Mosin Nagant Carbines


Texas Colt
August 11, 2007, 07:46 PM
Who else out there just loves these sawed-off versions of the Mosin Nagant?

They are just a blast to shoot - literally! I just love the thump of the recoil and the big fire ball these things produce.

Here's mine. From L to R: M38 (1944), M44 (1945), 91/59 (1943).

All are Ishevsk made with matching numbers. The M44 is the only one that is counterbored. The M44 also has a laminated stock.

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August 11, 2007, 08:17 PM
I gots me some Mosins.....but I like the long ones to.

M91/30 Izzy 1942

M44s both are 1945 Izzys

M38 Izzy 1941

Ive been told the blue sling is a Navy sling, I noticed you have one too. Have you heard that aswell?

Chinese Type 53 dated 1955 made in factory 26

August 11, 2007, 08:45 PM
I have a couple Mosins. 1946 Izzy M44. All matching.

And I too like the long ones as well. My PU sniper. 1942 Izzy with a 1948 scope. Yea, its not all original, but its pretty darn accurate. More then i am...thats for sure.

Im working on getting a M38 and standard 91/30. Then ill have a well rounded collection of them.
You may notice that the fence and gate behind my house takes quite a beating.:D

Texas Colt
August 11, 2007, 08:54 PM
I haven't heard about the blue slings being navy. Actually mine is more black than blue.

My M38 didn't have a sling when I bought it, so I just ordered one from AIM and that's what they sent me.

August 11, 2007, 09:12 PM
Oh, mine came with the gun when I ordered it from SOG......

August 11, 2007, 10:14 PM
Texas Colt did you refinish your 91/59 stock with anything? It's a beauty.

Texas Colt
August 11, 2007, 11:06 PM
The stock on the 91/59 is original. I haven't done a thing to it.

I did refinish the M38. The original varnish was peeling off, so it stripped it down to bare wood, stained it with red oak stain, and then applied 8 coats of tung oil.

August 11, 2007, 11:18 PM
Most M91/59s are in great shape and are generally tack drivers. Nice carbines!

bill larry
August 12, 2007, 12:02 AM
Right purdy little group there! I'm glad that ol' M44 found a loving home! ;)

August 12, 2007, 06:37 AM
never heard onf a 91/59, what's the significance of the numbers?

August 12, 2007, 06:42 AM
I could be all full of BS,but I think it means in 1959,they cut down a
few 91/30's to make them.


August 12, 2007, 08:57 AM
I've got a couple of 1956 Chinese T-53's. These things were rough when I got them, but I wanted them more as project guns than anything else. I started off with three of them, own two now (gave the other one to my next door neighbor). Each one I've gotten a little better with cleaning and refinishing them. I'll probably strip one of them down again over the winter, and redo it.

I don't really have any desire to shoot them, but I might get some ammo this fall and shoot a few rounds when the game dept range opens before hunting season.

August 12, 2007, 11:50 AM
How about a custom M44 here's my version of a scout rifle:

Essex County
August 12, 2007, 12:14 PM
I can shoot and enjoy about anything. That said I prefer 91-30's more than their stubby cousins. It's a much more balanced weapon. Essex

Texas Colt
August 12, 2007, 02:35 PM
MRI, you are correct about the 91/59. In 1959, The Ishevsk and Tula arsenals took existing 91/30 rifles and cut them to carbine length (20" barrel). And IIRC, there are no known records as to how many were produced.

August 12, 2007, 04:19 PM
Do your ears flap when you shoot that thing w/ out muffs, jpwilly?

Ad Astra
August 12, 2007, 06:14 PM
Hard-chromed M44 (from Classic) w/ATI synthetic stock. (

Cheap, weatherproof(ish) boat gun.

August 12, 2007, 06:49 PM
1943 Izhevsk M38
1942 Izhevsk M38
1946 Izhevsk M44
1944 Tula M44 (Hex receiver)

1952 Hungarian M44
1953 Hungarian M44 x 2

1915 New England Westinghouse M91
1940 VKT M91
1916 Izhevsk M91

1943 Izhevsk 91/59 x 2 (This is the prettiest one I own)

1926 Tula 91/30 (exdragoon)
1927 Izhevsk 91/30 (exdragoon)
1936 Tula 91/30 (Hex receiver) (Finn Capture)
1937 Tula 91/30
1938 Tula 91/30
1939 Tula 91/30

1940 Tula 91/30 (Finn Capture) Ugly but it groups good (This is a group @100 yards)

1942 Tula 91/30
1943 Izhevsk (ex-sniper)
1944 VKT M39
1954.6 Type 53

I think that as got them all. I would have to dig through the safe to make sure.

Yeah, I like them mosins.

Oh yeah, the blue slings are "navy" slings as far as I know:), and I need one for the collection.

The Deer Hunter
August 12, 2007, 06:51 PM
Oh dear^

Actually, it looks pretty good in the close ups.

I was commenting on the chrome one.

Texas Colt
August 12, 2007, 08:41 PM
That's quite a collection Threejs. Thanks for sharing.

August 12, 2007, 09:25 PM
iv got a pile of t53's

seriously.i have a pile of them. i think i went overboard on Omegas deal

August 12, 2007, 09:26 PM

these are from my web blog. I actually just wrote a little article on there about it actually.


change the * to a t if anyone wants to read it

August 13, 2007, 03:41 PM
Do your ears flap when you shoot that thing w/ out muffs, jpwilly?
I wouldn't/haven't shoot it without muffs/plugs! At the range shooters next to me have said they could feel it and hear it (with muffs) quite well!

August 13, 2007, 06:26 PM
I made the mistake once with a carbine. I had a m91 for years, and would shoot it with earplugs, but it is not crazy loud. When I got my second mosin (M44) I only had one set of ear plugs, and I left my wife have them. When I pulled the trigger, I was deaf in my right ear for about 2 minutes. I actually felt my ear constrict. Man that is loud.

Never again.

Anyway, if you are standing on the right hand side of someone shooting a mosin carbine, you can feel the shockwave. Plays havoc with a spotting scope. (BOOM, rattle rattle rattle... I think you hit here...)

Texas Colt
August 13, 2007, 10:22 PM
That's one of the fun things about the Mosin carbines. The Boom and Flash:D

August 14, 2007, 02:09 AM
At the range shooters next to me have said they could feel it and hear it (with muffs) quite well!

I'll bet. Probably rearranges the stuff on their benches too. :D

How hard was it to mount the brake?

August 14, 2007, 08:56 PM
You used to be able to buy screw on ones on ebay, but they are down right dangerous, and tend to fly downrange after 10-15 rounds. Other than that, I think you would have to have one custom made.

August 14, 2007, 09:22 PM
they sell some that mount around the front sight and i believe are held there by a screwed collar

The Annoyed Man
August 14, 2007, 11:09 PM
...came to me through email:

AK: It works though you have never cleaned it -- ever.
AR: You have $9 per ounce special non-detergent synthetic Teflon infused oil for cleaning.
MN: It was last cleaned in Berlin in 1945. Maybe.

AK: You are able to hit the broad side of a barn from inside.
AR: You are able to hit the broad side of a barn from 600 meters.
MN: You can hit the farm from two counties over.

AK: Cheap magazines are fun to buy.
AR: Cheap magazines melt.
MN: What's a magazine?

AK: Your safety can be heard from 300 meters away.
AR: You can silently flip off the safety with your finger on the trigger.
MN: What's a safety?

AK: Your rifle comes with a cheap nylon sling.
AR: Your rifle has a 9 point stealth tactical suspension system.
MN: Your rifle has four dog collars tied end-to-end.

AK: Your bayonet makes a good wire cutter.
AR: Your bayonet is actually a pretty good steak knife.
MN: Your bayonet is longer than your leg.

AK: You can put a .30" hole through 12" of oak, if you can ever hit it.
AR: You can put one hole in a paper target at 100 meters with 30 rounds.
MN: You can knock down everyone else's target with the shock wave of your bullet going downrange.

AK: When out of ammo your rifle will nominally pass as a club.
AR: When out of ammo, your rifle makes a great wiffle bat.
MN: When out of ammo, your rifle makes a supreme war club, pike, boat oar, tent pole, or firewood.

AK: Recoil is manageable, even fun.
AR: What's recoil?
MN: Recoil is often used to relocate shoulders thrown out by the previous shot.

AK: Your sight adjustment goes to "10", and you've never bothered moving it.
AR: Your sight adjustment is incremented in fractions of minute of angle.
MN: Your sight adjustment goes to 12 miles and you've actually tried it.

AK: Your rifle can be used by any two bit nation's most illiterate conscripts to fight elite forces worldwide.
AR: Your rifle is used by elite forces worldwide to fight two bit nations' most illiterate conscripts.
MN: Your rifle has fought against itself and won every time.

AK: Your rifle won some revolutions.
AR: Your rifle won the Cold War.
MN: Your rifle won a pole vault event.

AK: You paid $350.
AR: You paid $900.
MN: You paid $59.95.

AK: You buy cheap ammo by the case.
AR: You lovingly reload precision crafted rounds one by one.
MN: You dig your ammo out of a farmer's field in Ukraine and it works just fine.

AK: You can intimidate your foe when you fix bayonet.
AR: Your can give your foe a good laugh when you fix your bayonet.
MN: You can bayonet your foe on the other side of the river without leaving the comfort of your hole.

AK: Service life, 50 years.
AR: Service life, 40 years.
MN: Service life, 100 years, and counting.

AK: It's easier to buy a new rifle when you want to change cartridge sizes.
AR: You can change cartridge sizes with the push of a couple of pins and a new upper.
MN: You believe no real man would dare risk the ridicule of his friends by suggesting there is anything but 7.62x54R.

AK: You can repair your rifle with a big hammer and a swift kick.
AR: You can repair your rifle by taking it to a certified gunsmith and it's under warranty!
MN: If your rifle breaks, you can buy a new one.

AK: You consider it a badge of honor when you get your handguards to burst into flames.
AR: You consider it a badge of honor when you shoot a sub-MOA 5 shot group.
MN: You consider it a badge of honor when you cycle 5 rounds without the aid of a 2x4.

AK: After a long day the range you relax by watching "Red Dawn".
AR: After a long day at the range you relax by watching "Blackhawk Down".
MN: After a long day at the range you relax by visiting the chiropractor.

AK: You can accessorize you rifle with a new muzzle brake or a nice stock set.
AR: Your rifle's accessories are eight times more valuable than your rifle.
MN: Your rifle's accessory is a small tin can with a funny lid, but it's buried under an apartment building somewhere in Budapest.

AK: Your rifle's finish is varnish and paint.
AR: Your rifle's finish is Teflon and high tech polymers.
MN: Your rifle's finish is low grade shellac, cosmoline and Olga's toe nails.

AK: Your wife tolerates your autographed framed picture of Mikhail Kalashnikov.
AR: Your wife tolerates your autographed framed picture of Eugene Stoner.
MN: You're not sure there WERE cameras to photograph Sergei Mosin.

AK: Late at night you sometimes have to fight the urge to hold your rifle over your head and shout "Wolverines!"
AR: Late at night you sometimes have to fight the urge to clear your house, slicing the pie from room to room.
MN: Late at night, you sometimes have to fight the urge to dig a fighting trench in the yard to sleep in.


chris in va
August 15, 2007, 03:28 AM
My M38 is fun, that's about it. Sights are a nightmare and accuracy is...huh? But hey it'll put a nice clean hole through 1/4" plate steel from Home Depot.

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