Moving up....to the .50


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eastwood44mag
August 7, 2007, 03:05 PM
I think I may buy a .50 BMG just to get one before they're banned. Problem is I have no idea where to start. Semi-auto's are cost prohibitive, and I really don't know enough about the bolt makers to buy smart.

Anyone care to help me out on this one?

Thanks.

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Father Knows Best
August 7, 2007, 03:31 PM
The first .50BMG to be banned would certainly be the semiauto ones. The only one I am currently familiar with, and the one that gets all the media attention, is the Barrett. If I could come up with $7500 right now, I'd be buying one.

The rest of the market is dominated by single shot and repeating (they have a magazine) bolt guns. The Armalite AR-50 is probably the most common. It is a high quality single shot, with a street price (in used but good condition) of $2,000 to $3,000 depending on accessories. The bare rifle will sell for the low end, and one with bipod, a good scope and mounts, case, etc., will sell for $3k or even higher.

You can find decent .50's for as little as $1,000 if you look hard, and they go WAY up depending on make and model, accessories, etc. I really like the Cobb FA-50T, which is a straight-pull bolt action repeater. They are rare, though, and cost in the range of $5-7,000. McMillan makes a highly regarded bolt repeater, also, but again, quality costs $$. A McMillan will set you pack $5k+.

pdowg881
August 7, 2007, 03:36 PM
Ban would just mean to stop manufacture and sale for cilvilian use right?

fletcher
August 7, 2007, 03:38 PM
Ban would just mean to stop manufacture and sale for cilvilian use right?

Most likely. They certainly wouldn't prohibit the government from owning such weapons - they're more trustworthy than us.

50 Shooter
August 7, 2007, 03:45 PM
I have always liked this site for it's info http://www.hevanet.com/50shooter/ and refer new .50 owners/buyers to it.

Read the site first (all of it) and then decide if the .50 is for you, alot of people buy a .50 fire a couple rounds then decide that the .50 isn't for them. If you know someone in your area with a .50 ask them if you can fire a couple rounds to see if it's for you.

With all the people buying .50's right now thinking that a ban might happen and with ammo in short supply, prices have gone through the roof! Not that shooting a .50 was ever cheap, you can expect to pay from $3 per round on the low end and twice that for match stuff.

Lastly, if you buy a .50 join the FCSA and get on the members forum for lots of great info. www.fcsa.org

eastwood44mag
August 7, 2007, 03:53 PM
I plan on making a safe queen out of it. I just bought a new reloading press a couple years back and didn't buy the one capable of handling the .50, and I refuse to buy a new press so soon.

wdlsguy
August 7, 2007, 04:10 PM
Ban would just mean to stop manufacture and sale for cilvilian use right?
The proposal I'm aware of (S. 1331) would declare .50 BMG rifles "destructive devices", meaning you would need an approved Form 1 ($200 tax) before making one, or an approved Form 4 ($200 tax) before taking possession of one.

pdowg881
August 7, 2007, 04:29 PM
I was just at a shooting get together last week where around ten people took turns doing some m2 shooting. You can guess how much that costed the guy.

trbon8r
August 7, 2007, 05:16 PM
What is the cost per round to reload .50 BMG, both for blasting type ammo and match grade stuff?

goalie
August 7, 2007, 05:47 PM
I am quite happy with the build quality, price, and accuracy of my State Arms .50 BMG.

The recoil is less than that of my .308 Savage.

Strongbad
August 7, 2007, 06:54 PM
State Arms builds good rifles.

50 Shooter
August 7, 2007, 07:15 PM
At "todays" prices, it will cost you around $1.50 per round to reload for the .50. That's if you start out with surplus components and the price drops off as you reload the brass.

Match ammo at "todays" prices will run you about $4 each depending on which type of bullet, primer and powder you use. Most match bullets right now are about $2 each, new brass varies from at least a dollar to just under $2 each, you can use pull down surplus powder (not the best for match stuff) all the way to new powder. The widest used primer is the CCI 35, RWS primers haven't been imported to the states in years, there was some Hirtenberger primers out but they've been sold out for awhile. K&P had some IMI primers in stock, you'd have to call them to see if they still have them. If you can find new Win. brass it comes primed from the factory.

eastwood44mag
November 14, 2007, 12:05 AM
So I'm still looking, and have basically settled on a single shot. The question is: Barrett M99, Armalite AR50, or Steyr HS50?

Leaning heavily towards the Armalite, in no small part because NIB they're less than $3K, would prefer a Barrett, and have always liked Steyr as a gunmaker, so I'm kind of on the fence here.

What sayeth you?

PTK
November 14, 2007, 12:45 AM
I "sayeth" you should think about buying a BOHICA Arms FAR-50. (http://www.bohicaarms.com/) $1k and an AR-15 lower gets you a single shot .50BMG. The action is smoother than the AR-50, but I haven't seen an M99 or HS50 to compare them to that.


Best of all - being an upper, there's no 4473 or FFL transfer fee.

trbon8r
November 14, 2007, 11:16 AM
Back when I was considering getting into the .50 BMG game I was looking closely at the Bluegrass Armory Viper. From what I've been able to gather it gets very good reviews. It looks like a lot of gun for the money.

http://www.bluegrassarmory.com/

Conqueror
November 14, 2007, 11:44 AM
The cheapest way to get into the .50 game is with the various .50BMG uppers available for AR-15 lowers. Watson's Weapons sells one for around $1600. Spider sells the Ferret50 as an upper. There are many others too - google "50BMG upper".

Taurus44
November 14, 2007, 12:09 PM
I "sayeth" you should think about buying a BOHICA Arms FAR-50. $1k and an AR-15 lower gets you a single shot .50BMG. The action is smoother than the AR-50, but I haven't seen an M99 or HS50 to compare them to that.

Best of all - being an upper, there's no 4473 or FFL transfer fee.That's what I did! ;)

garrett1955
November 14, 2007, 12:31 PM
I Shoot a Left hand State Arms Rebel 36" Stainless heavy barrel, bi-pod, and a trigger that breaks like glass.

If I were to buy another .50 I would Have Larry at State Arms build me another. These things shoot amazing and have won many FCSA matches. Best of all prices are reasonable.

Eric F
November 14, 2007, 12:41 PM
Not trying to say anything in a negative fasion here but I know a guy that bought a .50 hey great good for him. The problem is its a 1000 yard gun and the best range around here is 200 yards. He owns no property to get the long randg shots he wants to do.

What I am saying here is make sure you have some place to shoot it before you buy it.

Conqueror
November 14, 2007, 02:32 PM
^^^nothing wrong with shooting a .50 at 200 yards. Hell, nothing wrong with buying them to shoot at 30 yards. I just hope to have one before some crazy dem gets in office and bans them altogether.

kaizer
November 14, 2007, 03:22 PM
I feel you OP, I had the bug and was just about to get an LAR, then decided on the Bohica. I am patiently awaiting my upper which should be here late Jan. I have already built the lower for it and have stocked up on about 100 rounds so far.

Gunnerpalace
November 14, 2007, 03:31 PM
To answer OP's question Go for Barrett or Armalite I have heard questionable things on the Steyr, Accuracy is a toss up but the Armalite is a bit better in that catagory,Barrett has good CS from what I have heard, and after reading the "Barrett Letter" I would buy one. I cant Recommend any of the .50 uppers for AR's as I have reservations about them and reliability issues.

Conqueror
November 14, 2007, 03:40 PM
^^^I'm curious as to why you have reservations on their reliability... I've read LOTS of user reports and problems seem to be quite rare regardless of brand.

Gunnerpalace
November 14, 2007, 05:21 PM
I've heard from a few manufacturers that would not suggest it. (A couple did say if you used a .308 lower you would be set)

rc109a
November 14, 2007, 08:36 PM
How much is the once fired brass going for? I have several cans full of this stuff...

The Deer Hunter
November 14, 2007, 09:31 PM
Barrett M99

Thats what I would get. Someday, I plan on getting one. I like how they have the bolt action "bullpup" design which allows the M99 to have a longer barrel, but a much shorter OAL(overall length) than guns with the same length barrel.

Geno
November 14, 2007, 09:34 PM
B.O.H.I.C.A. :D They are really nice uppers and the prices is awesome!

Doc2005

wayne in boca
November 15, 2007, 06:21 AM
Take a look at a Serbu before you commit to anything else.Built with CNC machines,Lothar Walther match barrel.I love mine.

cpileri
November 15, 2007, 06:35 AM
but not named "BOHICA" either:
http://www.ultralite50.com/
another upper.
C-

50 Shooter
November 15, 2007, 12:21 PM
I don't know why this keeps coming up but it seems to rear it's ugly head about once a year or so. There have been NO, NONE, ZERO issues with AR lowers when it comes to mounting a .50 BMG upper to them.

To date I have yet to see any AR lower that has been damaged by a .50 BMG upper and they've been at it for about 10+ years now. If there had been any issues you'd of heard about it after Watson's Weapons first introduced the .50 upper that they sell.

For those of you that are looking at a .50 upper for an AR lower don't worry about this issue. What you will be looking at is buying a dedicated lower as theres more to just slapping that upper on your lower and firing away.

Gunnerpalace
November 15, 2007, 01:20 PM
If you do go the upper route here is an old link:


http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=46720

Got some good info on a few (don't know if Serbu still makes uppers but that would be a good way to go).

50 Shooter
November 15, 2007, 01:25 PM
Mark was actually helping out the OEM with the design, for some reason the MMAG never made it. :o

Gator
November 15, 2007, 03:51 PM
I would avoid the Steyr just for political reasons. (The Iranian sales).

50 Shooter
November 15, 2007, 07:36 PM
Do a search that Iranian thing was BS.

Gator
November 15, 2007, 07:50 PM
How is is BS? Steyr sold the rifles to Iran.

50 Shooter
November 15, 2007, 08:36 PM
And? Are you saying they can't?

The issue was that the rifles were being used to kill U.S. soldiers, the whole story was more of a smear campaign against Steyr. I wouldn't hesitate to buy an HS .50 if they made one chambered in .50 DTC for us Cali people.

People still buy S&W products even after they sold out, so who's worse?

Anyway, this is a thread jack, back to the original topic.

Gator
November 15, 2007, 09:29 PM
That is exactly what I am saying, and why I will not buy Steyr products. I consider that enough reason, and not "BS".

To get back on topic: I have nowhere to shoot a .50, but I have been tempted by one of the BOHICA uppers just because some people don't want me to have one :)

SpeedAKL
November 15, 2007, 09:39 PM
Serbu apparently makes a good .50 for the money. Also check out the Barrett M99 and Armalite AR-50

Gunnerpalace
November 15, 2007, 10:26 PM
50 Shooter Steyr makes one in .460.

50 Shooter
November 16, 2007, 11:36 AM
Here's the problem with the Steyr .460, if you think ammo for the .50 BMG is expensive... Get ready for sticker shock because the .460 ammo is $9 PER ROUND!!

http://www.aaa-ammo.com/steyr.htm

longhorngunman
November 16, 2007, 08:35 PM
I went through this several months ago and ended up with a Bluegrass Armory Viper www.bluegrassarmory.com . It seems to be a very well made gun that doesn't break the bank, now I just need to finally scope it so I can shoot it!:D. The best deal is to order straight from BGA, not through a dealer, call BGA and ask for getting it at dealer cost.

BTW nothing wrong with going with one of the .50 uppers, just realize you'll need a dedicated lower and probably have to upgrade to a heavier hammer spring. One great thing abou the uppers is they ain't considered a firearm themselves, NO #'s for JBT's to ever find.:D

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