Thick recoil pad for AR-15?


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PTK
August 8, 2007, 10:23 PM
I have an A2 stock that I would like to have serious recoil reduction with. It's going to be used with a .50BMG upper. I haven't found any soft recoil reducing buttpads yet.

Does anyone have a lead?

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nalioth
August 8, 2007, 10:46 PM
Why not use one of those fancy mercury filled buffers?

PTK
August 8, 2007, 11:12 PM
Because no matter how much weight I add (within reason), a hard piece of plastic smacking into my shoulder will hurt.

praharin
August 8, 2007, 11:23 PM
add another muzzle break ;) or just get one of the slip on ones. it should work, somehow

SomeKid
August 9, 2007, 12:02 AM
I have some slip ons that work really well, but I can't remember the name.

arthurcw
August 9, 2007, 01:36 AM
It's going to be used with a .50BMG upper.

That will hurt. :eek:

I didn't know there was such an animal.

Deer Hunter
August 9, 2007, 01:40 AM
The Shooter's Friend from Cabelas is the best recoil pad on the market.

Lone_Gunman
August 9, 2007, 01:41 AM
I am confused. How are you going to get a 50 BMG round in an AR Lower?

Geno
August 9, 2007, 01:43 AM
Wrong way to go. Buy the shoulder pad. They sell a magnum recoil pads that strap on over the shirt, jacket, etc. They really decrease felt recoil.

I have one and am very pleased with it. It makes firing the .300 Wea. Mag and the .375 H&H Mag a pleassure...like a .308 in felt recoil in the shoulder, and I, my friend, have 3 levels fused in the neck.

I too am getting a .50 BMG for my upper, and am confident that the recoil pad will decrease the felt recoil to a level of non-issue. If it doesn't, no recoil pad will. At that point, I would have a better brake installed.

Lone Gunman: Here you go http://www.bohicaarms.com/

Doc2005

PTK
August 9, 2007, 01:46 AM
Doc - I have the PAST "magnum" 1 inch thick pad. I guess I'm just paranoid about the whole breaking the collarbone problem when going prone with a light, high-recoil weapon.

Geno
August 9, 2007, 01:50 AM
Ah...okay...prone. Nope, I can't do that. Not with a fused neck. Now I see why the concern. I would go straight to a better break. Check the http://www.ferret50.com muzzle break. They claim it to be among the best. I imagine they would install it.

PTK
August 9, 2007, 01:51 AM
Yes, like I said, I'm terrified. I'll be shooting standing, then kneeling, then off the bench, then prone. Here's hoping all goes well.

The Deer Hunter
August 9, 2007, 01:52 AM
You might want to look into a Caldwell Ledsled. It may be spelled lead sled.

Geno
August 9, 2007, 01:54 AM
PTK:

Did you buy the 24" or 30" barrel for your Bohica? I got the 24" for mine, because it reduces recoil.

I can't wait for it to arrive!

Doc2005

Flyboy73
August 9, 2007, 01:55 AM
I talked to Bothica arms about the Recoil pad and cheek pad pictured on a ACE stock on their home page. Its a custom recoil and cheek pad they sell for $100.

Maybe you could see if they can make one to fit your A2 stock.

I just placed my name on a list for an upper. I have A2 and collapsing stock. I know the collapsing is out. I do like the look of the ACE stock, but not sure if i will get one or use a A2 stock.

Still in process of deciding about stocks, also thinking i should get another lower dedicated to the 50. You can get a complete DPMS lower for $160 or a lower with A2 stock for $205, from RGUNS. Optics is another item to think about.

Brion

PTK
August 9, 2007, 01:57 AM
30" barrel here. As for optics, I went with a Burris 3-9x40 Ballistic Plex riflescope.

DoubleTapDrew
August 9, 2007, 02:08 AM
I would say your best bet would be a Limbsaver Recoil Pad (http://www.limbsaver.com/) and you may want to try a past slip on shoulder pad as well. I use one when sighting in the weatherby. If limbsaver doesn't have one specifically for the A2 stock you can get one of the "grind to fit" ones.
If you are going to be shooting from a bench the Caldwell Lead Sled is a shoulder saver with 100+lbs in the tray. We got ours from Midway (about $120 or so). It makes a .300 weatherby or .375 H&H feel like a .223 :)

Flyboy73
August 9, 2007, 02:09 AM
I went with as 24" barrel. I see that he recommends the Burris as a good scope. And Natchez has a special on them for $199 and a free spoting scope.

I Just Emailed Bothica and asked if there custom pad can or can be made to fit a A2 stock.

Brion

PTK
August 9, 2007, 02:40 AM
Son-of-a!!! I didn't get the spotting scope when I ordered... and I just ordered it recently. Oh well!

Geno
August 9, 2007, 11:16 AM
Flyboy73:

Welcome to the Club Bohica!

I can't wait for my upper to arrive! I plan to mount my 4X ACOG on mine. Then, I'll take it to the field and verify the exact yardages of impact for the ACOGs trajectory markings. Since I plan to keep my Bohica .50 BMG around purely for SHTF scenarios that are 99.99999999999% improbable, I don't plan to put a big, dedicated scope on it. I won't be using it for regular target shooting, etc. That would merit a good scope.

In closing, can you believe the price on these uppers?! $995.00?! Lordy sakes alive...300 rounds of ammo costs more than the upper.

Doc2005

Flyboy73
August 9, 2007, 02:46 PM
Just got an email from Cabelas for the Burris Fullfield II 4.5-14x42 Riflescope Landmark Spotting Scope Combo for $329.99

http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/product/standard-item.jsp?_DARGS=/cabelas/en/common/catalog/item-link.jsp_A&_DAV=email&id=0049840790204a&navCount=0&podId=0049840&parentId=cat602870&masterpathid=&navAction=push&catalogCode=1AH&rid=&parentType=index&indexId=cat602870&hasJS=true

Just have to decide if i want the 3x9 or the 4.5x14 scope.


Brion

Flyboy73
August 9, 2007, 02:49 PM
Oh i forgot to mention I got an Email back from Bothica about the Recoil pads, he says he only making them for Ace & Magpul Tactical stock right now.


Brion

Coronach
August 9, 2007, 03:36 PM
Wait...doesn't this thing have a muzzle brake? Assuming the brake is efficient, you won't break any bones or detach any retinas. If it was delivering that much force to the shoulder, the pivot hole on the lower would deform in pretty short order.

Mike

Flyboy73
August 9, 2007, 06:56 PM
It does have a brake. Recoil is supposed to be like a 30.06 or a 3.5 12 guage.

I think if you use a A2 stock on it, would like a rocoil pad it.

Brion

Geno
August 9, 2007, 07:02 PM
The Bohica muzzle break has 4 ports, compared to Ferret50's 8 ports. The additional ports further reduce felt recoil. I believe Serbu also uses the same port type as ferret50. As long as the threads are the same, they should easily interchange.

CommanderPoopyduX
August 9, 2007, 07:24 PM
PTK - Why are you going to be shooting a .50 standing then kneeling? You can use your gun for whatever, but I assume doing all that you are going to be shooting offhand, with a 30" heavy heavy gun, you will be shooting relatively close targets. If that is case, get a smaller gun for close up, or place your targets far enough out you need to be in a supported shooting position.

Just my .02 cents

AR Hammer
August 9, 2007, 07:33 PM
In the military we found that an effective muzzle brake is mandatory.
While directing the overpressure to what can be dangerous levels back around the shooter, there is just no other way to keep the recoil reasonable.

I was shooting a .50 BMG top end on an AR lower, and what I had to do was,
1. Effective muzzle brake!
ArmaLite makes one that works well.

2. ADD LEAD TO THE BUTT STOCK!
Adding weight will do wonders for the recoil.

3. Use a slip on butt pad with silicone gel!

4. If you are shooting most of the time from a bench, get a bench hook and tie that rifle down!
Add the mass of the bench to the recoil equation.

5. Some people use 'Lead Sleds', and they work!

PTK
August 9, 2007, 08:17 PM
CommanderPoopyduX - I'll be starting with the lowest felt recoil position (for me) and gradually working toward the highest (prone).

CommanderPoopyduX
August 9, 2007, 08:29 PM
I am afraid standing and holding an unsupported 50 is going to give you a lot of recoil. I could be wrong, but the ground will at least take some of the blow, as opposed to all of it going into your shoulder and arm, as well as torquing upward. But again, the time I shot a .50, I did so on a bench, so I can't honestly say what shooting one standing up will do.

SpeedAKL
August 9, 2007, 09:04 PM
I'd imagine a .50BMG would be pretty tough to handle standing up regardless of steps taken to reduce recoil.

Geno
August 12, 2007, 12:25 PM
PTK:

I did some reading lastnight and just happened upon the following DPMS recoil pad: A2 Slip-on recoil pad, part # CP-05, sells for $29.95 http://www.dpmsinc.com/store/products/?prod=586

It looks interesting.

Doc2005

PTK
August 12, 2007, 12:26 PM
For less than the cost of one box of ammo, I might as well give it a try.

Geno
August 12, 2007, 12:36 PM
It looks to me that it is a "slip-over" like the shotgun recoil pads. I wonder if one could cut a couple of those "gellin'" shoe inserts to the size and put those inside instead of this foam that they provide, or with the foam? Perhaps foam/gel/foam/gel?

Just thinking aloud,

Doc2005

Bohica_arms
August 12, 2007, 01:18 PM
Hi Guys,

I thought I'd throw my .002 worth in here since you seem to be discussing my upper.

My brake design is similar to the AR-50(tm) or the Barret 99(tm)

The idea behind a muzzle brake is to dump the gas as fast as possible to reduce the recoil impulse. (think about it... The Paladin howitzer uses a 2 gill brake)

More ports have actually proven much less effective than the 2 gill design I have on the upper. This is because the gas can't all dump in the first port or two and the pressure drops slower. The plus side to a brake with more ports is the muzzle blast is dampened (not attenuated - just not amplified) They ARE quieter that a 2 port brake, but what the hell, we're talking 50's here!

As for the recoil pads.

I offer a custom silicone pad and riser that fits the ACE ARFX stock, and a Custom pad for the Magpul Tactical (replaces the whole back of the stock on the magpul) - I DO plan on doing a A2 Pad that will screw on, but don't have the time right now with all the uppers going out the door.

If you want a decent store bought pad, the best one I have had experience with is the X-coil pad by Tru-glow. You must do some custom fitting with a beltsander or live with an ugly pad, but they work great. I have 2 of these on a couple diffrent 50's and they work great.

Let me know if you guys have any other ????

Thanks

Chris Rosequist
President

Bohica Arms Corp

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