAKE SOMETHING!:banghead:

Ford Mustang....30% American Made
Toyota Sienna .....90% Amerian made....even Toyota knows how to butter there bread in America......

The challenge above is not just a smartass gesture...really try and think...just for four weeks.....I am not so much against W.W. as you think....
WE just need to be the manufacturers that are Mostly or Partly even .....filling the shelves...

And for the most part you can grocery shop at least 10% cheaper at a grocery store...the bulk buy is a farce that you think you got more for your buck. Try that one too.

AND I DO SHOP WALLY WORLD....JUST WATCH WHAT I BUY. :)

And for the subject matter.... You can order about any gun manufactured in the world through Walmart...they are licensed to sell firearms and order from relatively the same suppliers as the gun shops do. I got a Smith & Wesson .300 Magnum from Wally a long time ago...(made in Japan)....but it was a very beautiful high end firearm that shot terriffic.....made a good elk gun for the midwest.....but the muzzle brake at dusk was a education.....didnt know if I got the elk for about 30 minutes.....thought I was welding for a minute or two:)

Any way peace to all.........:cool:

joab
August 19, 2007, 01:53 AM
do I think they would have closed if they had not gotten a few million items sent back to them...the answer is NO they would not have closed......and as far as the buyout
I would not trade the broken handle off my old timer (that was made in America ) for a boat load of that crap that Taylor ships in from china.First thing that is not what I asked
I asked if Schrade woud have closed earlier if the Walmart account didn't prop them up
Second I agree that's why i bought up all the US made Schrades I could find
Pity we didn't support them that well when it would have mattered
But Taylor is doing well, why is that?
Buck also seems to be doing well despite their association with Walmart

And most importantly
You lose credibility when you start with the "Walmart Lovers" crap
Not demonizing an organization and then making stuff up to support that position is not love for the organization but more respect for the system that put them on top, it's capitalism pure and simple
We cant cry foul now just because the Chinese have learned to play the game as well as we

chieftain
August 19, 2007, 07:25 AM
When ever someone questions "loyalty" I begin to pucker. I am loyal to my flag, my God, my family, and myself.

In business matters and buying products, I consider myself before any retailer, manufacturer, or wholesaler.

Every one else must earn my loyalty and work to keep it.

I go to Wally World about 3 times a month. Mostly groceries. And ammunition. Interestingly enough none of it is made in/grown in China.

I don't love Wally World, I just don't hate them. I enjoy their prices on products that they carry at a better price. Dairy products, Bread, etc.....

They don't carry everything I want. I go to other stores. I do what I believe is in my own self interest.

With that said, whenever I visit a Gun Store I will always buy something. Even if it's just patches and a cleaning brush. Why, I support my local shops too. Most of the local shops don't try to compete with Wally, and carry many other types and brands of weapons.

Of my present collection of about 125 weapons, I have purchased, two from Wally World. And if they had what I wanted at a good price, I would do it again.

Once again, Wally ain't perfect, like all those small business folks who apparently are. They just take less of the working mans money. For some reason that seems to incense a lot of folks. Mostly small business folks, Pro union folks, Dimocrats, socialists, Hippies, and most other folks that seem to hate or at least dislike either success, or big successful enterprises. Or don't think Wally is paying their particular cause enough money.

Sort of sounds like politics, don't it?

Go figure.

Fred

Sharps-shooter
August 19, 2007, 10:22 AM
Looks like we've kinda gotten off the gun topic, haven't we?

I often wondered about this with wal-mart guns. I suppose in some instances it's hard to be sure. Saying "I don't know, but I'd rather be on the safe side", or "I don't know, but I'll take my chances" should be resonable responses.

Also, I noticed the other day, on the ruger company's pages about the 10/22, that there are, in fact, certain models of that gun that are sold only at wal-mart. So there are verifiable differences, at least for that gun. Is the less expensive model at wal-mart of lower quality? maybe or maybe not, but you usually get what you pay for.

joab
August 19, 2007, 10:44 AM
Looks like we've kinda gotten off the gun topic, haven't we?Actually no we haven't
Because the whole crux of the WalMart has inferior guns thing is a base uncompromising hatred of WalMart and has very little to do with the guns themselves
I noticed the other day, on the ruger company's pages about the 10/22, that there are, in fact, certain models of that gun that are sold only at wal-mart.Yes WalMart had it's owen version of the 10/22 made,the Deluxe Sproter with a longer barrel . No one has ever accused it of being a factory second and many consider it to be a better gun
They also had one awhile back with a green wood stock

but you usually get what you pay for.Marketing execs are fully aware of this American mentality and make good use of it.
That's why Glocks cost more than Hi Points

kgriggs8@yahoo.com
August 19, 2007, 04:44 PM
I am one that doesn't find it hard NOT to shop at Wal-Mart. I find it quite hard to shop there. I have only gone there maybe twice in the past year and both times, I wish I hadn't. I bought a TV there and later found it cheaper at an electronics store.

I am not impressed with anything having to do with Wal-Mart and that is not because I have a grudge against them. I don't like the people that tend to inhabit WM. Notice I didn't say "shop" there because I don't see much shopping going on, I see mostly people who don't know where they are and what they are doing just sort of miliing around. I go shopping to buy things and when there are half a million retards surrounding me, I get ants in my pants. I can't get out of WM fast enough.

Even if they had the best prices, which they don't, I still wouldn't shop there much. Every time I go there, I feel like I am some sort of day care. Why are there so many freaking kids at WM? Puts your brats on a leash or better yet, leave them at home. They don't need to be there and neither do most people that shop there. I think people are bored so they hang out at WM.

It is no hardship for me to avoid a plce like WM. Add to this the fact that they are anti-American while waving the flag and my vomit meter is pegged.

If WM, E-bay and Pal-Pal are went bankrupt, I would laugh my ass off. I hate them all and want them gone from the face of the earth.

WM doesn't sell guns anymore and soon they won't sell ammo, good. That takes the one reason I would ever shop there away. Now I won't ever have to step foot in that retard's daycare again. My self repect can only go up for not shopping there.

Johnny Guest
August 19, 2007, 05:16 PM
There's a lot of thread veer, from gun quallity toward Wal Mart hatred. Justified or not, this IS off topic.

Also, certain partiicpants have taken to sniping at one another a LOT more than is High Road-worthy. A word to the wise . .

Anyhow, this one is CLOSED.

Johnny

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