out of state,shipping to a C&R question


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offthepaper
August 11, 2007, 09:01 PM
I know a modern long gun bought out of state has to go through a FFL. But if I (I have a C&R) were to travel out of state to buy a C&R approved rifle, that has been sporterised, can I take possesion of it there, or do we still have to go through a 01 FFL? Can I have him simply ship it to me,(without the 01 FFL) if I can't take poseesion in a FTF out of state (for me)?
does the fact that it has been sporterized make a difference on the transaction?

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redranger1
August 11, 2007, 09:19 PM
A C&R rifle is what it is. You can get the rifle in person out of state just as an FFL 01 holder can get a gun out of state with their copy of their FFL during the transaction.

DMK
August 11, 2007, 09:27 PM
does the fact that it has been sporterized make a difference on the transaction?Yes. A C&R rifle that has been modified from its original condition loses it's C&R eligibility.

Lone_Gunman
August 12, 2007, 01:04 AM
A C&R rifle that has been modified from its original condition loses it's C&R eligibility.


That is not necessarily true. For example, a C&R rifle that has been restored, or restocked, etc would still qualify. I can't quote you the specific regulation, but it is generally up the ATF to determine if your gun has been modified too much to still be considered C&R.

Where restoration ends and sporterization begins is anyone's guess... but the ATF gets the final word.

I know of no case where the ATF has ever busted anyone over this issue.

offthepaper
August 12, 2007, 03:39 AM
The rifle in question is a Springfield 1903. It has the stock changed and a scope mounted via rings. But if the rifle is 50+ years old, does that not qualify it as C&R for the age alone, especialy since the 1903 is already on the accepted list for C&R, regardless of the stock?
Just not sure.

MRIman
August 12, 2007, 07:27 AM
As a C&R holder for 5 years,this is my take on the subject.

If it's over 50 years old,it can be moded. If you mod a firearm
that is a C&R,but not yet 50 years old,you took away the C&R
status of the firearm.
An '03 in a Boyds stock,is very different then a 1978 Yugo SKS
in a Choate folder!!!!

But then again, ATFE can do what ever the hell they want,your call.


MRI

offthepaper
August 12, 2007, 09:06 PM
If it's over 50 years old,it can be moded. If you mod a firearm
that is a C&R,but not yet 50 years old,you took away the C&R
status of the firearm
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So you think I can be good to go for a sporterized '03 out of state FTF deal with my C&R?

Roccobro
August 13, 2007, 02:19 AM
Look in your C&R book and find the rifle in question listed. Or use the ATF's online updated list. If it is on it, have it shipped to your door. That is what the FFL 03 license is for! :D

Justin

CZguy
August 13, 2007, 05:15 AM
So you think I can be good to go for a sporterized '03 out of state FTF deal with my C&R?

In a word No.

You can use your 03 FFL only on an un-modifyed fifty year old gun.

If it's been sporterized, you have to go through a 01 FFL, if it's out of state.

Call the ATF.

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