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Bezoar
August 8, 2007, 09:42 PM
Well I want a sd handgun i can use for deer.

My caliber list is:
45acp 5" barrel 1911
357 4"
44magnum 4" barrel
44 mag 6"
41 mag 4"


Ive use the hornady xtp 145 grain hollowpoint in my 50 cal percusion carbine, and it hit a deer with more energy then a 1911 can create at the muzzle but it simply disentigrated in the deer. All i could find was the entrance hole and a few pieces of lead.

What would be better in these calibers for deer? jhp or jsp?

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Triple S
August 8, 2007, 10:30 PM
I have shot deer & hogs with both the JSP and JHP's out of a 6" 357 (686) and a 6" 44 (629). For deer, I prefer the the JHP over the JSP..... However, I would rate the Nosler Partition or Barnes XPB as my favorites. For all aound use, the Hornady XTP's are not a bad choice. Regardless of your choice, in my opinion, the "heavier for caliber" bullets seem to do better. In 44, I like the 240 grain as a minimum and in 357 the 158 is about the lowest weights I will use on deer. Try the partitions or Barnes. You will have a tough time finding a better bullet for deer.

Bezoar
August 8, 2007, 10:44 PM
is a 4" barrel going to reduce the efficiency of these bullets compared to a 6" barrel?

Bezoar
August 8, 2007, 10:51 PM
is a 4" barrel going to reduce the efficiency of these bullets compared to a 6" barrel?

Im seeing a few places where people have successfully used the SXT, original black talon, and the Golden Saber in a full size 1911 successfully on deer. Some are calling it the ideal brush/swamp pistol for deer out to 50 yards.
Am i sane to think its going to work for me like that?

testar77
August 8, 2007, 11:05 PM
You better check your game dept laws(and like our state it may not be in the publicized regs, as there is a complete set at one of our game dept offices), ours has specific rules as far as min. velocity, and ftlbs of energy. That may hurt you in an auto. For example, in our state one of the only auto's that would barely qualify is a 10mm. But it is easy to get a .44mag there, that is what I carry, Ruger Bisley Superblackhawk 7 1/2" barrel, loaded up with 300gr bullets movin 1275fps(yeah they smart a little) :D

Toby

Grumulkin
August 9, 2007, 04:29 AM
http://www.orchardphoto.com/j6zci12.jpg

A Black Wildebeest taken with a 158 grain Hornady XTP HP bullet out of a 10 inch Thompson/Center Contender in 357 Herrett. The bullets were perfectly mushroomed and there was no jacket/core separation.

lil ski
August 9, 2007, 06:09 AM
I have shot a few white tails with Rem 240gr JHP with no problem. I'm using a 6" barreled colt Anaconda. I have tried the 300gr XTPs and they do smart a little (just a little)

IDriveB5
August 9, 2007, 07:27 AM
http://www.blackriverbullets.com/

I shoot the 170gn .358" bullet out of my 6" 686. Good for 1380fps using 15.0gn of 2400. This is a pretty hot load, so reduce by 10% and work up.

hamourkiller
August 9, 2007, 08:18 AM
S&W Mod 29 4" BBL Remington 240 gr HPT. Deer and Bad Guys will both leave internal organ pieces upon the ground. I have recovered two bullets using this combo from deer, the bullets had expanded to .72 caliber. On several other deer these bullets exited. Bleed out was quick, reaction to being hit was immediate and evident. All animals shot at 40yds or closer.

6" bbl will give better velocity and longer sight radius but is less manuverable in a defensive situation but is manageble.

44 mag takes more practice to be proficeint in it use but it can be done.

Make your choice and Enjoy!

MCgunner
August 9, 2007, 08:53 AM
I shoot a 180 JHPXTP in .357 now, up around 1400 fps. Have only killed two deer with the Blackhawk and was using my own Lee hard cast 158 grain gas checked SWCs. They worked well, but the 180 has more umph and I'd prefer the JHP on light game like deer.

I think out of your smoke pole, that bullet was probably over it's working velocity range. The .45 Colt XTP 300 grain at 1200 fps should work fine, too, but I've yet to shoot a deer with it. Heckuva fire breather load, though.

Im seeing a few places where people have successfully used the SXT, original black talon, and the Golden Saber in a full size 1911 successfully on deer. Some are calling it the ideal brush/swamp pistol for deer out to 50 yards.

I'd keep that .45 well under 50 yards and it's not what I'd describe as "the ultimate". Your .41 mag would come a lot closer to that description to me, let alone a .44. The .41 in a good load will do anything the .44 will, though. I really like that caliber, though I don't own one. With those choices, I'd just keep the .45 loaded with self defense ammo and leave it at home when you go hunting. I have a .45ACP and while I've carried it on hikes and hog hunts with dogs (we killed 'em with a knife) as a back up, I'd not wanna use it for hunting over my .45 Colt, .357, or my favorite .30-30 Contender. With something over 500 ft lbs, it ain't in a magnum category. the .357 is putting up nearly 800 ft lbs with the 180 grain load and the .45 is near 1000 ft lbs out of a 7 inch Contender barrel, a little under 900 out of my 4 5/8 Blackhawk. Now, my .45 ACP is very accurate, just ain't got the horsepower to suit me for hunting. .45 Colt sorta makes it look stupid. For "ultimate 50 yard brush handgun" bring on that .45ACP. Me, I'll be real happy with my Blackhawk in .45 Colt. It is more accurate than any autoloader I've ever seen off the sandbags at the range, near twice the energy with 1/3 more bullet weight, can actually keep 'em on paper at 100 yards in a little 5" circle, though with irons in the field, I keep my shots inside 50 yards or not much more. I owned a rather accurate 1911 and it did good to keep shots into 2" at 25. I doubt I'd be on paper with it much past 75 yards, so 50 will be pushing the accuracy of the thing. With a 1911, the more accurate you make it, the less reliable it becomes as a defensive weapon, a product of the tighter tolerances. The 1911 is about the worst of the worst platforms I can think of to use for combination self defense and hunting. If you wanna actually hunt with one, I'd get another one from a major smith and have it built for accuracy, really tight, lube it well, use it only for hunting, and preferably get it cambered for 10mm. But, I just plain don't care about 1911 platforms, have no use for them. I'd have one built if I were an avid IPSC shooter, but I'm not. I'm a hunter and for CCW, I prefer a small, DA or DAO pocket sized gun or revolver.

IDriveB5
August 9, 2007, 11:03 AM
MC- what are you shooting those 180s out of? I thought I was doing pretty good get those 170gn Keiths out at 1380 from my 6" 686. I bought a box of 180 XTPs and realized that I wouldnt get the velocity I needed out of them so now they are sitting on the shelf.

MCgunner
August 9, 2007, 11:15 AM
A 6.5" Blackhawk. The load is the 180 XTP in front of 13.8 grains of AA#9. Works for me. :D It's definitely a max load. I've shot it in my 2.3" SP101 at the range recently and got 1306 fps/686 ft lbs. :what: Yeah, good load, and it's real accurate and a very low standard deviation, too. Got the load out of a magazine article when the AA powders were sorta new to the market. The article was on using AA powders, but that .357 load sorta stood out. It's basically a Buffalo Bore equivalent.

IDriveB5
August 9, 2007, 11:38 AM
:what: is right!

JesseL
August 9, 2007, 11:59 AM
In .41 Mag, the starting load from Hodgdon for the 170gr Sierra JHP with H110 is moving at 1669fps. The max load goes 1887fps, for 1344ft/lbs:eek:.

As soon as I saw that load, I went out and bought a cannister of H110 and some 170gr .410" Sierra bullets :evil:. (though of course the performance of this load in my 4-5/8" Blackhawk won't quite match Hodgdon's 10" pressure barrel, it should still pack a wallop on deer)

MCgunner
August 9, 2007, 04:18 PM
From Buffalo Bore's site. You'll notice they got pretty close to my loads with the 180 out of 3" and 5" barrels. And, they claim the load is safe in any steel gun, safe in an alloy gun except that the bullets may pull crimp. My handloads ARE rather heavy recoil in the SP101. There is no stickiness of extraction, cratered primers, no sign of high pressure, though. Theirs is a flat point hard cast bullet, not a hollowpoint, but should do the job packin' that much heat. It'd definitely penetrate! They're a tad high at 20 bucks for 20 rounds, a dollar a pop. My reloads are a little more in my budget, but Buffalo Bore is THE source of hot .357 for the non-hand loader.

1. 3 inch S&W J frame

a. Item 19A/20-180gr. Hard cast LFN = 1302 fps
b. Item 19B/20-170gr. JHC (jacketed hollow cavity) = 1299 fps
c. Item 19C/20-158gr. Speer Uni Core = 1398 fps
d. Item 19D/20-125gr. Speer Uni Core = 1476 fps

2. 4 inch S&W L frame Mt. Gun

a. Item 19A/20-180gr. Hard cast LFN = 1375 fps
b. Item 19B/20-170gr JHC = 1411 fps
c. Item 19C/20-158gr. Speer Uni Core = 1485 fps
d. Item 19D/20-125gr. Speer Uni Core = 1603 fps

3. 5 inch S&W model 27

a. Item 19A/20-180gr. Hard Cast =1398 fps
b. Item 19B/20-170gr. JHC = 1380 fps
c. Item 19C/20-158gr. Speer Uni Core = 1457 fps
d. Item 19D/20-125gr. Speer Uni Core = 1543 fps

4. 6 inch Ruger GP 100

a. Item 19D/20-125gr. Speer Uni Core = 1707 fps

S&WKING
August 9, 2007, 09:41 PM
44 or 41 mag would be my choice a friend had a 357 and he shot his deer 6 times w/ it but i dont know if he was useing cheap ammo or what

Pumpkinheaver
August 10, 2007, 10:28 AM
The .41 magnum is an excellent round for deer. I most commonly load mine with the hornady 210XTP over a dose of H-110. I have substituted the 210 sierra for the hornady. If your a factory ammo shooter the 240 gr platinum tip from winchester has been very accurate in my guns.

Big Daddy K
August 10, 2007, 10:43 AM
Just got a box of Grizzly in 300 gn at 1325fps according to the box. They shoot fine out of my Ruger Carbine. No adjustment needed on the scope. In fact they seem to shoot as well as the Winchester 250gn my carbine is sited in for and I usually hunt with. Hope to have a report on how they work on pig and whitetale in a few months.

MCgunner
August 10, 2007, 01:15 PM
44 or 41 mag would be my choice a friend had a 357 and he shot his deer 6 times w/ it but i dont know if he was useing cheap ammo or what

The .44 won't likely do any better with a really light hollow point. My bet is he loaded with 110 or 125 JHP and didn't get adequate penetration and/or didn't make good hits. I had a Javelina go 350 yards with his guts blown out by a 150 grain sierra game king from a 7 mag traveling over 3000 fps at impact. Had to finish him with a .357 to the head when he charged me! A poor hit doesn't count. That was my first Javelina. I shot that pig behind the shoulder as I would a deer to avoid shoulder damage and got nothing, but guts. I learned my lesson, just tear up the shoulder and don't worry about it, LOL.

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