"Those NRA A-holes" kinda long


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Trempel
July 3, 2003, 06:16 AM
On my way home I was listening to the radio in my car and the talk show "Loveline" was on. It's a call-in show on which the host, Dr. Drew answers callers questions in regards to substance abuse, sex, mental health, relationships, etc. A second host, Adam Carolla (Man Show) dispenses the social commentary and gives the show an entertaining spin. All in all I believe that it's a good show, which probably educates and helps a number of people.
Quite frequently Adam Carolla takes a jab at certain social issues that are of controversial nature. While I noticed a while ago that his views are not exactly pro-Second Amendment, it didn't really bother me. It's a free country, and everyone has a right to their own opinion, but tonight I think that Adam C. went too far.
During one of the calls, a subject of mental illness came up. Adam remembered the very recent case of a schizophrenic man attacking shoppers in a store with a samurai sword, killing two people, plus wounding another three. After mentioning this case, he commented:
"I bet those NRA a-holes are just so HAPPY about this."
That's the only thing that I remember word for word, but he went on to say that gun owners are happy that someone with a sword killed a bunch of people, and not with a gun because now we could say that "see, I could stab you in the neck with a pencil just as easy as I could shoot you with my AK".
I was so ticked off, that I almost had to pull over. Adam Carolla and Loveline just depicted NRA and gun owners in general as a bunch of lunatics that dance in the street when people die. I felt personally insulted.
Anyhow, I'll be writing them a letter tonight, and I hope that at least some of you will do the same. The battle to keep our supposedly unalienable rights has to start with the hearts and minds. When a nationally syndicated radio show makes an attack on our Constitutional right and spits directly in our face, we cannot let it go unchecked.
Here's their email and web address of their radio station:


loveline@earthlink.net

http://www.kroq.com/loveline/loveline.html

http://www.kroq.com/kroqnow/kroqnow.html

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TarpleyG
July 3, 2003, 08:08 AM
I used to catch the televised version a few years ago when I could stay up that late. I liked it and the hosts. I could care less at this point. Write your letter and make another statement by changing the radio station when that show comes on. Nothing works quite like hitting them in the ol' pocketbook.

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Mark Tyson
July 3, 2003, 08:18 AM
I am so furious right now ... I'll calm down and write a letter, you betcha.

686+
July 3, 2003, 03:56 PM
I know what you mean.

Harvey someting or another, has a show on WB, did the same on an Los Angeles radio station on his moring show. I have never listend to him or the radio station since.

Also if he actually used the whole word, he might be violating FCC rules. The only way FCC finds out about stuff and acts is if you let them know.

:cuss:

Alan Smithiee
July 3, 2003, 04:16 PM
the FCC just happens to be clamping down more on abuses of language on radio, file a complaint, they need the formal complaints to levey the fines. and the fines hit them where it hurts.

Dr. Drew is almost as believeable as Dr. Phil. "sex addiction", hmmm, can I get federal money for my Gun Addiction?

don't forget to CC the letters to the shows sponsors too.. letting them know that you won't be buying products as long as they support these types

dude
July 3, 2003, 04:43 PM
....so Adam C done not have 1st Ammendment rights??

What's up with you people!! Just because someone says something you don't agree with or makes you mad, does not mean they do not have the right to say it.

btw- you can say a-hole on TV and raido after primetime

cordex
July 3, 2003, 04:52 PM
FWIW, I actually had a similar thought.

Hold on there! Step away from the rope and let me explain myself.

I've often noticed THR members mention that the Brady Bunch must be dancing and singing whenever someone shoots someone, and then we go on and point out situations when a non-firearm weapon is used and say "See? See?!? Gun control just gets people killed." Of course, on the other hand, we do prefer to rejoice at murders and assaults stopped by a gun owner, but ...

In a way, it's the same sort of thing. Brady Bunch use gun deaths as ammo in their "Guns are evil" tirade and we use non-gun deaths as examples of why gun control doesn't work.

I think the guy has a point, offensive as he may be.

HBK
July 3, 2003, 04:52 PM
First ammendment rights allow you to say whatever, but first ammendment rights DO NOT give you immunity from the consequences of what you say. It is also our first ammendment right to voice our displeasure with what was said.

Mark Tyson
July 3, 2003, 05:14 PM
For what it's worth, I don't think the Brady Bunch or any of those clowns actually dance & sing whenever someone goes on a shooting spree. Only the most callous and evil person would react in such a way.

686+
July 3, 2003, 05:16 PM
I recognize and appreciate his freedom to express his oppinions. BUT, what ticks me off is that he is doing it on a show heard by millons of teens that don't know better and place their trust in this guy. He does not say, in MY oppinion, he simply states that those NRA....... This sort of beligerance happens every day in the media. The facts and truth are getting screwed over by the oppinions of "reporters" and "tv personalities". While I would like to believe that the kids are imune to such ramblings, lets face it that is probably not the case. Afterall, the same "reporters" and "tv personalities" claim that kids are getting brainwashed by violent video games.

Zundfolge
July 3, 2003, 05:22 PM
If I was on a national radio program and I made some sort of statement about Brady types dancing in the streets when someone gets killed with a gun, you can bet the thing you're sitting on that someone from their side would write a letter or two (I bet it would get more criticism from the elite media then Corrola's statement).

Thats the whole point of free speech... you're free to say whatever stupid/insensitive/wrong thing you want to and I'm free to rebutt it.


So what was Dr. Drew's response to Adam's statement?

Quantrill
July 3, 2003, 06:12 PM
Sent a suitable reply to "line". Quantrill

Carlos Cabeza
July 3, 2003, 06:24 PM
A C is probably a spineless wuss, that is the kind of statement that a funny guy would make. Remember, its only words. There certainly wasn't enough context to it to make a lasting impression anyway.

pale horse
July 3, 2003, 06:30 PM
The freedoms that we have come with responceability.

If I was in the nra and he said this it would be hard to say what I would do. However, there aint nobody above a ***wippin. Someone calls me that on national tv in my presence and I'd be inclined to molly whop him in front of the camera, but getting up and not discussing it with the useless turd would show more class. There are concequences sp?? for what you say and since I dont listen to that show it dont affect me at the moment.

If you gents want to do something call him and educate him or just listen to Rush.

George Hill
July 3, 2003, 07:15 PM
You hear some crazy things on the radio. Last March I was driving across the country and I heard some weird radio shows.
As I was passing throught St Lewis (at about 105 MPH) at 4:00AM I heard this radio that that floored me. It was a call in talk show all about sex... if you asked a good question they would send you a little vibrator. If you asked a real good one, they would send you a big one. No sexual topic was too much for this show and the more "exotic" the act, the better.

I only mention this to point something out...

You can hear ANY kinda garbage on the radio. 1st ammendment in Action. And thank heavens for it. Really. However if it's something you disagree with - you don't have to listen to it. Or, you do listen to it and try to get an understanding of the enemy, as Sun Tzu would advise. Adam Corolla? Come one now... how can you get upset at anything a retard says or does? Adam Corolla and Tom Green... Both of them are Short Bus Alumni. Getting upset at them for something they said is like being upset because a Chimp at the Zoo threw a wad of dung at you.

Just think to yourself - If the Y2K Bug had taken down society and turned the US into Mad Max's Oz - Well, let's just say Adam Corolla and the rest of the non-gun-owning-liberals are really lucky the computers still worked the next day.

Trempel
July 4, 2003, 01:56 AM
"....so Adam C done not have 1st Ammendment rights??

What's up with you people!! Just because someone says something you don't agree with or makes you mad, does not mean they do not have the right to say it.

btw- you can say a-hole on TV and raido after primetime"

That's not my point. He absolutely has the right to say what he thinks without the government punishing him for it. However that doesn't mean that people who disagree cannot retort. He implied that gun owners are happy when someone gets killed with something other than a firearm. That offended me and a number of other people. Don't we have a right to speak out in defense of what we believe? Besides I don't remember anyone on any of the internet gun forums suggesting that when a psycho mowes down a bunch of people in a school or a post office, that the antis are cheering. Yes, every time when a widely publicized tragedy occurs and guns are involved we realize that such isolated incidents will be used to further destroy our freedoms, but I personally never even thought that the anti-gun lobby is hoping for such events to take place. What Adam Carolla did was put the NRA and gun owners in the same category as people in Arab countries that cheered when they learned about the attacks on 9/11. Why can't I voice my anger over that? I'm not suggesting that he be put in jail or that the show be taken off the air, but a public appology would be a win for us.
Besides, can you imagine what kind of doo-doo storm would hit if one of the conservative talk show hosts said that Sara Brady busts out the champagne every time a bunch of children get shot???

Also, the language was not a problem. He did actually sai AHOLE, without the ss. Not that I would really care.

ed dixon
July 4, 2003, 02:47 AM
That's disappointing, because I have found Carolla funny in the past. Probably more glib ignorance on his part than considered derision. He boxed Golden Gloves, so I guess beating people up for fun and sport is morally superior to real-world defense of life and limb. I figure many celebs whose work I enjoy likely hold social and political views I'd cringe at. (If anyone sees Salma Hayek sneering at the flag, please don't tell me.)

HBK
July 4, 2003, 02:58 AM
As I previously stated, Trempel.
First ammendment rights allow you to say whatever, but first ammendment rights DO NOT give you immunity from the consequences of what you say. It is also our first ammendment right to voice our displeasure with what was said.

Justin
July 4, 2003, 03:01 AM
For what it's worth, I don't think the Brady Bunch or any of those clowns actually dance & sing whenever someone goes on a shooting spree. Only the most callous and evil person would react in such a way.I disagree. Every time there's a mass shooting, these organizations send out press releases and letters soliciting funds for their cause. In essence, every time someone is shot they use it as an excuse to pass around the collection plate.

If that isn't exploiting tragedy I don't know what is.

Byron Quick
July 4, 2003, 03:58 AM
I've listened to Dr. Drew and Adam from time to time.

I have some expertise in the psychology field: BA in Psychology, BS in Nursing, 3 years in substance abuse, 3 years in psychiatric nursing, and 8 years dealing with psychiatric patients in an emergency setting.

My professional opinion is that they are full of crap from start to finish. I am not impressed with Dr. Drew's diagnoses over the telephone:rolleyes: or his "treatment" recommendations. I think they've done WAY more harm than good with that simulation of a show.


Just to be evenhanded: I'm not too impressed with psychiatrists as a group or with psychiatry as a separate specialty...that's why I am no longer a psychiatric nurse. But even in that group...Drew gets a low grade.

ed dixon
July 4, 2003, 11:06 AM
Byron, if I'm not mistaken, Drew is a pediatrician. Now Dr. Phil, there's an idiot with relevant credentials.:rolleyes:

Byron Quick
July 4, 2003, 11:32 AM
He's a board certified internist and board certified addiction medicine specialist. He is Clinical Assistant Professor of Pediatrics at Los Angels Children's Hospital.

Much of the psychological advice I've heard him give on the radio is off the wall.

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