A CCW badge?


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Cannonball888
August 7, 2007, 09:48 PM
Could this badge really be useful or is it just a waste of money?
http://ssl.maxsell.com/ProductBoxDetails.aspx?ProductID=2053&sm=2

Here is the company's video to convince you that you need one.
http://www.armorquick.com/maxsell.ram

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AntiqueCollector
August 7, 2007, 09:52 PM
No you don't need it, it's a bad idea...

MrFabulous
August 7, 2007, 09:58 PM
You display your BADGE to the police and shout, "DON'T SHOOT. I'M A LEGALLY LICENSED HAND GUN OWNER."

:D

Badges are a bad idea. I think it's pretty universal with the exception of the mall ninjas. You just open up an entirely new realm of getting yourself killed by accident or arrested for impersonating an officer.

baz
August 7, 2007, 10:02 PM
Ditto this as a bad idea. Cops won't respect it. It says "cop wannabe." I don't want to be a cop. I just want to be accepted, and respected, as an armed citizen, with the right to bear arms. The cops I know respect the license I have to carry. I don't need no stinkin' badge. :neener:

jcord
August 7, 2007, 10:02 PM
Shortly after I got my Florida permit, I received an offer in the mail from Florida.gov for a badge.

I look at it as an opportunity to be accused of impersonating a police officer.

Sistema1927
August 7, 2007, 10:03 PM
Isn't this about the fifth thread on this topic?

:confused:

Ragnar Danneskjold
August 7, 2007, 10:06 PM
Closer to fiftieth.

Mr White
August 7, 2007, 10:10 PM
Kinda defeats the purpose of concealed carry.

But... I've seen them advertised in magazines. If they were $5 and not $40, I'd probably get one, not to wear it or carry it, but just because it is SO cheesy.

mustanger98
August 7, 2007, 10:10 PM
While I see it as a bad idea under the current legal climate, as well as currently being just some stupid something to make money and outfit Mall Ninjas, I wonder about the two comments quoted below.

Shortly after I got my Florida permit, I received an offer in the mail from Florida.gov for a badge.

You said this was from Florida.gov, so I'm wondering why they'd be wanting to sell a phony baloney deal to a citizen who's gone through the background checks and proven to be law-abiding. This is the first I've heard of this.

I look at it as an opportunity to be accused of impersonating a police officer.

This is what I wonder about even moreso; why the state of Florida would offer a law-abiding citizen the opportunity to be charged with impersonating an police officer?

I do recall another thread somebody started because their state requires that armed agents of recognized companies have a badge and IIRC some sort of state mandated training. But to have a badge for no good reason in a legal and political climate where such isn't legally recognized... as others have said, bad idea.

sm
August 7, 2007, 10:12 PM
http://www.thehighroad.org/showpost.php?p=2474408&postcount=31

mustanger98
August 7, 2007, 10:20 PM
Regarding post #8, I agree that wearing a badge openly does defeat the purpose of concealed carry. Even cops, either plain clothes or off duty, do not display their badges. I recall one of regular poster here, Jeff White, saying unless he's working a detail, his badge is concealed and that there are reasons nobody wants to "get made" for a cop. Yet, every time this subject comes up, we see a flurry of guys sarcastically saying "so let me get this straight; I'm supposed to conceal my gun but I'm supposed to wear this big ol' Marshall Dillon badge on my chest that says I'm carrying concealed". And I'm like "ummm, no" because if such became "the deal" then there'd be guidelines, probably similar to agents and officers, for how the badge would be carried and used. Unless I missed something, none of those guidelines would include unnecessarily flashing the badge around. But at this time, such is not "the deal", so why worry about it.

Personally, I wouldn't give two bits for a fake badge, but I agree that it's pretty cheesy and in some way it's also funny. I guess the funny part is how the mall ninjas are eating this stuff up.

.cheese.
August 7, 2007, 10:25 PM
wow. Their video advertisement more or less tries to get the message across of, "Buy our badge, or you'll be shot by the police..... You don't want to live don't you? Then buy our badge!"

I've heard of ads that had balls, but this takes the cake.

Larry Ashcraft
August 7, 2007, 10:29 PM
Closer to fiftieth.
That's about right.

But what the heck, this is the only one showing on the first page, right? :D

Gord
August 8, 2007, 12:07 AM
Needs more rhinestone/cubic zirconia/Swarovski crystals.

Seriously, I can't think of many things that scream "I am way too full of myself" more than a CCW badge. Might as well look the part with a little bling.

From the product page:
The police pull up to the scene and the dirtbag shouts, "He's going to shoot me. KILL HIM!"
WHAT DO YOU DO?

Roll your eyes? Great sales pitch - "BUY OUR BADGE OR THE POLICE WILL KILL YOU BASED ON THE UNCORROBORATED INFORMATION FURNISHED BY SOMEONE WHO'S JUST AS MUCH OF A SUSPECT AS YOU ARE, MOMENTS AFTER THEY ARRIVE ON THE SCENE, WITH NO IDEA WHAT'S GOING ON." :rolleyes:

Sticking your hand in your pocket/inside your jacket to "pull out your CCW badge" while an officer with handgun trained on you orders you (along with "the dirtbag") to the ground sounds like an extraordinarily effective way to get shot. There goes that theory.

What ever happened to common sense? Reading through the sales pitch, the answer should be a no-brainer [begin edit]: spend your money on some Kevlar underpants like mine instead, and you can perform the deadly "doggiestyle takedown/restraint" on the dirtbag while simultaneously being protected from police gunfire in the event of any ADs/NDs:

http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/9034/doggiestyletechniquexn4.png

mustanger98
August 8, 2007, 12:11 AM
Tactical Ninja, Your post bears no mention of tactical whizbangitry or kevlar underpants. Just thought I'd inform you as per the request in your signature line so the error can be corrected.:neener:

Gord
August 8, 2007, 12:33 AM
Just thought I'd inform you as per the request in your signature line so the error can be corrected.

And it has been. Me and my sloppy oversights. ;)

fast eddie
August 8, 2007, 12:43 AM
That thing cracks me up everytime I see it. It would make a fine gag gift although $44 is way too much.

arthurcw
August 8, 2007, 01:51 AM
How 'bout you pay ME $44 and I'll teach you 4 things to do when attacked by Crocodile Dundee:

a) Place your hands up SLOWLY when an LEO arrives to take control of the screen.

b) Comply with the officer’s commands and surrender your weapon.

c) DO NOT turn to face the officer with your gun extended looking like you are trying to cover him with the muzzle of your weapon.

d) DO NOT turn to face the officer with your gun extended looking like you are trying to cover him with the muzzle of your weapon.

I realize that is technically only 3 things. But the last one is so important I thought it should really be driven home.

hmmm... 10 bucks a bullet point. Need 4 more dollars of learin'? Oooh-Kaay. Keep your booger hook of the bang switch until you are actually going to fire! (surprised he didn’t ND when the cops drove up!).

That’ll be $44.

To the OP… not snarked at you. This add just made me puke. Not your fault there are sleazy scuzzwad a-holes trying to turn a buck by scaring people.

Frankly I don’t think this is one of those topics that should be closed at the drop of a hat. Yes it’s redundant, but if it stops one person from buying one of the things…

It’s for the children.

Troutman
August 8, 2007, 02:09 AM
<<A CCW badge?>>

http://www.topfunpages.com/imgs/page_imgs/hf0402/laughing.gif

ShooterMcGavin
August 8, 2007, 02:38 AM
It would make a fine gag gift although $44 is way too much.
That is so true!! If it were cheaper, I would totally get badges for a few of my friends :) Then they could feel official.

Nomad101bc
August 8, 2007, 02:56 AM
Theres entirely different training for LEO's than concealed carry owners. You dont have any specail rights you just get to excersize all of your constitutional ones. As a concealed carry you just know gun safety and basic self defense rules. You dont have any more authority in a bad sitaution than an ordinary citizen. The badge is stupid because it empowers you to think your some sort of police force auxilary.

The badge also as several have said is a great chance to get charges pressed against you for impersonating a cop.

Autolycus
August 8, 2007, 03:10 AM
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=267234&highlight=badge

AlaskaErik
August 8, 2007, 04:42 AM
You want a badge? Then go to the academy and earn it. CCW badges are one of the stupidest things out there. The typical buyer is just a wannabe.

joab
August 8, 2007, 05:16 AM
Not even through the first page and we have already made it through all the obligatory arguments against the badge

Police impersonation, wannabe needs to go through the academy, badge will give away your concealed gun (I guess concealing a badge would be so much harder than concealing a gun)Your friends will make fun of you for being a mall Ninja

There are really no valid reasons for not carrying a badge other than the $44 would be better spent on practice ammo or a decent holster
I also can not think of a really good reason to carry one

Perhaps having one pinned next to your holster in the off chance that you accidentally flash your gun would cause the uneducated to not immediately call the police (In Florida that could go badly for you)
But that's as far as I can stretch

hankdatank1362
August 8, 2007, 10:49 AM
Perhaps having one pinned next to your holster in the off chance that you accidentally flash your gun would cause the uneducated to not immediately call the police (In Florida that could go badly for you)


Now I don't wanna get flamed, but I can see a couple uses ofr a badge, just like the one posted above. Or, you could keep it in your back pocket, and if you happen to come uncovered in front of grandma or a soccer mom, and they start to scream, a quick flash of shiny gold and you saying that you're liscensed to carry ought to shut them up. You can only go to prison for impersonating a police officer if you say you are a police officer. Don't say that.



All that being said, no, I don't own one of those friggin' badges.

XavierBreath
August 8, 2007, 11:06 AM
Wow.......I was going to shut this thread down as one that has been repeated over and over. Larry didn't though, so who am I to do so?

CCW badge........bad idea.

http://thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=62069&stc=1&d=1186585581

Justin
August 8, 2007, 11:15 AM
Why shut it down? You know that the entertainment value alone makes it worth leaving open.

230RN
August 8, 2007, 11:15 AM
Sure, what the h3ll, go ahead, get one.

Get some handcuffs, too.

Who's the chick in boy-drag?

(Boy, if that wisecrack doesn't get it shut down, nothing will.)

highfive
August 8, 2007, 11:19 AM
Very bad idea :barf: i don't think anybody wants to carry one of those. let's leave the fake badges for the kids. they'll love them and drive you crazy at the same time, trying to arrest you. lol yes i got kids :p

drbironhead
August 8, 2007, 11:26 AM
A badge is a sign of authority. Having a C.C.W. does not give you the authority to do anything. If you have your C.C.W. permit on then you are fine

Jorg Nysgerrig
August 8, 2007, 11:29 AM
Perhaps having one pinned next to your holster in the off chance that you accidentally flash your gun would cause the uneducated to not immediately call the police

I think you'll find that the people who pin their badge next to their holster "accidentally flash" their gun at every chance they get.

joab
August 8, 2007, 11:33 AM
I think you'll find that the people who pin their badge next to their holster "accidentally flash" their gun at every chance they get.I think that might be projecting

I think you might find people that consider this are more likely to just be afraid of the consequences for accidentally flashing and/or are new to CCW

I think you will find that a lot of these people making up these ridiculous reasons for not using the badge have their own issues

Justin
August 8, 2007, 11:45 AM
Much like those idiotic bootleg "Calvin Peeing on X" stickers, I would see a CCW badge as a way for a person to identify themselves as someone I don't wish to associate with.

Desk Jockey
August 8, 2007, 11:46 AM
THIS IS MY BADGE. (http://www.orientaltrading.com/application?namespace=browse&origin=searchMain.jsp&event=link.itemDetails&demandPrefix=12&sku=48/4990&mode=Searching&erec=4&D=badge&Ntt=badge&Ntk=all&Dx=mode%252bmatchallpartial&Ntx=mode%252bmatchallpartial&y=20&N=0&x=17&sd=FOAM+%22SHERIFF%22+BADGE+CRAFT+KIT) I wear it proudly every time I carry.

arthurcw
August 8, 2007, 11:50 AM
here's mine:

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa198/gunpicforothers/mallninja.jpg

Big Calhoun
August 8, 2007, 11:58 AM
I think in one of the 50 threads about this topic, the best answer to the question was something along the lines of, "...makes a good target."

Justin
August 8, 2007, 12:01 PM
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=62070&d=1186588863

Bonus points to anyone who can ID the font. ;)

XavierBreath
August 8, 2007, 12:03 PM
Anyone have a picture of the blue and yellow CCW t-shirt?

Jorg Nysgerrig
August 8, 2007, 12:11 PM
I think that might be projecting
Tell me, Dr. Freud, what am I projecting? My subconcious worries about being found out? Or perhaps I'm trying to hide my inherent attraction to cheap shiny things as a result of being raised by a mixed foster family raccoons and ravens?

I think you might find people that consider this are more likely to just be afraid of the consequences for accidentally flashing and/or are new to CCW.

Really? I think you'd more likely find they want to be mistaken for cops. The first time I ran into a CCW badge was about 10 years ago. The guy said he clipped it to his belt next to his gun in the event his jacket opened up, people would think he was a cop and not freak out. This guy also carried handcuffs and drove a surplus white Crown Vic with the spotlights and extra antennae intact. No chance he wanted to be mistaken for a cop, eh? Ask around a bit. Chances are you'll find that the guys who carry one of these aren't trembling newbies terrified of their own shadow seeing their gun. They are mainly posers who want to be mistaken for cops.


I think you will find that a lot of these people making up these ridiculous reasons for not using the badge have their own issues
The reason to not have a badge is due to lack of good reasons to have one, full stop. Not a single pro-CCW badge person has formed a real argument for carrying one that isn't based on the idea that you may be mistaken for a cop and therefore treated differently. You even said yourself that you can't think of a good reason to carry one, but for some reason you feel the need to bash the various reasons not to carry one.

You seem to be awfully quick to declare everyone else has issues. More projection, Sigmund? Sometimes a bad idea is just a bad idea.


While I have no editing skills, I feel obligated to post this one I made for the sheep dog pin thread.
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=59493

Cannonball888
August 8, 2007, 12:55 PM
CCW badge........bad idea.

http://thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=62069&stc=1&d=1186585581

Elvis was a black belt so that must be his "My Hands Are Lethal Weapons" badge and he is openly carrying. Now, if his hands were in his pockets...

Erebus
August 8, 2007, 01:31 PM
I keep picturing a couple Mall Ninja types flashing their badges on the end of a chain like Wayne and Garth at the Alice Cooper concert.

Those things are just plain ridiclous. Having said that. I don't think you will ever get charged with impersonating just for carrying one of those. You would have to do something else like verbally claim to be an officer or try and pulll someone over by flashing it. Or claim police powers while displaying it.

230RN
August 8, 2007, 01:44 PM
Bright shiny badges satisfy my inner Magpie.

XavierBreath
August 8, 2007, 01:48 PM
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=62076&stc=1&d=1186595242
Buy it now (http://www.cafepress.com/buy/ccw/-/pv_design_prod/p_1154907.142984258/pNo_142984258/id_19219783/fpt_/opt_/c_360/pg_2)...$27.99

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=62078&stc=1&d=1186595471
Another one (http://www.cafepress.com/buy/ccw/-/pv_design_prod/p_2342561.150617660/pNo_150617660/id_20755719/fpt_/opt_/c_360/pg_4)..... $29.99

arthurcw
August 8, 2007, 02:00 PM
Here's where I WISH I had PhotoShop. I'm begging someone to put the yellow CCW shirt on Elvis!!!!

mustanger98
August 8, 2007, 02:01 PM
With mention of some who think just having any ol' badge gives them powers of arrest, it necessarily brings up the issue of Citizen's Arrest which I've brought up before in other threads. Being a CCW licensee in your respective states neither augments nor diminishes a citizen's authority to make an arrest when a felony is committed in his/her presence. No fake badge will augment this right/responsibility. A citizen has to know his/her Rights and what the limits/legalities are regarding making such an arrest because a private citizen cannot use any more force than a cop can. And you must be sure it was a felony that was committed.

mustanger98
August 8, 2007, 02:03 PM
Oh, and the Elvis picture... IIRC, he'd gotten into badge collecting. And there was that one time he'd gotten drugged up and got loose from his handlers and flown to DC and visited with President Nixon. Seems Elvis got it in his head that he wanted to be a DEA agent, so Nixon got him a badge and got their picture made and everything.

Zen21Tao
August 8, 2007, 02:09 PM
http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/7025/mallninjabadge7xw.jpg

ArfinGreebly
August 8, 2007, 02:19 PM
That's just mean!

:D

Of course, you could have one with a big red bullseye target that says CCW carrier, too.

"SHOOT ME FIRST! I HAVE THE GUN!"

Oh --

And the Mall Nija badge? Priceless.

GEM
August 8, 2007, 02:22 PM
You should carry an unchambered Glock along with the CCW badge.

Do you recommend a CCW badge for wife and/or girl friend?

Do I need an OC carrier badge?

Should I put my CCW badge in my fake Ayoob recommended toss away wallet?

Maybe I should just tatoo the 2nd Amend. on my forehead?

outdoorman63
August 8, 2007, 02:23 PM
very bad idea

Batmaxwyo
August 8, 2007, 02:33 PM
The badge is just a gimic to make money, and to convince fools that they need one. Common sense and a level head will bring you out on top every time.

Carl N. Brown
August 8, 2007, 02:34 PM
Why does this keep coming up?
oh, because they keep trying to sell those badges, I guess.

No firearms instructor or law enforcement officer I know of has
ever recommended a civilian carry concealed weapons badge.
The state handgun carry permit law does not require it.

There was one incident, where a shopowner chased robbers out
of his shop with a handgun; officers responding to robbery with
shots fired encountered an armed man in the parking lot who
did not obey their command to drop his weapon; shopkeeper
shot dead. Bad all the way around. Would a civilian CCW badge
have prevented it? Probably not. Would NOT chasing the robbers
after they had left the shop have prevented it? Probably so.
The robbers had left; he had successfully defended himself,
his employees and his shop. Chasing the robbers turned a good
outcome bad.

I have a Handgun Carry Permit in my wallet. I have been walked
through what to do, what not to do, in a self-defense situation.
I donn need no stinking badge.

MinnMooney
August 8, 2007, 02:37 PM
Some CCW mag. offers a hat with a logo about CCW. Also a bad idea. What part of conceal don't they get?

Except if the cops arrived in the original scenario, you wouldn't have to reach inside your pocket. Just turn your head toward them and say, "See? I'm legal."

novaDAK
August 8, 2007, 02:42 PM
Maybe I should just tatoo the 2nd Amend. on my forehead? or arm :D
http://i.walmart.com/i/p/00/09/36/24/93/0009362493002_500X500.jpg

Big Calhoun
August 8, 2007, 02:47 PM
Bonus points to anyone who can ID the font.

Mulsanne?

rantingredneck
August 8, 2007, 02:51 PM
They should offer a free CCW bumper sticker to go with it. :)

And then maybe a yard sign.

imatt
August 8, 2007, 02:54 PM
Horrible, horrible idea.

"Shoot me, the only logical conclusion is that I'm impersonating you because there's no way you can read the writing on what appears to be a police badge because you're so far away."

CajunBass
August 8, 2007, 03:09 PM
Horrible, horrible idea

Oh drat. And here I've wanted one of those since I saw them in the back of a Spider Man comic book, right next to the X-ray glasses that let you look right through the girls clothes. :rolleyes:

Carl N. Brown
August 8, 2007, 04:27 PM
Oh, I want those glasses, and the Sea Monkeys, and the
eight foot space ship for my backyard. I looked at those
comic book ads, and never did send off an order. Drat.
Life is fleeting, and there is no going back.

PressCheck
August 8, 2007, 04:44 PM
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q32/dppnerd/AwJeezNotThisSheetAgain1.jpg

Justin
August 8, 2007, 05:16 PM
Ultimately, I couldn't have put it any better.

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