Background information on silencers


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Oleg Volk
August 8, 2007, 05:06 AM
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Lester Flatts
August 8, 2007, 10:05 AM
Oleg, great job.

That looks like a Colt Woodsman, I'd love to know more about that Maxim silencer.

tydephan
August 8, 2007, 10:22 AM
Excellent image Oleg. Great message.

Shouldn't there be a period after "alike?"

matt87
August 8, 2007, 10:30 AM
Nice work Oleg!

Hiram Maxim was the one to produce a commercially viable supressor/muffler (he called it a silencer; misleading marketing trick which has stuck), as well as the machine gun. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supressor#History

XD Fan
August 8, 2007, 10:34 AM
Like this one a lot.

springmom
August 8, 2007, 10:55 AM
Nice one. But yes, put a period after "alike".

Springmom

Oleg Volk
August 8, 2007, 02:19 PM
Will add the period.

I thought that the father Maxim made the MG and the son Maxim the muffler.

matt87
August 8, 2007, 03:57 PM
Good call Oleg. Perhaps I should pay more attention to middle names!

DoubleTapDrew
August 8, 2007, 04:41 PM
Excellent poster.

I think firearms should come with silencers/suppressors (and reclassified as Title I). You don't drive a car off the dealer's lot without a muffler.

MD_Willington
August 8, 2007, 04:49 PM
Would be nice if I could actually USE one in my area as opposed to just own one... In WA it would make for a nice expensive paperweight...

CDignition
August 8, 2007, 04:59 PM
I love mine..:)

Carl N. Brown
August 8, 2007, 05:02 PM
Doesn't Finland actively promote use of silencers to help
prevent hearing loss among sportsmen?

MD_Willington
August 8, 2007, 08:33 PM
Norway does, people see using one as a common courtesy to their neighbors...

The laws here are silly sometimes... the whole NFA thing just looks like a tax grab or elitism, where only certain people are allowed to own certain tools...

Yep I'm rolling my eyes here...

Poprivit
August 8, 2007, 09:00 PM
I have a supressor on my Savage bolt-action .22 rifle. I also have a lot fewer rabbits eating my garden.

What? Oh, below Carson City, NV. My frontyard has sidewalks, grass, paved streets. My backyard? BLM for miles. My biggest problem with my guns (Class I and Class III) is loading the MG's magazines and letting my neighbors shoot the other "quiet" ones.

ArfinGreebly
August 8, 2007, 09:11 PM
I don't believe you've been properly welcomed to THR.

Howdy, and glad to have you.

I'm just up the road from you, a few blocks from the governor's mansion.

Sounds like you live not far from our general contractor (the one we use for our endless remodel).

Which range do you mostly use?

I use the one off Flint Drive in Carson. Only been to the one South of Gardnerville once.

Anyway. Welcome.

Nomad101bc
August 8, 2007, 09:16 PM
I wish I had a .22 semi auto with a silencer. On one morning run at my college i could have bagged the legal limit of 6 rabbits...I highly doubt CT has legalized silencers rather curius about missouri though.

ec-10
August 9, 2007, 02:36 AM
No mufflers allowed in Missouri.

samueld308
August 9, 2007, 04:16 AM
Great pic Oleg.
I didn't get to meet you at the shoot in Winchester.
I had to work.
We'll get together the next time.

Zoogster
August 9, 2007, 06:53 AM
Nice pic. I however ran across a reason to never ever use a silencer on a firearm for self defense.

30 year federal enhancement for use of a silencer or machinegun in a violent crime.

This means if the shooting is not ruled in your favor, and say they decide to give you a few years for involuntary manslaughter, or if they live some form of violent felony or something because they decided you did not retreat enough or something yet it was otherwise valid self defense(in places with a duty to retreat) that violent charge with a silencer makes you eligable under 18 USC 924 C:

"c)(1) Whoever, during and in relation to any crime of violence or drug trafficking crime (including a crime of violence or drug trafficking crime which provides for an enhanced punishment if committed by the use of a deadly or dangerous weapon or device) for which he may be prosecuted in a court of the United States, uses or carries a firearm, shall, in addition to the punishment provided for such crime of violence or drug trafficking crime, be sentenced to imprisonment for five years, and if the firearm is a short-barreled rifle, short-barreled shotgun, or semiautomatic assault weapon, to imprisonment for ten years, and if the firearm is a machinegun, or a destructive device, or is equipped with a firearm silencer or firearm muffler, to imprisonment for thirty years. In the case of his second or subsequent conviction under this subsection, such person shall be sentenced to imprisonment for twenty years, and if the firearm is a machinegun, or a destructive device, or is equipped with a firearm silencer or firearm muffler, to life imprisonment without release. (FOOTNOTE 1) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, the court shall not place on probation or suspend the sentence of any person convicted of a violation of this subsection, nor shall the term of imprisonment imposed under this subsection run concurrently with any other term of imprisonment including that imposed for the crime of violence or drug trafficking crime in which the firearm was used or carried"

Suddenly NFA articles for self defense do not look so appealing. A jury deciding against you but taking it easy on you because of the self defense situation and giving you say a couple years or the amount of time you were behind bars in trial with time served would still make you eligable for 30 additional years.
Pulling such a weapon on someone to prevent a crime and getting charged with assault with a deadly weapon or similar "violent" crime using the firearm as a deterent as some mention doing? 30 additional years with a silencer. No thanks.
I hope to never get charged with a crime for defending myself, but in the unfortunate chance that I do the last thing I want is insane illogical enhancements that prohibit probation and mandate 30 additional federal years.

MD_Willington
August 9, 2007, 11:02 AM
Suppressed .22LR would be the ticket around here for critters... but it will not happen without a big backing of supporters.

Carl N. Brown
August 9, 2007, 11:22 AM
Banning silencers because movie gangsters screwed them on the
end of their revolver barrels is about as sensible as banning spats
because move gangsters wore spats.

Gunshots fired inside buildings are rarely noticed outside, and
criminal use of silencers is mostly urban legend stuff. Maxim
made his silencer for the same reason Finland and Norway keep
them legal, to protect the hearing of the shooter and to
reduce noise pollution.

TonyStarks
August 9, 2007, 11:26 AM
Oleg, is that a Hi Standard HD Military .22 ?
If it is, where did you find that thing?
Great Poster BTW!

Oleg Volk
August 9, 2007, 01:25 PM
The pistol is a Colt. The props came from http://www.advanced-armament.com collection.

Huge high-res version for printing (http://olegvolk.net/gallery/technology/arms/muffler9605_001.jpg.html?g2_imageViewsIndex=1)

zeroskillz
August 9, 2007, 02:22 PM
Nice one! I was about to ask where you get your great props....

nrawling
August 9, 2007, 02:32 PM
I highly doubt CT has legalized silencers rather curius about missouri though.

Actually, suppressors are legal in Connecticut. All of my local gunstores carry them. You can even have machine guns in this state, you just can't have a semi-auto AK-47 or a select-fire anything.

Nomad101bc
August 9, 2007, 02:46 PM
LOL we ban AK's but have uzi's and everything else lmao. This state has wild laws but given silencers cost around 1000$ when all is said and done I think ill pass and just by an air rifle as a critter solution.

wdlsguy
August 9, 2007, 03:32 PM
MSRP is $325 on a Gemtech Outback-II, $250 on a Tactical Innovations TAC65. :D

Sungun09
August 10, 2007, 08:24 PM
I know a removeable silencer is taxed but I keep reading about .22s that have a built in silencer. Are these legal without a tax stamp or simply irrelevant since they are built in ??

The Viking
August 10, 2007, 10:25 PM
The law dealing with suppressors was relaxed a bit here last year. License is still required for suppressors, but they are now almost shall issue for some types of weapons (hunting rifles class 1 and 2). :).
IOW, it can be done guys! Keep fighting!

GlowinPontiac
August 10, 2007, 11:44 PM
I heard that CT only bans Ak's chambered in 7.62x39?
Ive seen people shooting them at the range before but they were shooting other calibers out of them.

Feanaro
August 10, 2007, 11:54 PM
I know a removeable silencer is taxed but I keep reading about .22s that have a built in silencer. Are these legal without a tax stamp or simply irrelevant since they are built in ??

The tax applies regardless. Built in suppressors are made because they can be quieter and smaller, not taxes.

Brian Williams
August 12, 2007, 05:50 PM
It is a Colt woodsman 1st series and USFA is going to start making them with a Maxim silencer.

igor
August 12, 2007, 06:12 PM
Doesn't Finland actively promote use of silencers to help
prevent hearing loss among sportsmen?

To say "actively promote" is a bit much perhaps, but they certainly aren't frowned upon! Suppressors are not considered firearms parts that would need permits or registration, nor is there any tax besides VAT attached.

Many hunters use them, especially the younger generations who still can partake in a normal conversation... ;) And so do many casual summer cottage or gravel pit plinkers, just not to disturb the neighbors/attract unnecessary attention. It seems to me that it's the .22 pistols and rifles that especially often are offered with a suppressor package off the shelf.

The prevalence of suppressors isn't considered a big problem as to poaching, but SBRs seem very much so. I think this a bit controversial. I'd dearly like to get a shorty AR upper for military 3-gun and IPSC rifle competitions, but those licences remain a PITA to obtain.

Ranb
August 15, 2007, 09:44 PM
Mr. Volk,

I am debating silencers on the www.Randi.org forum, may I use this pic? Thanks.

Ranb

Oleg Volk
August 15, 2007, 10:13 PM
Of course.

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