Something to balance off the "peaceniks"


Oleg Volk
July 2, 2003, 09:07 PM
Just saw this in Nashville, TN. Guy's sister is in a deployed National Guard unit.

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4v50 Gary
July 2, 2003, 09:15 PM
You can have normal behavior of this nature in the midwest. Saw a lot of flags & support our troop billboards when I was there (KY, TN, OH, IN) and thanked some folks whose offspring(s) were mobilized. Out in the Kommunist coastal region of Caliph, you can't. They're so far removed from reality, I think we should give a lot of this state back to Mexico. But plz, let me move out first.

Oleg Volk
July 2, 2003, 09:20 PM
Someone ripped off two American flags which were on the car previously. IMO, such vandalism against items of sentimental value should be rewarded properly...with a one-way ticket to a third-world country of our choosing, preferably with one which has a thriving tradition of cannibalism. People who don't appreciate this country don't deserve to steal oxygen within US borders...

Sylvilagus Aquaticus
July 2, 2003, 09:24 PM
I see such patriotic displays several times a day around Dallas, but then again, it's Texas. All along my street most every house on the block has flown the flag since before the first day of the Iraq Parade... especially the immigrant families.


July 2, 2003, 09:27 PM
I have to disagree with you, Oleg.

That's what this country is all about, freedom. It's bogus to think that people should beleive whatever they want to, but they don't beleive this way then they can't live here.

That seems kind of facist to me. Forgive me if I misinterpreted your post.


July 2, 2003, 09:28 PM
That’s pretty cool. Unfortunately, 4v50 Gary is correct that out here in the enlightened workers paradise that is the Bay Area, he probably would attract a lot of unwanted attention.

Side note; after 9/11 when there was a burst of new found patriotism, a lot of improperly displayed American flags on vehicles ended up falling off and ending up in the roadway. Picked up every single one I could safely retrieve. Saving them for a photo display or maybe an art installation.

Winstonsmith- I think I understand what you mean, and I to a certain extent I agree, but the flag is an extremely emotion laden icon. In my head I know that the 1st Amend. says that desecration is supported free speech, but my heart says 'don't even try that **it around me because I will do my level best to defend the flag.'

July 2, 2003, 09:30 PM
Lots of SUPPORT THE TROOPS here in Orange County, too.

Flags everywhere, since they're the lapel pin du jour, but always flying in the Vietnamese business districts.

Oleg Volk
July 2, 2003, 09:30 PM
winstonsmith, not saying that they should be kicked out -- just wish they got up and left of their own accord.

July 2, 2003, 09:32 PM
Ah. I knew I was misinterpreting something somewhere.

Don Gwinn
July 2, 2003, 09:43 PM
More to the point, Winston, people are free not to fly the flag. But people who steal MY flag should be prepared for what follows. It's my flag, after all, and theft is not speech.

Tommy Gunn
July 2, 2003, 10:48 PM
What really ain't right in this photograph is that we got a woman fighting over there while a man is staying home.

July 2, 2003, 11:01 PM
ill let tamara go after that one....
just kidding

July 3, 2003, 01:01 AM
I am a former Marine. I love the republic. I swear to support The Constitution of the United States against all enemies foriegn and domestic.
Just wanted to get that out before the Napalm flies.

I think burning the flag is an appropriate use of free speech. My reason is the origin of the practice. I was made to understand that if you possess a flag that is tattered or in a state of disrepair, that you are to burn that flag. The VFW or foreign legion will do it for you if you like.

Flag burners believed that the actions of this country had stained the fabric of the flag, and that in order to protect the flag from desecration, it was burned.

I do not expect that the current crop of pseudo-intellectuals understand this reasoning. Just the same I can't require someone by law to prove that they understand their beliefs before I let them speak.

What is the best over the counter treatment for burns?

July 3, 2003, 01:05 AM
I think that if you don't fall on the side of free speech on every issue (a few exceptions, like yelling bomb in a crowded office, or hijacker on a plane) then you don't belong in this country.

Burning the flag is a despicable, hateable act. So's facism.

July 3, 2003, 01:39 AM
Burning the flag is a despicable, hateable act.

Yes it is, but it's their right to do it, that's what makes this country great :)

July 3, 2003, 01:43 AM
Exactly. The soldiers who die under the flag give those people to burn it. Maybe if they were concious of that fact they wouldnt want to burn it so much.

Travis McGee
July 3, 2003, 02:19 AM
We have vehicles decorated in that theme all over in San Diego, especially when ships and units are due to rotate home.

July 3, 2003, 02:23 AM
I could be wrong:D but... its not the actuall burning of the flag that is the problem. The proper way to dispose of an unserviceable flag or one that's touched the ground is to burn it. It's the intent of the person burning the flag and how they publicly go about disposing of the flag where the real rub comes in to play. I think DigitalWarrior has it about right, the problem is many people don't understand the symbolism of proper flag burning. OTOH when enemies of the state burn the flag, most of them don't understand about the flag and it's etiquet, they just want to show disrespect towards the U.S. IOW they just want to publicly slap us on the face. In this case I say we make sure they get the satisfaction they seem to want:evil: :evil:

Andrew Wyatt
July 3, 2003, 03:15 AM
Just so y'all know, kern county is culturally a part of tennessee, so flagwaving and concealed carry are accepted practices here.

July 3, 2003, 04:27 AM
I hope I will not offend too badly here.. but the fact is that I am kinda amazed when I hear members of our group put up logical, rational, and fact bassed arguments against anti-second-ammend biggots... who "think with their heart". These people think that because firearms are bad... and feel scared of them or how a evil black rifle looks... that they should be banned.

Then those of us who make lucid rational arguments against these morons and their feeling-centered arguments against guns come back out and say "I know its not against the 1st ammend but becasue of how I *FEEL* flag burning should be illegal".

I am sorry.... to me that is a disconnect. We need to support the anti-American Berkeley crowd who seem to have brain-bondage when they want to burn a flag... for one reason: They are exercising the FIRST right affirmed by the constitution.... Only then can we demand with a straight face that they support the SECOND right affirmed by the constitution.

For those that would burn *MY* flag...

There is something in your way sport...

A 30-06 beats 4 matches - to coin a phrase. :D

In all seriousness I'd wouldnt begin to ever consider shooting someone for making a grab for my flag ... but I do think those who would burn it are an abomination to the patriots who fought for their right to use their lighters in such an obscene way.


July 3, 2003, 07:52 AM
That seems kind of facist to me. Forgive me if I misinterpreted your post.

Getting mad at folks who steal or deface other people's belongings just to make a political statement is "fascist"? Que?


July 3, 2003, 08:01 AM
Here's a series of pictures (from Arizona, I believe) that a friend e-mailed to me. This has to be the ultimate tribute:

July 3, 2003, 08:03 AM

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July 3, 2003, 08:09 AM
last one...

July 3, 2003, 08:18 AM
Spot on, Charles (CG of MP) re: 30.06 beats 4 matches..

My view: Grandfather a WWI "doughboy" who survived, although badly burned, a Mustard Gas(?) attack.

Dad, a WWII Army Infantryman, Pacific Theater Silver Star recipient.

Oldest Brother, Vietnam Era Air Force Med/Surg tech

Nephew is Marine Lance Corporal, somewhere in Okinawa.

Wanna burn the flag flying on my front porch everyday ? ? Knock yourself out. One word of caution, prepared to run faster than 2800 feet per second for at least 400 yards

July 3, 2003, 08:34 AM
Holy... :eek:


July 3, 2003, 09:17 AM
OK, you're right: the retards, er, citizens who make a public spectacle of themselves burning the flag are within their rights and we should respect that. However when a person steals or vandalizes personal property of another to make a public spectacle of themselves, that's quite another thing. In GA, "he needed killin'" is still a valid legal defense for retaliation against such loutish behavior. :D

Byron Quick
July 3, 2003, 09:39 AM
What really ain't right in this photograph is that we got a woman fighting over there while a man is staying home.

Tommy Gunn, you're making a whole lot of assumptions here: As in the man's military service record as well as his health status. I've got quite a few friends that the military turned down when they attempted to volunteer. I also know people who have been there and done that. These people have fulfilled their statutory military obligation and believe that is sufficient.

As far as flag burning goes, a person has every right to burn his flag. The only way a person is going to burn my flag is to assault me. For I will interpose my body between that person and my flag. My response to that person's assault on me will be according to law. If during that assault, I become fearful for my life or for sustaining grave bodily injury, I will respond with lethal force.

July 3, 2003, 10:06 AM
Rights are balanced by consequences.

I have a more than passing aquaintance with mayhem...burn the Flag I served under in my presence and I'll be happy to give you a demonstration.

"Facist"(sic) or not...

Glock Glockler
July 3, 2003, 10:34 AM

I don't now how much good it would do to show that pic to peaceniks. Let's see: you've got a middle to upper class white male driving an SUV. Not excatly the type of image that will endear you to them, OTOH, if you has a pic of a Black, Jewish, handicapped, lesbian, female then they...they...wait a minute...they would think that she's just an uncle Tom selling out to whitey.

Oh, bullocks to the peaceniks. I try not to waste time on these muppets. If you walk through garbage, you're going to get some one your boots.

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