Garands from CMP?


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Saturnine
August 14, 2007, 01:13 AM
I've got a pretty small firearms budget and was pretty set on a Remington 870 for my next purchase, but I "accidentally" came in here and read through some of the threads on the Garand and now I really want one. I was looking through the CMP's site and was considering one of their field grade guns, and I'm curious about where they get them from. Are they leftovers from WWII? If not, when were they made?

I really love the old military guns, and hope to one day have a nice collection of them. I feel like there's a limited number of Garands and their only going to become more expensive the longer I wait to get one, so I'm tempted to get one now (even though the 870 would be a more practical choice). Am I just trying to justify getting one, or do you expect the prices to go up with time?

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Gator
August 14, 2007, 01:28 AM
CMP Garand prices have been going up steadily, no worry about losing any money there. They get them from the Army, although some recent M1s were lent to Denmark and Greece before being returned. You could get a Garand from almost any point in production (1936-1957), but don't expect a real early one...those get auctioned :rolleyes:

JamesM
August 14, 2007, 01:29 AM
Go for the Garand. You will always be able to buy an 870.

jefnvk
August 14, 2007, 01:30 AM
They're all military surplus, so either WWII/right after or Korea wartime produced. Mine is from 1943, and probably my favorite gun

Steve in PA
August 14, 2007, 01:33 AM
870's are a dime a dozen and will be around for a long time. CMP Garands won't be around forever.

Saturnine
August 14, 2007, 01:51 AM
Oh man, you guys are going to make this hard. Right now all I've got is a Ruger 77/22 and I was interested in turkey hunting and wanted something that could double for HD, so I was pretty set on the 870. I really love the Garands though, even though it'd be a less practical decision, I'm still really tempted. Maybe I'll get both.

How long does the CMP's stock tend to hold out for? If I can wait until Christmas and work my ass off all semester, I could probably get one then. If there's any left. Maybe I'll get a used 870 to cut back on the cost some, I'd rather use the money to get the best Garand I can since I'll probably have it the rest of my life. Is the CMP usually the cheapest source for Garands? I could probably justify the Garand to my girlfriend and parents as an investment, since it'll only appreciate in value (assuming I take good care of it).

This forum is dangerous, the list of firearms I must own increases every time I come on here. Maybe if I take out a second college loan...

Gunsmoker
August 14, 2007, 02:05 AM
Is it better to go with the CMP or through garandguy?

Garandguy seems to have better quality garands. But then again, the CMP seems to have the CMP Select Grade.

JamesM
August 14, 2007, 02:30 AM
Gunsmoker:

There have been a couple of recent posts on the Garand Guy

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=295702

Saturnine: If your budget is really that tight, I would still say to buy the Garand. It will not take long to save up for an 870. Just cut back on beer and/or take out food for the rest of the semester and you will have enough for an 870 in no time.

alamo
August 14, 2007, 08:59 AM
According to the operating officer of the CMP, the shipment they just received is expected to last several years. They haven't even opened the crates yet and it is supposed to be late in the year before they start selling these. In the meantime, they are selling ones which were made from barreled receivers and parts. Nothing wrong with these at all. Almost all Garands were rebuilt and parts replaced over the years.

BsChoy
August 14, 2007, 10:45 AM
I was in the same boat last winter. I had x number of dollars for a glock 30 but my buddy talked me into getting a garabd with him. G30 will be around a while the M1....not so much. Besides the PING will leave a smile on your face evry time!

JamesM
August 14, 2007, 12:09 PM
According to the operating officer of the CMP, the shipment they just received is expected to last several years. They haven't even opened the crates yet and it is supposed to be late in the year before they start selling these. In the meantime, they are selling ones which were made from barreled receivers and parts. Nothing wrong with these at all. Almost all Garands were rebuilt and parts replaced over the years.

Are you referring to the rifles that went up for sale August 9? They say it will take 2-4 months for delivery so perhaps they are taking orders for the new shipment you are referring to?

alamo
August 14, 2007, 12:30 PM
Are you referring to the rifles that went up for sale August 9? They say it will take 2-4 months for delivery so perhaps they are taking orders for the new shipment you are referring to?

The CMP guy clarified the other day exactly what's going on. This is what I understand is going on - they're taking orders for and apparently have some ready to ship, Garands that were made by the CMP from barreled receivers. At some point late in the year or early next year, they will have Garands from the new shipment ready for sale. The CMP won't distinguish between the two - if you order you could get either one, assuming the ones made from barreled receivers last until they get rifles from the new shipment ready for sale. Maybe they'll run out for awhile until rifles from the new shipment are ready. Apparently, some of the rifles made from the barreled receivers are already on sale at the CMP stores.

30Cal
August 14, 2007, 02:40 PM
http://www.odcmp.com/Services/Rifles/m1garand.htm

9 August 2007
CMP has received another large transfer of Garands from the U.S. Army and we are currently processing these rifles through our Inspection & Repair program. We are accepting orders now, with delivery to be expected in anywhere form 60-120 days. Credit cards are not charged until a few days before actual shipping.

We apologize for any inconvenience this delay may cause and thank you for your continued support of CMP programs.


If you can make it to the North Store in Camp Perry Ohio or the South Store in Anniston, I highly recommend it (even if you have to drive all day to do it). There are gems to be found in the racks there. I got this Service Grade two weeks ago. Minty.

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1261/1092061281_4872b6a871.jpg

Ty

strat81
August 14, 2007, 03:13 PM
I got this Service Grade two weeks ago. Minty.

Is the CMP using peppermint oil to treat the stocks? :)

DMK
August 14, 2007, 03:24 PM
The CMP guy clarified the other day exactly what's going on. This is what I understand is going on - they're taking orders for and apparently have some ready to ship, Garands that were made by the CMP from barreled receivers. At some point late in the year or early next year, they will have Garands from the new shipment ready for sale. The CMP won't distinguish between the two - if you order you could get either one, assuming the ones made from barreled receivers last until they get rifles from the new shipment ready for sale. Maybe they'll run out for awhile until rifles from the new shipment are ready. Apparently, some of the rifles made from the barreled receivers are already on sale at the CMP stores.That is exactly my take on it as well:

http://www.odcmp.org/new_forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=35612

Bill73
August 14, 2007, 05:54 PM
When the CMP receives shipments the guns are not sold out of the crates. Each gun is torn down, parts gauged and those not up to snuff are replaced. Some of the guns are just stripped for parts to rebuild those sold. Any Garand that turns up with all original parts, as manufactured, is auctioned off as a collectible (few and far between). At one time you could pick the manufacture of your choice by the name on the receiver even though several parts had to be replaced to make the gun safe and meet certain standards. When the pickings got slim, then you took whatever they sent you. I got a Winchester, 1942, rebuilt at the Letter Kenny Arsenal in 1965. The receiver was just about the only part that was Winchester. The barrel was a Springfield and a throat erosion gauge reflected about 1. Maybe the rifle was never reissued after being rebuilt. It and my all correct Winchester brought back plenty of memories. The carbine had been through the up grade program with the bayonet lug being added along with the new safety.

http://pic14.picturetrail.com/VOL524/636041/1021439/34599711.jpg

JamesM
August 17, 2007, 12:33 PM
My order arrive at CMP on sat and I just received an email telling me they have shipped my rifle. I thought there was a 60-120 day wait......? I called to make sure that I wasn’t getting the bottom of the barrel from the last shipment and I was told the rifles they are shipping out right now are in good shape. Should I be concerned?

DMK
August 17, 2007, 12:50 PM
Should I be concerned?CMP will take care of you. You got a refurb gun assembled from previous shipments. They will be the same specs as the guns from the next shipment.

JamesM
August 17, 2007, 01:30 PM
This would be my first Garand and I doubt I will be able to purchase another one for a while. Would there be a quality (or collectability) difference between the refurbs and the newer shipment. I don’t mind waiting if I will end up with a better rifle.

Now for the stupid questions. Is the Garand like the SKS such that all major components have a serial number? Are all CMP rifles pieced together or are some sent out in with all of their original parts?

I am just nervous because I sprung for the service grade and “refurb gun assembled from previous shipments” sounds similar to “parts kit gun”.

Swampy
August 17, 2007, 02:23 PM
Now for the stupid questions. Is the Garand like the SKS such that all major components have a serial number? Are all CMP rifles pieced together or are some sent out in with all of their original parts?

I am just nervous because I sprung for the service grade and “refurb gun assembled from previous shipments” sounds similar to “parts kit gun”.

James,

Original rifles with all the same parts that they had when coming from the factory are very rare.... "Collector Grade"... and priced accordingly. Generally not for the casual collector or shooter. Prices START at around $2k for a Korean era M1 and go way, WAAAY up from there for a WWII model.

99.99% of all M1's are "Parts guns". Instead of going through one or six arsenal maintenance rebuilds during it's lifetime yours just was built up by the armorers of CMP from the same stock of GI parts any other rebuilt rifle came from. It will be just as good as any other M1 they sell.

Re serials.... The M1 does not have serials on it's parts like furrin' weapons. The US did not do that nonsense. Some major parts have drawing numbers and revisions that will help you determine the time frame when that part was manufactured. You will need a referrence book to show which drawing and revision was current for the time your receiver was made.

Best,
Swampy

Garands forever

alamo
August 17, 2007, 02:32 PM
99.99% of all M1's are "Parts guns". Instead of going through one or six arsenal maintenance rebuilds during it's lifetime yours just was built up by the armorers of CMP from the same stock of GI parts any other rebuilt rifle came from. It will be just as good as any other M1 they sell.


+1 on this. There was a good article in "American Rifleman" a few years ago by Bruce Canfield on the depots that rebuilt the M1s. Almost all of them have replacement parts and barrels. That's just the way it is unless you want to pay really big bucks for the very few that are relatively intact.

Rugerforme
August 17, 2007, 03:32 PM
I got my CMP Garand around 12 years ago after completing the course and M1 shoot.

It’s all Springfield except the charge handle which is Winchester. The SN makes it a 1943, it’s in awesome condition and better than any of the ones that my buddies got at the same time. As I was told by some of the older guys in the club I belonged to at the time it was a “Rack Gun” and was very lucky. Not sure of the significants of a "Rack Gun" but they drooled over it every time we shot together.

Slinger
August 17, 2007, 05:21 PM
I got my first Garand from the CMP North Store about a month ago. For me it was well worth the trip (about 3hrs 45min each way). There you are able to look through the racks of available rifles and use the bore guages that they have there to check the barrels. To be honest most of the rack grades bores were pretty loose. I ended up spending about an hour in "the cage" looking over the rifles before my wife pulled out a honey which turned out to be made in November of 1941. The barrel guaged out much tighter than most of the field grades which we had been looking at. For me it was quite a find as most of the rifles there were much newer and not as nice. The gentleman that helped us when we got there said if he had seen this one he would have bought it himself.

You won't find a more helpful bunch of people than are working there. They can assist you with any questions you have and are happy to help you look for a rifle.

JamesM
August 18, 2007, 12:25 AM
Thanks for the info. I was a little concerned but am back to being excited. I just figured out how to check the order status online.......ship date is still TBD. Maybe if I check back in five minutes it will change:D

Onmilo
August 18, 2007, 12:32 AM
I have said it before and I will say it again.
Once you own an M1 Garand you won't want to be without one again.

These rifles possess an attraction few military rifles have.

Neo-Luddite
August 18, 2007, 12:45 AM
JamesM--

My first was a beat-to-heck M-1 that (after I refurbed it over the years) is still my favorite. It was imported back from Korea before that was prohibited (1990/91). It took 15 years but I finally got No. 2 in Fall 2005.


Now, I want No. 3.


Unless something very bizarre happens, you won't be disappointed. The debate about it's place in the current world blathers on but Garand shooters know this;

The dogs bark when the Elephant walks by.

It will impress you.

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