M1 Carbine in 7.62x39mm


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Nolo
August 11, 2007, 09:05 PM
Does anyone know if such an animal exists? I just think it'd be a pretty natural caliber for the Carbine, if a little large and powerful.

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DMK
August 11, 2007, 09:10 PM
It's called an SKS. :neener:

Yea, I know. It has terrible sights and a completely different bolt design.

I guess the Mini-30 is about as close as you're gonna get.

The M1 carbine was only made in .30 carbine (although some were rebarreled in 5.7mm Spitfire, a Wildcat round).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1_carbine#Hunting_and_civilian_use

Nolo
August 11, 2007, 09:12 PM
I wish SKSs were that small!

SigfanUSAF
August 11, 2007, 09:12 PM
The M1 carbine action would be entirely too short to operate with the 7.62x39 round, not too mention too weak.

Neo-Luddite
August 11, 2007, 09:13 PM
The carbine would be a bit light and, as said, the dimmensions are too small

Father Knows Best
August 11, 2007, 09:15 PM
I dunno about being too weak, but the M1 carbine action is definitely too short. OAL on the 7.62x39 is around 2.2", if I remember correctly, while the .30 carbine is only 1.7 or so.

DMK
August 11, 2007, 09:16 PM
I wish SKSs were that small!The Norinco Para is shorter (with a 16" barrel), but it is a touch heavier.

Nolo
August 11, 2007, 09:16 PM
Oh, sure. I know that, you'd have to build it for the cartridge, I was just wondering if anyone had done that.
I think it'd be a neat rifle, even if it required some design changes to work.

RockyMtnTactical
August 11, 2007, 09:17 PM
The paratrooper SKS's are sweet!

Father Knows Best
August 11, 2007, 09:19 PM
you'd have to build it for the cartridge,
Well, by "build it for the cartridge", you mean that the rifle would have to be re-designed almost from the ground up, with a longer receiver, new magazines, re-designed gas system, etc. That's a huge undertaking, and by the time you're done, I think what you would have is a Ruger Mini-30. After all, the Mini-30 is basically a scaled up M1 carbine chambered in 7.62x39 (or a scaled down M-14, but that's about the same thing either way).

Nolo
August 11, 2007, 09:21 PM
What I like about the M1 Carbine is the fact that the action is so light. It's alot like polymer rifles today, they only strengthened what they ahd to and left the rest up to wood. I think it'd be sweet to have a rifle like that in 7.62. And I know the Mini-30 is in 7.62, but, for some reason, I hate the Mini-30. Just think it's ugly. Dunno why.
Hehehehe! I just mentioned the Mini-30!

sacp81170a
August 11, 2007, 09:22 PM
Why would you do that? The .30 carbine is basically an upgraded pistol round, the 7.62x39 is a downgraded rifle round. I can see having a lighter version of an SKS, but the M1 carbine action just ain't built for the job.

Nolo
August 11, 2007, 09:24 PM
Yes, and upgraded pistol rounds and downgraded rifle rounds meet in the middle. I was wondering if any company made them in 7.62 M43. My best answer is the Mini-30. Oh well.

DMK
August 11, 2007, 09:25 PM
What I like about the M1 Carbine is the fact that the action is so lightThat's because it's basically a pistol caliber carbine (although technically not many pistols are chambered in .30 carbine, power wise, the round falls pretty much right between 7.62x25 and .357 Mag).

If you want to shoot in intermediate rifle cartridge, you'd need to beef up the receiver, bolt and gas piston at least. That would bring up the weight.

If you could do this, you'd probably end up with something that weighs almost as much as an SKS (7-8lbs, vs 5 lbs for an M1 carbine). Go figure.

Harley Quinn
August 11, 2007, 09:27 PM
Yugo SKS, and you will never be sorry, single or semi mode...:cool:

http://www.lewhorton.com/m5966.html

Nice stuff.;)

30 Carbine is close to the 44 mag. or between the 357 in a rifle and a 44 mag pistol or rifle???

HQ

JesseL
August 12, 2007, 12:01 AM
Like DMK's first reply said, this is as close as you'll get:
http://ruger-firearms.com/Firearms/images/Products/199L.jpg (http://ruger-firearms.com/Firearms/FAProdView?model=5806&return=Y)

Redneck with a 40
August 12, 2007, 12:52 AM
Personally, I like the M1 Carbine as is, in 30 caliber. I bought one two weeks ago at a gun show for $300. Its not the real thing, its a Universal. Despite some people saying they are junk, mine has been 100% reliable with the G.I magazines and its pretty darn accurate at 50 yards off-hand, I like it. This carbine is extremely handy, compact, and lightweight. I'm thinking this will make a great camp carbine, truck gun, and general purpose pest control/home defense carbine.

As far as the 30 carbine round goes, its nothing to sneeze at. Its got 950-1000 ft lbs of energy at the muzzle, moving at 1900-2000 fps. At 100 yards, the 30 carbine has more energy than the 357 magnum does at the muzzle, 600 ft lbs for the 30 carbine. With soft point ammo, the 30 carbine is a pretty good round for self defense or taking care of nasty critters like cyotes.:evil: Its a good 100 yard carbine.

Nolo
August 12, 2007, 02:11 AM
Oh, I know, I just like the enormous amounts of 7.62x39 ammo out there.
I like the Carbine as is too. Wouldn't change it. I'd just get another copy...

CornCod
August 12, 2007, 08:34 AM
I had a paratrooper SKS for many years before the burglars got it. Those few inches off the barrel made it the most handy gun you can imagine. More accurate than an AK too. If one can be converted to fire AK mags (the shorter 10 rounders) then you would have the best carbine concieved by the mind of man.

DMK
August 12, 2007, 11:39 AM
had a paratrooper SKS ...If one can be converted to fire AK mags (the shorter 10 rounders) then you would have the best carbine concieved by the mind of man.You'd think that. At least I did before I owned one. I have an SKS Sporter (or SKS-M). The way the mags attach is kind of crude making mag changes a little awkward. It's a good gun, very reliable. The Chinese just cobbled the mag attachment a bit.

I actually like my regular fixed 10 round mag Para better.

Dusey
August 12, 2007, 01:17 PM
I believe that at some point, there were some m1 carbines made in 9mm para. I know I've seen one, but perhaps it was some type of conversion. Anyway, that's my bit of useless info for the day.

GarandOwner
August 12, 2007, 01:42 PM
The obvious answer is no. Besides the fact that the Carbine weighs less than a jug of water and the action is far to small. The more obvious reason you will never see one is the simple fact that: the M1 Carbine is a US rifle and the 7.62 x 39 is a Russian round.

.45Guy
August 12, 2007, 01:50 PM
Universal made carbines in .256. From the old listings I have, it seemed like a real barn burner.

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