Surplus Rifles with Modern Optics


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vis--vis
August 13, 2007, 03:59 PM
Can you mount modern optics/scopes to old school rifles? Say an AIMpoint comp on a K98 as an example? Anyone have an examples of this?

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KODB
August 13, 2007, 04:03 PM
Yes, and quite effectively.

I have an Eotech 552 mounted on my home defense M1 Garand and have used it quite frequently (perhaps I need a better place to live :)). This is also my standard rifle for around the ranch and gets a lot of use that way. With all due respect to another thread currently underway, my "obsolete" old rifle really works well.

My wife's M1 carbine sports one of the new Aimpoint Micro T-1.

Both are set up for and have been used successfully with head mounted PVS-14 for patrolling and practice.

Regards,

Bob

vis--vis
August 13, 2007, 04:06 PM
Cool. Can you post pics of it for me?

I had an AR-15 M4A3 but got bored with it compared to my Mosin, lol. As such I think I only want old school rifles to adorn my wall.

Any other rifles?

jpwilly
August 13, 2007, 04:07 PM
Yes you can all you need is a weaver style scope mount and usually a bent bolt in the case of the K98 and you can mount whatever you like up on top. With some rifles no gunsmithing is required but some of those mounting options won't maintain zero very well either.

Cosmoline
August 13, 2007, 04:51 PM
You can also use an offset mount or a "scout" style mount in place of the tangent sight. Of the latter Darrel's are the very best, and require no smithing. There are multiple threads on this topic already.

Be careful what rifle you start poking holes in, of course. I've got an M-27 Finn someone thought it would be fun to do that with and it's gone from a valuable collectible to a POS. Also be sure you get everything on square, and if you do it don't use some cheap mount or as noted it won't hold zero.

Nhsport
August 13, 2007, 05:38 PM
Yes sort of.
If you can come up with a solid mount on a decent rifle you can only get good use if the optic serves your purpose.By decent rifle I mean a M1 carbine,M1 Garand , or Springfield .
If you throw a red dot on a beat up old SKS with a nasty bore and a 14lb trigger don't expect it to become a tack driver .

KODB
August 13, 2007, 06:31 PM
I will borrow a camera and try to post some pictures; been meaning to do that over at jouster for the garand board anyways.

With respect to mounts: I currently use the Amega Ranges scout mount on the Garand; I actually am working on a better design myself currently as the Amega is really heavier than it needs to be and has a couple other things that are minor annoyances. It is clearly the best of the currently available mounts for the Garand IMHO. I am not thrilled with the older style offset (ala M1C and M1D) for serious useage (vs. collectibility which is valid in its own right but with a different goal) particularly when using a scope.

The M1 carbine has an Ultimak mount which is a very nice piece of gear and looks/feels rock solid. This is a newer rifle to us (thank you CMP) so no long term data yet.

Regards,

Bob

USSR
August 13, 2007, 06:53 PM
http://www.ussr.baka.com/M1A1a.jpg

Don

Vern Humphrey
August 13, 2007, 06:55 PM
In general, military rifles were not designed for optics until the M14. There are some ways to mount a scope on some (but not all) rifles with minimum gunsmithing. Sometimes it is satisfactory, sometimes not.

To consider an '03 Springfield (or '98 Mauser), to mount a conventional scope you have to:

1. Drill and tap the receiver -- which dramatically lowers the value of the rifle.

2. Weld on a new bolt handle (bending the handle may work) so as to clear the objective end of the scope.

3. Replace the safety -- the objective end interfers with the flag type safety.

4. Restock the rifle so as to put the eye in line with the scope. Adding a wooden spacer or a lace on pad may be sufficient, depending on how picky you are about looks and function.

In the end, you will have spent a couple of hundred dollars to convert a $600 military rifle into a $300 "sporter."

trueblue1776
August 13, 2007, 06:57 PM
Can you mount modern optics/scopes to old school rifles?

If you don't mind a butt-ugly gun with holes drilled in it.

USSR
August 13, 2007, 08:35 PM
Note: The above carbine uses the UltiMak mount which attaches in place of the handguard, requires no holes be drilled, and returns to as issued condition in 5 minutes time. The EoTech makes for incredibly fast target acquisition and, IMHO, for the effective range of the .30 Carbine is an excellent choice.

Don

Canuck-IL
August 13, 2007, 10:34 PM
In the end, you will have spent a couple of hundred dollars to convert a $600 military rifle into a $300 "sporter."
Gotta love brief, accurate summaries...gunbroker offers lots of these if anyone wants pics.
/Bryan

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