Sarsilmaz 9mm handgun?


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StephenT
August 15, 2007, 04:32 PM
Today, the Academy Sports (TX) flyer is advertising a Sarsilmaz Hancer 9mm pistol on sale for $359.99. I think Academy Sports here in Houston carries two variations, the other being a 15+1 Kama sporting a longer barrel and vents toward the front of the frame.

I was wondering if anyone on the board had picked up one of these Turkish-made guns and how well the gun has performed for you thus far....

Here's a link to the company's website: http://www.sarsilmaz.com/eng/urun_alt.php?id=21

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megjur
August 15, 2007, 05:33 PM
Sarsilmaz is building their CZ-75 knockoff for Armalite too, reviews have been good. The Kama, if I'm correct features a slide mount decocker, while the Hancer has standard CZ75 safety.

StephenT
August 15, 2007, 07:45 PM
Well, I decided to take the plunge and picked up the 9mm. Though quite compact (13 round mags) and comfortable in my hand, the gun is actually quite heavy being all steel. It reminds me of the CZ-75 PCR. Fit and finish seem to be excellent. I'll give it a test run this weekend and will let you how it performs.

Whirlwind06
August 16, 2007, 09:43 AM
Looks a lot like my Baby desert eagle. But the DE has a slide mounted safety.
Mine is all steel too.

Silent Bob
August 16, 2007, 11:23 AM
Can the Hancer be carried cocked and locked?

ajoker31
August 16, 2007, 11:23 AM
Really looking forward to your range report. Although I was tempted to buy one myself I wanted to give them a bit of time before I also took the plung. If my local Academy Sports would have had one with a lower serial number it would have been impossible to hold back.

Now if Academy starts selling the Kilinc 2000 Professional I'll be all over it! I haven't seen anything about a warranty on it though....have you?

Joker

StephenT
August 16, 2007, 11:39 AM
Bob -- yes, the gun may be carried in condition 1.

armoredman
August 16, 2007, 12:54 PM
Clone of a clone. Sarsilmaz was originally listed by Tanfoglio as a distributer, then moved into thier own manufacturing. Now the clone of a clone is coming in the US as Armalite, and under it's own name.
Don't think this means it is a bad sidearm, by any means. Sarsilmaz had an interesting torture test ala Glock with one of thier early pistols, and it passed quite handily. The CZ-75 based Sarsilmaz is apparently quite a fine firearm, and Turkey has had an extensive quality firearms industry for some time.
They have some engraved models that are quite attractive.

Wandering Man
August 21, 2007, 12:32 PM
So do we have a range report, yet?

WM

ikelo
August 21, 2007, 09:32 PM
I looked at the Kama and Hancer again today at Academy. As others have mentioned, Acadamy LLC Katy, TX is stamped in the side of the gun.

The Hancer looks the best to me, somewhat like a CZ PCR, but the grips are really wide.

StephenT
August 21, 2007, 10:03 PM
Ok, I've just returned from the range where I tried out Academy's Turkish 9mm.

I fired 150 rounds (S&B, Ingman, and Wolf) in all and experienced two FTFs with the wolf ammo. S&B and Ingman fed without the slightest problem. Accuracy was similar with all three brands.

I imagine that the trigger will become smoother with more practice. The trigger has some slight creep in single action mode. All in all, I'm very pleased with the Hancer.

Below is a picture of my shots at 15 yards.

kjeff50cal
August 21, 2007, 10:33 PM
what pic :confused:.

StephenT
August 21, 2007, 10:41 PM
Sorry, I had some trouble adding it. The 10.1 resolution made the photo too large (3.5MB), so I had to figure out how to compress it. It's there now.

kjeff50cal
August 22, 2007, 02:33 AM
Verrrry Nice!!!! Im torn between the Hancer and the Kama (a buick lover:p). I will get one or the other to keep my EAA Witness company.

zanzibar
June 22, 2009, 02:18 AM
I know this is an old thread, but I just purchased a Hancer 2000 9mm from Academy. Put 200 rounds of cheap ammo through it without a single problem. Very accurate at 10 yds or less. Didn't try greater distances. Materials, construction, fit and finish are all excellent. Rubber grips feel good in my hand. Trigger action is smooth and effective. Field strips very simply. Overall, a highy capable firearm that compares very favorably with much higher priced models.

JAV8000
June 22, 2009, 03:41 AM
If it's anything like my Stoeger Cougar (Turkish made), I would say you got a great deal. I still really want an all steel CZ SP01 non-decocker model. I figure it to be a really fast shooter with hot 9mm ammo, kinda like a super hi-cap 9mm 1911 SA/condition 1 capable service auto that also has second strike capability.

My Stoeger Cougar rocks with hot 9mms. Turkey arms manufacturers have shown the capacity to produce some really nice guns for bargain prices in recent years.

Dobe
June 23, 2009, 12:33 AM
I have the AR-24. It is very well made, and the quality is high. I prefer it to a CZ.

Nosidda Zneas
December 30, 2009, 01:42 AM
i got the KAMA the day after christmas for $250 clearance ($50) taken off from a gift card. finish fit and feel are excellent! been researching it for about a year and am glad to have made the purchase. I shot it two days ago and the trigger is smooth and trhe cycling of the slide and rounds is smooth great gun well made groups well firt mag i shot held a 2 inch group at 15'

i would trust my life to it

Arthur2001
December 30, 2009, 07:31 AM
I highly advise to test fire a Stoeger Cougar 8000F. I had the opportunity to experience it in a range around 150 rounds. No single failure at all and quite good shooter with its rotated barrel. As per the range guys tolds, it had over 35.000 rounds shooted without any failure.
Cheers,

tekarra
December 30, 2009, 09:17 PM
$250 for a Kama! Where?

mactex
December 30, 2009, 09:56 PM
Soooo... What type of holster is everyone using and what type of pistol do the Sarsilmaz cross reference to when you order a holster?

Volfy
January 1, 2010, 04:46 AM
Just bought one too, after watching the remaining stock at the local stores beginnning to disappear. Academy has been marking the clearance price down several times already. Both Hancer and Kama are now $278+tx. I really wanted to like the Kama, which I couldn't find an exact same model on Sarsilmaz's website. The closest I could find is the P8S, but it has a top-vented barrel & slide whereas the Kama does not.

I went with the Hancer because it simply felt better in my hands. I am pretty sure it's the same as the K10C on Sarsilmaz's website.

The after-sale support does bother me some - now that Academy is quitting the line - but Briley's local to me, so I figure it's worth a gamble at that price.

The fit&finish - where it matters - is as good as most pistols south of $800. The slide rails felt smooth and precise. There are some internal non-mating surfaces that are somewhat rough and show machining marks, but that's just cosmetics. And none of the letterings were lasered or fancy etched.

Even though I do own polymer guns, there is something gratifying about an all-metal gun. Especially steel, which makes that unique bright klanking sound when you rack & release the slide, that even aluminum frame can't quite match.

Probably not ideal for carry, but I have a feeling this one will see a lot more range time than all my other pistols, with the exception of the Buckmark 22.

BTW, tried the magazine from the $699 CZ75 at the store, and it fits well, but does stick out a bit. Other online owners reported CZ 9mm 15-rd mags working flawlessly with the Sarsilmaz, So I am not too worried about finding extra mags.

BossHogg
January 3, 2010, 05:29 PM
Fits my 1911 leather holsters but not plastic, also set in glock and sigma holsters.

Volfy
January 4, 2010, 06:31 PM
Bought a Mec-gar CZ 75 Compact 9mm 14rd, and it cycles rounds just fine in the Hancer 2000. Haven't made it to range yet. It is about the same length as the stock Sarsilmaz 13rd mags, but because it has just a plain steel base plate, it does leave about 1/4" gap. I am sure I can fashion some kind of a filler to take up the gap, if I ever feel the need to. For now, if it works well enough for target use, I'll be happy already.

Volfy
January 5, 2010, 08:16 PM
Just came back from shooting the Hancer 2000 for the first time at the range. Couldn't get the gun to fire at first. Squeeze the trigger, hammer falls, but no bang. Cycle the slide and found no strike mark on the primer cap. Push the firing pin and it does stick out and spring back properly.

I then reinserted the loaded mag and tried it again. Still no bang. This time I pulled the trigger again - in DA mode - and BANG! Pulled the trigger again (in SA mode) and no bang. It would reliably fire in DA mode, but not in SA mode. I fire off some 50 rds, and then occasionally the Hancer would fire in SA. That's when it dawned on me that Doh!!! I should've cleaned it thoroughly first before bringing it to the range. It was probably all that cosmoline or grease that made the firing pin move sluggishly at first.

By the end of the 100rds, it was firing on SA every time.

tekarra
January 5, 2010, 09:52 PM
Live and learn! I have been down that road and now, every new pistol I buy is stripped, thoroughly cleaned and lubed before the first shot. That experience sure takes the fun out of the first shoot.

BossHogg
January 6, 2010, 09:33 AM
I had about same results with my new Hancer 2000. Mine would hit the round but not hard enough to fire , I soon noticed that the slide wasn't quite going all the way forward. Soon came to same thought of cleaning & oiling first.
I'm not giving up on the gun, feels great and shoots straight when it shoots.
MY white dots on rear sights fell off,no big deal.I also noticed that mags were loose when loaded in gun ,but no issuses.
Let's get these guns lined out, keep us updated. As it's a steel gun, I'm sure it will need quite a few rounds to work out the little quirks in it. I really want to make it workout for range & plinking. I had to take display model, last one here, so low ssn 00290.;)

Volfy
January 6, 2010, 12:30 PM
Mine was the last NIB the store had in the safe, but serial# was low too. In the low 200s too, I think. It wouldn't bother me to buy the display model, though. These Sarsilmaz probably got very little interest from shoppers, most of whom would only look at the big names (Glock, Sig, S&W, Ruger, etc.). So they seldom get taken out of the display case, I bet. Which is likely why Academy is quitting the line.

I am pretty sure the initial hiccup is not a inherent flaw or design problem, so I still think this one will work out real well for range practice. You're right about it being a steel gun and needs a little break-in. If anything, being a little tight brand new can actually be a good thing.

Got the Hancer cleaned & lubed last night, and will be giving it a good workout again either today or tomorrow.

BossHogg
January 6, 2010, 01:45 PM
Love the price and feel of this gun hope we can get them worked out. Never been afraid of out of the norm guns. Star PD one of my all time favorites. Nothing like nice steel guns,may not want to CCW, but have carried full size 1191's. May be a bit before I get it back out but will post how it went.

djc9
January 6, 2010, 04:09 PM
Volfy,

Where in TX are you? I've checked out a couple Academys in Austin without any luck. There's plenty of stuff on clearance but I particuarly would like to pick up a CZ clone locally.

Thanks.

Volfy
January 6, 2010, 04:56 PM
SW Houston. I have been to all the Academy stores this part of town and most are all out of Sarsilmaz. Only a couple of stores still have one of either Hancer or Kama left. That was this past week, so no telling if they are still there. One curious note though, one store that was out of them before Xmas had a Kama back out in the display case. May be Academy still has some stock left in their main warehouse (Katy?).

Academy is also clearancing out the BUL Cherokee for $388, which is made in Israel, I believe, which makes pretty good firearms. Just makes the $278 Sarsilmaz leftovers seem that much sweeter buys.

BTW, I picked up a Hogue CZ75 wraparound grip at the gun show last weekend. I would have preferred one for the CZ75 compact version that would be a closer fit for the Hancer, but I don't think anybody makes one. Anyhow, I trial-fitted the Hogue on the Hancer. The lower part obvious is too long, but the upper part seems to have all the right contours and allowances. If I ever end up picking up a Kama, I'm pretty sure it would be (or very close to be) a drop in fit. Otherwise, I'll modify it to go on the Hancer.

Volfy
January 6, 2010, 05:10 PM
Bosshogg, for me it seems the more popular it is, the less attractive it is for me. Which is partly why I stay away from Glock. My only handgun for many years is a Browning BDM. Great steel gun with a very novel pistol/revolver mode feature and very slim for a double stack 9mm. Makes most double stackers today look like pork-bellied Nerf guns.

BossHogg
January 6, 2010, 05:36 PM
I got the last Hancer in No. Little Rock. They had 1 Kama in the safe & 1 on display. They told me that they wouldn't get anymore after they sold.
I don't know if they transfer between stores, but may be worth checking into.

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