Why no hardcasts for 45acp?


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capitolpeak
August 15, 2007, 07:44 PM
Why doesnt DT or BB (or anyone for that matter) make a HC round for the 45acp? DT makes one for the .40 and the 10mm but no .45. This vexes me. The applications for this would be outstanding. I figure there has to be a scientific explanation. Anyone know?

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Canuck-IL
August 15, 2007, 07:55 PM
No idea who DT and BB are but I and a lot of other Bullseye shooters use nothing but hardcast lead from at least 12 vendors that I or local club members have personally used.

The rest of the BE community use either home cast or swaged.
/Bryan

capitolpeak
August 15, 2007, 08:01 PM
sorry DT= double tap..BB= buffalo bore....... so your saying there are 45acp hardcasts preloaded that you can buy?

mavracer
August 15, 2007, 08:28 PM
http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=836199&t=11082005
these are cast bullets,I'm sure others load them as well.not sure what your wanting to do.if its hunting your after any FMJ non ball (ie truncated cone or swc) will work as well.

Canuck-IL
August 15, 2007, 10:59 PM
Capitol...my bad - you want loaded cartridges and I was referring to bullets only.

Georgia Arms sells some loaded lead in 200 and 230
http://www.georgia-arms.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWCATS&Category=3212&Page=2

NSKSales.com has target (Bullseye) loads and, I believe, regular lead loadings but he needs a call these days as the prices are bouncing around too much for a regular posting.

Finally, I think Precision Delta offers a very few lead loadings...mostly FMJ for IPSC shooters... http://www.precisiondelta.com/
/B

capitolpeak
August 16, 2007, 09:48 AM
thanks...georgia-arms seems to offer a LSWC. I wonder if its hardcast.......

Canuck-IL
August 16, 2007, 03:32 PM
Pretty sure they would be hardcast - much of the BE community is always looking for swaged and since Star left the scene, only Zero and some Precision loads have been mentioned as available. Note that Precision and Precision Delta are separate companies.
/B

DBR
August 16, 2007, 06:53 PM
Buffalo Bore loads a FMJFN truncated cone for 45 ACP.
http://www.buffalobore.com/ammunition/default.htm#45acp

It looks like BB only offers a FMJFN now in 45. Give them call. I'm pretty sure they had HC lead FN a couple of years ago.

Hornady makes swagged lead bullets in 45 ACP.
https://www.hornady.com/shop/?ps_session=341192ab4c98e9b364aa49e5f16a9e5c&page=shop%2Fbrowse&category_id=c824f8a3cf4470d4fa95f4c7b72957e0

Vern Humphrey
August 16, 2007, 08:12 PM
Hard cast bullets have two advantages; they stand up to high pressures and velocities better, and most "hard" alloys fill out moulds better. The low-velocity, low pressure .45 ACP actually does better with alloys softer than those commercial bullet casters offer.

capitolpeak
August 16, 2007, 11:58 PM
well my application is woods protection. I dont want any expansion. If I continue to carry the xd in the backcountry I want the lil energy it does have to do something. I might give them a call and see what those are.

brickeyee
August 17, 2007, 09:03 AM
Hard cast is not required at the low pressure and velocity of a .45 ACP and may actually cause leading.
The pressures are not high enough to make a hard cast bullet obturate properly and blow by can be the result.
Hard is not always the correct answer.

Kilgor
August 21, 2007, 07:47 AM
Brickeyee,

A gas check solves that.

the naked prophet
August 21, 2007, 11:26 AM
Just to expound on what brickeye was saying, if the bullet does not properly obdurate (the rear end expands), it doesn't seal the bore. If it doesn't seal the bore, hot gas blows by. When the hot gas blows by, it melts the lead, and even vaporizes it. This molten/vaporized lead then deposits in the barrel. That is the problem with hard cast bullets in low-pressure calibers.

Here is a good explanation, and a great place to buy lead bullets for reloading.

http://www.missouribullet.com/technical.html

Kilgor
August 21, 2007, 01:01 PM
Uh huh... and to expound on what I said.

GAS CHECK

bluetopper
August 21, 2007, 11:04 PM
qualityammo.com sells great 200gr., SWC 45 ammo. That's all I've bought for a couple of years now. Very accurate.

I've promised myself to start reloading now however!

eldon519
August 22, 2007, 07:32 AM
If you want no expansion and full penetration, why not just use ball?

For woodland critters, I personally like to load 230-grain FMJ-SWCs available from Magtech.

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