"Topping off" an M1 (see the lousy video!)


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Ian
August 16, 2007, 01:13 AM
It seems like every time the M1 Garand gets discussed, at least a couple people always complain that you can't top off the thing. Well, yes you can. One way is just like a box-mag-fed rifle; you can eject the partial clip (that's what the little lever on the left side of the receiver does) and load a new full one. Or you can open the action and load individual cartridges into the partial clip. Just to prove this, I took my crummy webcam and made a small crummy video of me doing it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8C0KdP6BdI

There are enough legit criticisms of the M1 to stick to, without needing to perpetuate mythical ones. :banghead:

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30Cal
August 16, 2007, 11:34 AM
If your problems require more than 8rds of 30-06, then you should be more concerned about your choice of running shoe than your choice of rifle.

Ty

Chipperman
August 16, 2007, 11:48 AM
The problem is not that you can't top it off. It's that you have to temporarily disable the rifle to do it.
With a (detachable) mag-fed rifle, the rifle can still be fired with the chambered round, even while the mag is out.

El Tejon
August 16, 2007, 12:11 PM
What Chipperman said. Tis no myth.

It is not that you cannot put in more rounds, but that the weapon is out of service and cannot cover where the threat may be. As well, the shooter is strained to keep his head and eyes up where they should be instead of coon fingering the weapon (we could not see your head but I bet your eyes and head were down, no?). More to a tac reload than just putting more rounds in.

DMK
August 16, 2007, 12:16 PM
I carry an extra mag for my CCW. I've never carried loose rounds. I've never "topped off a mag" in any gun.

If you have two rounds in your Garand and you want more, eject the clip and insert a new one. What's the problem?

ConfuseUs
August 16, 2007, 02:12 PM
It's doable, as the video shows, but playing fumble fingers with a mechanism that has a reputation for biting the careless is not a good idea, IMHO. Even more so under pressure.

Nameless_Hobo
August 16, 2007, 03:12 PM
I don't see the reason to do it in combat. Shoot the rest of the clip then reload.
If you need to fill the clip, you should wait for a lull in the fight, or when the fight is over with, not while you're staring an enemy in the eye.

As a side note, that's a damn nice Garand, I've always liked the look of a scout scope on a Garand. I wish I had the money to buy a Garand.

Ian
August 16, 2007, 07:32 PM
If you have two rounds in your Garand and you want more, eject the clip and insert a new one. What's the problem?

I agree; I don't see much tactical utility in loading individual rounds. But it just bugged me to keep seeing people claim that it couldn't be done.

(we could not see your head but I bet your eyes and head were down, no?)

Yes, they were - though a proper reload (see DMK's comment above) does not require taking eyes off the target.

Samuraigg
August 16, 2007, 07:48 PM
Yeah. One of the great things about enbloc clips is that; in an emergency you can just eject the partially spent clip and leave it on the ground for all you care, the clips are worth like a buck a piece. Just eject, put in new clip and you are good to go.

I'm sure people would be much more reluctant to pull out and leave an M14 magazine on the ground.

Vern Humphrey
August 16, 2007, 07:49 PM
As for building a clip of 8, I'm reminded of what Uncle Herbivore says, "I admit it's a neat trick. But like being able to micturate through your ears, it's of limited combat effectiveness."

Buckskinner
August 17, 2007, 12:46 AM
The coolest thing about that video are the links to the other 158 Garand videos!
Thanks for taking the time to make the video, post it, then tell us about it.

DMK
August 17, 2007, 11:57 AM
The coolest thing about that video are the links to the other 158 Garand videos!Especially the field strip vid.

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