What is the "sport" in using a tree stand?


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Boats
August 18, 2007, 09:47 PM
I'll begin by admittting I have never used one or ever felt like using one so I don't get the attraction for some.

Overheard some guys who couldn't walk a hundred yards without panting talking about ATVing their tree stands out to a screen of trees bordering some guy's farm that'd be left with all of the carrots that don't get picked. That's hunting? Just this side of hunting over bait, for a deer? In a tree stand? That's convenience store shopping, not sportsmanlike behavior.

To me, static "hunts" are about as exciting as fishing in a private trout pond the size of a small swimming pool.

So what is the draw to ambushing game animals that aren't birds?

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Rembrandt
August 18, 2007, 09:56 PM
....that's convenience store shopping, not sportsmanlike behavior.

What's your definition of sportsmanlike behavior when hunting deer?

Boats
August 18, 2007, 10:02 PM
My minimum is that there should be some sort of stalking involved.

I guess I have become too old school. Game cameras, scent blockers/lockers, range finders, ATVs, and now apparently tree stands, strike me as one step above shooting from the road behind the wheel.

Rembrandt
August 18, 2007, 10:12 PM
Man uses the same techniques as other predators in nature. Many animals including big cats hunt perched from trees, other animals track & stalk while many use camoflauge to trick prey to the dinner table.

AntiqueCollector
August 18, 2007, 10:22 PM
And some people are more interested in getting the meat than any sort of "sport." Don't be so quick to judge just because their ideas on hunting are different than yours...

mod700
August 18, 2007, 10:26 PM
i have been in a tree or a shooting house over a food plot with a scoped high powered rifle with scent spray on and still missed chances at good deer. they are smart man. just cause you hunt them a certain way doesnt gaurentee a dead deer.

W.E.G.
August 18, 2007, 10:29 PM
If you can sneak up on wild deer (as opposed to the tame ones that walk around my suburban neighborhood), you are a better man than me Gunga Din.

The only deer I've ever killed are the ones I waited for near oak trees (acorns).

I can shoot the suburban deer with my slingshot, and they just look at me with an annoyed expression, and keep on eating my wife's expensive landscaping. If I run at them, they will usually trot over into the neighbors' yards and stare at me - like they are daring me to do something that will get the neighbors to call the police.

If some fat guy wants to ride his ATV out to where the deer are, and kill one for the freezer, I got nothing against that. Daniel Boone wasn't skinny because he ate Jenny Craig. He was just skinny because there wasn't a lot of food to eat. I bet he would have really liked to have an ATV and a carrot field.

elrod
August 18, 2007, 11:27 PM
Boats, if you like to run 'em down and beat with a stick until they expire, more power to you!:neener: However, if others choose to work many hours to purchase an ATV, labor to build a tree stand, plant a green field (don't have many carrots in these parts), and choose his quarry at his leasure, then that's his business! As the saying goes, different strokes.........
As I say, more power to him. (Hadn't heard him a whinin' bout your methods):D

Tomcat47
August 18, 2007, 11:45 PM
The sport in using a tree stand to me is relative to how tired I am when I get to my huntin spot....

If I didnt sleep well the night before...I like the tree Lounge.....man you can sleep through a Tornado in that baby.....but always tie in guys....safety first!

If I got moderate sleep I like the hangin stand.....just pull my back out three times gettin it up and wait a couple days for the search party to find me reelin in pain at the bottom of the tree.

If I got a really good sleep I like the lite verions....alumilites with the mossy oak pattern...they are hangers to but they are lite especially if you leave those da@! screw in steps in the truck....get to my spot and strapit about 2 ft off the ground and get out of the leaves....now im ready for him,and if I decide to walk around...just step down and stalk awhile...

The above is comical......but by accidnent the last method has filled my freezer more than the other 2 combined over the years...

Stalking or actually Hunting has worked for me........In Conclusion.... I have seen more deer and had more opportunity on my feet than hangin in a tree...But I do think the tree stand is perfect for squirrell huntin they come right to ya...raise cain and throw stuff at ya!

The tree stand years for me should have been.....hey guys lets go Waiting this weekend!

W.E.G.
August 18, 2007, 11:56 PM
So I'm not the only one then who ever went "huntin'" and woke up to wonder "just wuddindafug was makin' all that racket," to see that it was tomorrow evening's meal standing there waitin' to meet his maker.

Probably not real good on a fat boy's ticker to go from like 60 beats per minute to 180 bpm in two seconds.

.41 magnum man
August 19, 2007, 12:53 AM
I say, if it is legal, go for it. I wasn't raised to ever think of deer hunting as as a sport. Never even heard that term until a few years ago. I always looked at it as putting meat on the table. Now if I go to work to put food on the table for an outfit that gives me the option to do my job in anyway I see fit, and I do it the easiest way I can figure out, does that make me a cheater at earning my paycheck so I can go to the grocery store, or even buy my hunting license or ladder stand? Is it fair to say I am a sorry excuse for working man because I do it different than someone else might? Well, to me, putting that meat on the table is part of providing for my family, and I am going to do it in a way that best guarantees the job will get done. And someone can argue that we don't have to hunt from nessesity anymore, we can just go to the store. Well that argument goes just as well for those who grow gardens, fruit orchards, and raise chickens. In other words, it doesn't fly. :D

quatin
August 19, 2007, 01:07 AM
Hunting can be however hard you want it to be. Just like fishing can be however hard you want it to be.

Sport fishing is different since there are regulations to keep things fair. Just like how sport hunting has regulations to keep things fair. Let's remember these are two different subjects.

Jimmy Newman
August 19, 2007, 03:34 AM
I hunt from a tripod stand pushed up against some trees, which is pretty similar to a tree stand, when pistol hunting (with an open sights S&W Model 57) or attempting to bow hunt, both of which require (for me at least) a max distance of about 30 yards. I think that's reasonable, and with the deer that close to you, it's still real easy to scare them off. I've been that close on the ground, too, but in the past when I've done it it's been sitting in bushes in a ghillie suit and it's not very comfortable.

Clipper
August 19, 2007, 05:59 AM
Yeah, the fishing analogy really says it all for me...I fish with ultralight tackle. I've taken 30-pound salmon on 8lb test line (the heaviest rig I own), and 6lb smallmouth on 2lb line. Often I don't even keep them and simply turn 'em loose, going mainly for the excitement and the fight. Would I say anyone who does it different, or doesn't practice catch-and-release is unsportsmanlike? Hex no! So I'd appreciate not being called names because I happen look at deer as meat on the table and take every advantage I can including every licensing opportunity to take a doe (tastes better to me) because they're more plentiful and less wary. And the idea that since someone isn't in shape to run a marathon should somehow exclue them from the opportunity to partake of the hunt is nothing but elitist B.S.

koja48
August 19, 2007, 09:07 AM
I don't use a tree stand, but would have no problem doing so if conditions warranted such tactics. I happen to enjoy still hunting, but those deer/elk I have harvested using the hunting technique I prefer/find effective were also coming to/from feeding, breeding, bedding, etc. Stand site selection/stand placement takes a degree of skill & knowledge too, not to mention patience. Some folks hunt more for the challenge, some for the table, some for a combination thereof. For years, I hunted deer/elk with only a long bow, but during this time I didn't look down my nose at anyone who opted to hunt with the latest flat-shooting, magnum, long-range rifle. To each his/her own as long as they use legal methods & harvest tools and hunt safely. Something about "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" comes to mind . . .

Art Eatman
August 19, 2007, 09:21 AM
Hunting from some sort of stand is the only possible way, in some terrains and vegetation. Relatively flat country with dense woods or brush comes immediately to mind.

Not all that many hunters can be successful via still hunting--that is, stalking--and so the stand allows for some sort of success.

I very much have preferred walking/stalking. But I got invited to a hunt in west central Texas on a ranch with a lot of post oak trees. I couldn't take a step without dry leaves crackling and crunching. Find a spot and sit, was about the only way.

I just figure that the terrain and vegetation pretty much control how a person hunts.

And the way my back hurts, nowadays, my pickup truck is about as good a blind as I want. :D

Art

JohnBT
August 19, 2007, 09:59 AM
"Just this side of hunting over bait"

Bait? Ever hunt squirrels in an oak or hickory tree?

Groundhogs in a corn field?

Rabbits in a garden?

Bears near a wild bee hive or berry patch?


I never got into deer hunting because there weren't any when I was growing up. And I mean none. My grandfather and his two brothers had 1500 apple trees on the side of a mountain not too many miles from the Shenandoah National Park and they never saw a deer up into the '60s. Even after the state of Virginia imported deer it took decades to build the population up enough for deer hunting to become even a little popular, much less what it is today. Now you can run them over on the highway, or in your yard, and never leave your vehicle. They can't be that hard to hunt if there more than 100,000 killed in Virginia every year. To each their own, and they can taste good if they're properly cleaned.

Around here there are a lot of folks who hunt deer from a stand on 10 or 15 acres. Mostly it's a matter of getting your scent up above them as much as you can.

To each their own.

sansone
August 19, 2007, 10:04 AM
I don't think you can walk up to a deer. unless it's sick. they simply hear or smell you coming and bolt before you even SEE them. also shooting from elevation is safer since the bullet dives into the ground. shooting horizontally with most deer guns can kill someone up to 1/2 mile away

MCgunner
August 19, 2007, 11:02 AM
I got a 10 acre place that's ate up with deer and hogs and I took two bucks off it last year by sitting in a tripod stand and hunting a feeder, the only way I can do it down there. So sue me. It's a Texas tradition. If it don't meet your definition of hunting, don't do it. But, start calling me names and you can kiss where I can't.

We don't have public hunting here as in Oregon. If I'm going to hunt, I gotta dish out 2K a year for a lease or hunt my own land and all I could afford is 10 acres. There's probably an added 60 acres out there I have no idea who owns and there's no fences and a big ranch across the fence, but in Texas, you don't go walkin' around on someone else's land. You could get shot that way. We don't cotton to trespassers down here, sportsmen or not.

So, if you hunt a stand, basically, you're like a gator. You can't out run your quarry, so you sit and ambush. What's wrong with that? You have to know your limitations, after all. In heavy woods, it's not productive to move around. You have to stand hunt whether you're watching a feeder, an alfalfa field, or a game trail. It's a different kind of hunting involving patience, hours on the stand without making noises or moving around. If it ain't for you, don't do it.

koja48
August 19, 2007, 11:14 AM
Wouldn't call you names, gunner, but would cheerfully join you! Ain't ever shot a hog, but would surely like to someday. Sounds like you have a little slice of heaven there. I work with some Texans up here . . . fine folks, every one . . . hell, if I weren't born a Montanan, I'd like as not been born a Texan.

MCgunner
August 19, 2007, 11:17 AM
Here's my stand. That's ONE of the motts of scrub oak behind it. You can see the tall grass. A deer can hide in the grass and you have to be 15 yards from it to see it on ground level, let alone all the mots of scrub oak growing in patches everywhere. How are ya gonna hunt THAT without getting above it?

http://imageigloo.com/images/2528PICT0152.JPG

Sorry I sorta sounded confrontational, but I get a little tired of all the holier than thou comments about feeders and stands. It's the only way down here and it's neigh on tradition. I do love hunting out in west Texas near Art's neck of the woods and spot and stalking out there is a lot more fun, but it's just impossible to do where I'm at.

sansone
August 19, 2007, 11:30 AM
I got 11 acres, all the $$ me and the wife could muster-up. put a mobile home there and moved in. like heaven must be, I can shoot out the back door, burn my trash, and other freedoms city folk can't even imagine. I can die happy now. oh yea: will shoot my first deer come season ON MY OWN LAND:D

eliphalet
August 19, 2007, 11:37 AM
What is the "sport" in using a tree stand?
Puts meat on the table, I have never done it but why do you care? I have sat and watched the sun come up still hunting.

If I'm going to hunt, I gotta dish out 2K a year for a lease or hunt my own land and all I could afford is 10 acres
I read this and feel for you guys that live is such areas. I guess I have never seen a deer I would pay 2K for and if we lived where y-all do I wouldn't hunt deer. There otta be some kinda law for you guys for hunting access.

I doubt the guy in Or has a clue what your up against. Oregon like here in Idaho has more public land, BLM, Natl. Forest, and State land, than a guy could probably hunt in one lifetime.

MCgunner
August 19, 2007, 11:44 AM
Another method northwesterners used to lots of public hunting might find "unsportsmanlike" is what one fellow out in New Mexico when I was out there one year spot and stalking Mulies called Texas war wagons. :D He tells me "Ya can't legally shoot off the roads. Guys come up here from Texas with them "war wagons" and drive the roads, that's a no, no." What he was talking about is a Jeep or truck with an elevated seat in the back and gun rest. They drive along ranch roads spotting deer and shoot from the truck. Some are quite elaborate with communications from shooting platform to cab. Some are elevated WAY up in the air and look real tipsy. LOL

I've only done this once and it was from a 4 Runner's seat, not an elevated chair. This was before I bought my place and had no place to hunt. I saw an ad in the Victoria Advocate (paper) for doe hunts, 50 dollars. I had a .357 magnum carbine I'd just bought and wanted to try it on a deer, so I call this guy. I made the date, says "What time should I be there" thinking maybe 4AM or something. He says "How about 10 O'Clock, I have an opening at 10." I'm like.."WHAAAAAT?" ROFL! I says, "Will I be able to get inside 100 yards? Wanna try this .357 carbine." He says "Should be no problem." The guy was a game biologist and was thinning the excess of doe on the place. This was not intended to be sporting. It was a way of thinning the doe/buck ratio and getting some income from it. They heavily manage the herd on this ranch and get major money for the big bucks they have there. They charge a day fee plus so much per inch on the antlers. There's not even cattle on that ranch, just deer, and it's not high fenced because there is no need, huge piece of property.

So, I show up, get in his 4 Runner with my rifle, and we start down this ranch road, for those that might be familiar, it's one of the Wielder Ranches near green lake on the Bloomington Highway. There's amazing numbers of deer there along that road. Well, within the first quarter mile, there's a herd over there, a herd over here, we stop for a herd running across a road and I jumped out off hand, but couldn't get on 'em in time at 50 yards. We stop and spot a 12 pt that looks like it'd have no problem making a record book, move on another quarter mile and there's a herd of doe about 80 yards off the road. He stopped, I rolled down the window, and took a plump little 90 lber using the window glass as a rest. He gutted it for me, we drove back and put it in my van, and I was out of there exactly 45 minutes after arrival! ROFLMAO!!!! It was deer shooting. You might call it drive and spotting, but I did what I wanted to do, collect some meat and test the little carbine on a deer. The shot was just behind the shoulder, lung shot, and it went about 15 yards before dropping. That's one of the few times I've used that rifle to hunt with. It's mostly a range fun gun, but I wanted to see how it'd work on a deer.

wheelgunslinger
August 19, 2007, 11:46 AM
Boats,
I understand where you're coming from.
I am primarily a traditional bowhunter and don't use stands. However, when I have to hunt on public land to fill the freezer, I use a stand. Why? All the times I walk through sporting goods stores and hear some bubba asking for heavy bullets for his rifle so it will cut through the brush.
It's a little frightening to think of people shooting through brush at something they can't see. Especially when other people may be out there.
:what:

But, most of the time I pack way up in the mountains where the lazy crowd can't drive to that easily.

MCgunner
August 19, 2007, 12:00 PM
I understand where you're coming from.
I am primarily a traditional bowhunter and don't use stands. However, when I have to hunt on public land to fill the freezer, I use a stand. Why? All the times I walk through sporting goods stores and hear some bubba asking for heavy bullets for his rifle so it will cut through the brush.
It's a little frightening to think of people shooting through brush at something they can't see. Especially when other people may be out there.

That pretty much keeps me out of the east Texas piney woods. LOL There are 4 national forests and some state public hunt lands up there. Be okay if I lived up there (thinkin' about moving in a few years) and could scout all year and find the trails and hot spots, but I ain't goin' out there not knowing who or what is there and riskin' getting shot even if I'm wearing the required orange gear. There's not a lot of land compared to the number of hunters, city types, that converge on it from the Dallas metroplex and Houston areas every deer season. I go up there and squirrel hunt, great squirrel hunting, but I ain't riskin' my life to deer hunt and with a low probablility of success at that.

koja48
August 19, 2007, 12:04 PM
Gunner, that is some tall, thick stuff! Dang, a guy could end up wearing a hog trying to still hunt through that jungle.

Rokyudai
August 19, 2007, 12:54 PM
There is plenty of challenge/utility in using stands. I think gunner shows that with the picture. Four legged critters can be pretty smart at times. If you don't break your silhouette effectively or cover your scent, or stay still enough (oh that's fun when drawing a bow) to name a few...all you will see are white tails running from you!

Big Daddy K
August 19, 2007, 12:58 PM
How stinkin arrogant and full of onesself must one be to even think this way.

What is the "sport" in using a tree stand?

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I'll begin by admittting I have never used one or ever felt like using one so I don't get the attraction for some.

Overheard some guys who couldn't walk a hundred yards without panting talking about ATVing their tree stands out to a screen of trees bordering some guy's farm that'd be left with all of the carrots that don't get picked. That's hunting? Just this side of hunting over bait, for a deer? In a tree stand? That's convenience store shopping, not sportsmanlike behavior.

To me, static "hunts" are about as exciting as fishing in a private trout pond the size of a small swimming pool.

So what is the draw to ambushing game animals that aren't birds?
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This guy is just as much an enemy to hunting as the hsus and peta. :cuss:
Watch em guys.

Noxx
August 19, 2007, 01:20 PM
I don't hunt now, and I haven't in many years. However when I was a college kid back in NM, my cronies and I hunted whatever we could, because we were all poor. Real poor, government cheese poor, right.

We used anything we could to get those skinny mulies, we were out there to eat, there wasn't any "sport" about it.

It's easy to get on the high horse when you're not hungry.

Boats
August 19, 2007, 01:59 PM
A dude with his own undiagnosed arrogance problem wrote:

This guy is just as much an enemy to hunting as the hsus and peta.
Watch em guys.

Some of the practices that certain "hunters" try to pass off as "hunting" aren't hunting at all.

Some guys out there think that if they have a tag they are guaranteed a kill--dammit.

Why don't they just rent/borrow/steal a backhoe, dig some pits in a bean field and cover the pit openings with debris? Trapdoor spiders hunt this way so it must be cool to imitate them, right?

One could still shoot survivors from the top of the pit using *any* legal caliber and have an almost guaranteed one shot kill. Spikes are always optional in a pit trap.

And the guys who pop off about buying a 4-8k ATV to fill the freezer with "cheap meat" need a lesson in economics.

Guys who want a guaranteed result with a minimum of fuss already have a place to get their meat:

http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/links/link.jsp?id=0010544610886a&type=product&cmCat=search&returnPage=search-results1.jsp&No=80&Ntt=game+meat&noImage=0&Ntk=Products&QueryText=game+meat&Ntx=matchall&N=4887&Nty=1

http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/content/Item/61/08/86/i610886sq04.jpg

It's way more cost effective than a $2k lease or monthly Bombardier payments.

Just buy the head and talk about how effective the deer stand was.

http://www.macstaxidermy.com/north%20american%20big%20game.htm

$595.00 plus shipping and handling nets an eight point buck nicely mounted. You could buy roughly 14 or 15 for the price of moderately equipped 2008 Yamaha Grizzly. The lifetime of tall tales about the strains of sleeping in a tree while hunting over a carrot field are limited only by one's imagination.

Enemy of hunting? Hardly. The folks who most endanger hunting are those who make it look like shooting fish in barrel. Hunting gets banned in two usual ways: One is that population density rises too much to make it worthwhile or "safe" to the general public. Second, yahoos go on and make videos and tell stories that portray hunting as an "effort" where some dude in a tree blows away his buck in a hungry herd of thirty or so animals from 60 yards away with a .300 WSM, a "hunt" that took about three hours and looks/sounds as challenging as corraling the buck and shooting him from the fence.

Cougar and bear hunting with dogs was banned in Oregon by popular vote because hunters themselves had made numerous videos that made it look as easy as loosing some radio collared dogs and then showing up on foot or horseback to the appropriate tree and making a tremendously difficult 35 to 40 foot shot.

Certainly there is a lot of effort in the proper training and care of the dogs and it takes some measure of skill to show up timely at the right tree to humanely take the animal, but it certainly never looks like a "fair" match-up.

IOW, it was banned because it appeared to be unsporting.

Barely ethical practices vigorously defended beyond all reason endanger hunting far more than my distaste for making it "too easy" does. I won't agitate against tree stands, someone whose knowledge of hunting is limited to seeing Bambi will.

There is a joke out there centered on Mr. Norris that goes like this:

Chuck Norris doesn't go hunting because hunting implies failure. Chuck Norris goes killing.

Killing the wildlife (and making it look too easy in the bargain) will animate the HSUS and PETA, not me.

MCgunner
August 19, 2007, 02:38 PM
Why do you care how I hunt? I've given you the reasons I hunt the way I do. I ain't comin' up there to force you into a tree stand at gunpoint, after all. What I do is all perfectly legal here in the great republic of Texas, feeder and all. You don't like it, you don't have to hunt that way. No one suggests you do. I agree that you seem to have an arrogance problem, you do what you do because you can....I can't. We have no decent public hunting lands here, it's all private. I can walk across my place in a few minutes. The place cost me 1180 an acre, but it's huntable by stand so that's how I hunt. I'm retired now and have to up 300 a year on the friggin' taxes. It seems to be worth triple what I paid for it, wild, 3K an acre for MARSH? I thought I was getting screwed when I bought it. LOL! I may sell out to buy in east Texas soon, but I don't know if I could find better deer and hog hunting. Hate to get rid of it for that. I protested the tax this year to no avail, can't argue with big brother.

You need to come down here to fully appreciate WHY we do what we do. I'm sitting in a 10 foot tripod stand, you seem to be hunting from a 40 ft ivory tower. But, then, you probably blend in well in Seattle. You wouldn't drive a hybrid by chance, would ya?

CSA 357
August 19, 2007, 02:41 PM
I have hunted from tree stands, i have killed alot more deer from the ground, i have hunted places that could only be hunted from a stand, and other places that could only be hunted from the ground, i do not use climbing stands any more(im just to fat) had one start to bend with me wile up in the tree! i like to find a big tree and get my back up against it, with my knees up so i can get a good rest, i have killed many deer that way, but i just dont see putting people down for useing tree stands:scrutiny: csa

Big Daddy K
August 19, 2007, 02:42 PM
Why don't they just rent/borrow/steal a backhoe, dig some pits in a bean field and cover the pit openings with debris? Trapdoor spiders hunt this way so it must be cool to imitate them, right?

One could still shoot survivors from the top of the pit using *any* legal caliber and have an almost guaranteed one shot kill. Spikes are always optional in a pit trap.

Cause its not legal.


Enemy of hunting? Hardly. The folks who most endanger hunting are those who make it look like shooting fish in barrel. Hunting gets banned in two usual ways: One is that population density rises too much to make it worthwhile or "safe" to the general public. Second, yahoos go on and make videos and tell stories that portray hunting as an "effort" where some dude in a tree blows away his buck in a hungry herd of thirty or so animals from 60 yards away with a .300 WSM, a "hunt" that took about three hours and looks/sounds as challenging as corraling the buck and shooting him from the fence.

Cougar and bear hunting with dogs was banned in Oregon by popular vote because hunters themselves had made numerous videos that made it look as easy as loosing some radio collared dogs and then showing up on foot or horseback to the appropriate tree and making a tremendously difficult 35 to 40 foot shot.

Certainly there is a lot of effort in the proper training and care of the dogs and it takes some measure of skill to show up timely at the right tree to humanely take the animal, but it certainly never looks like a "fair" match-up.

IOW, it was banned because it appeared to be unsporting.

Nope people were not informed or educated. Whos fault is that?

IOW, it was banned because it appeared to be unsporting.

Appeared:banghead: Lets make sure we dont offend anyone:what:

Guys who want a guaranteed result with a minimum of fuss already have a place to get their meat:

May be I missed it but didnt see or read anything about a guarantee.

And the guys who pop off about buying a 4-8k ATV to fill the freezer with "cheap meat" need a lesson in economics.:what:

Missed that one too.

MCgunner
August 19, 2007, 02:54 PM
CSA, two words about hunting off the ground, shooting stix. I love 'em. Killed the best buck I've ever shot off them while sitting on a flat rock overlooking a dry wash out in west Texas. You might say I was using a natural elevated stand, unethical???? 150 yard shot and the hold was rock solid. I don't leave home without 'em if there's any chance I'll be shooting off the ground. Great with a Contender, too.

Stinger
August 19, 2007, 03:10 PM
Some people think they know everything, and that the way they do things is the only way it should be done. People used to mind their own business. Now they think they need to impose their will on everyone else.

eliphalet
August 19, 2007, 05:29 PM
This is pointless.

keano44
August 19, 2007, 06:48 PM
Boats,
I would challenge you to come down to South Louisiana and hunt deer your way. You would be singing a different tune, and treestand shopping, in no time! The many reasons for treestand hunting have been mentioned throughout this thread but here is a re-cap of the best ones (IMO):
1.) Safety. When hunting on public land, I like to be way up above the ground before daylight.
2.) Terrain. Being able to see anything past 15-20 yards is a huge plus.
3.) Tradition. I'm 43 yrs. old, and grew up hunting from climbing, and ladder stands. Most all of the deer I have taken in my life (28) have been taken from tree stands with archery, handgun, rifle, and muzzleloader.
My first deer was taken with a shotgun and buckshot while walking/scouting. I also took the best deer of my life (157+ green score) on a Central Texas ranch hunt, driving around in a jeep with the guide, looking for the specific deer that I shot. I am much prouder of much lesser deer that I have hunted using my climber treestand. But, you must realize, for me it is a much different hunt than what you imagine; in your mind it is easy, a lazy man's hunt. I do use an ATV, or boat where I can. But, where I park the ATV or boat is where the work starts. I pack in from there with my day pack, rifle/bow, and climber on my back and walk for sometimes as much as an hour from that point, sometimes with chest waders to cross slough's over waist deep. And I'm not talking about hunting over bait either. I'm talking about hunting deer on their turf, using a lifetime of skill in finding and knowing where to place my stand for the best chance to see and get a decent shot at an animal. And, maybe I just don't have access to the deer rich areas some people get to hunt, but, believe me, there are no guarantees. My tag goes unfilled way more times than I am successful. But hey, that's hunting.

JohnBT
August 19, 2007, 06:58 PM
"I won't agitate against tree stands"

You already have and you still are.

John

islandphish
August 19, 2007, 07:59 PM
For some time now I've been advocating the end to hunting seasons. Yep. No more. I say we close all the "hunting" seasons and open up "harvesting" seasons. Because then the turd with the land and the money doesn't get to look down his nose at Joe Blow because Joe Blow can't afford a horse, trailer, truck and a trip to MT every year to hunt spot and stalk "properly".

I took my first buck with the truck door as my rest. This year I'm gonna use my .357mag pistol. I suppose one is ok and one isn't. Well whatever, in America I don't have to justify myself to the liberals. I hunt legal and I hunt safe.

Boats seems to think that the govt gives us the right to hunt and that the right is based on sport. THR is dedicated to discussing personal issues of liberty, I believe we need to educate him on just what that means.

SoCalShooter
August 19, 2007, 08:14 PM
Well personally I use a range finder and bino's and thats about it, I have a GPS and compass with map to get me back to camp. Where I hunt its not close range for deer its 250+ usually and I do not want to spook the animal with several shots especially when I have the technology avaible to accurately get the range and then be more effective in using my boon and crocket scope. hunting for me is expensive because I choose not to hunt in my home state thuse the out of state fees are high so I want an assured kill if I find me a deer!

.41 magnum man
August 19, 2007, 09:10 PM
Boats, Since you are such a highly ethical hunter, a prime example of what we should all aspire to be, (and I am a lowly jackass who uses atv, stands, and get this: I even use a GUN!) how about enlighting us unethical morons to the REAL WAY all of us should be hunting. And while your at it, would you please explain all the things we should not own, and where I should get my venison and turkey meat. (Cabelas seems so high, to me.) And I wish to apologize to you that I have spent my money on a house with 50 acres of land, an atv, a hunting license, guns, knives, bows, ladder stands and reloading equipment. You have proven your intelligence so well that I am going to sell all I have except my video camer. I am going to get me a pointed stick and have someone film me killing a deer with that pointed stick. Surely after everyone watches the video of me sticking that poor deer over and over and beating it in the head with both of us drenched in blood, and the thing struggling for its life and bleating that pitiful bleat, they will surely see how hunting is supposed to be, and that it definately isn't easy. After all, like you said, that is what is important.

Selfdfenz
August 19, 2007, 11:05 PM
Well
Here's another one of those threads the ethical hunters of America need like a thumb in the eye.

Some people think they know everything, and that the way they do things is the only way it should be done. People used to mind their own business. Now they think they need to impose their will on everyone else.

Couldn't have said it better.

Boats,
You're not gonna pull a Zumbo on us are you?:)

What is the "sport" in using a tree stand?

I use a tree stand for the same reason I wear blaze organge, namely to keep from being shot by one of the Daniel Boone-wanabes that all too common where I hunt. Frankly I like stalking and I've had more luck that way but I like not being shot even more.

If you are fortunate enough to safely and successfully stalk deer on foot count yourself lucky but stop castigating the ethical hunters here of THR that use tree stands (also please add ground blinds, shooting houses and pop-ups). Self education is a wonderful thing and very worthwhile in-and-of itself.

Best,
S-

AntiqueCollector
August 20, 2007, 05:23 PM
Well, Boats, I think you're all wrong. My plans for the future are to live in a very remote place (a.k.a., the "bush") in Alaska. Basically, I'll be on my own as far as food goes. I'll obviously have a large garden to grow whatever I can. I'll raise chickens, likely, but the amount of land I can afford there would not be good for keeping larger animals on, feeding them all winter, etc. No way could 5 acres or so support larger animals like cows, plus my large garden, etc., up there given the sort of soil and climate there is. Just gardening alone will be a tricky endeavor in the Interior because of unpredictable early/late frosts. Growing grain is hit or miss there and very iffy. So, I'll let nature raise my meat and fish for me, it does a good job of it. You think I'll care about any sort of "sport" in hunting and fishing? Nope, I'll probably enjoy it to some degree, but it'll be entirely about the meat and fish, for survival. Like I said before, people shouldn't be so quick to judge and condemn others' actions. I'm not judgemental towards those who view hunting and fishing as just a sport and nothing necessary for survival, though one could certainly make some sort of argument against them, if you're so inclined. I'm not. And I don't expect others to judge my views of hunting/fishing as somehow "unethical" because I''ll use any and all legal means of getting the prey in the future.

Troutman
August 21, 2007, 12:27 PM
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Art Eatman
August 21, 2007, 02:15 PM
Congratulations, guys. You go to calling names and all that low road stuff, and there's no discussion; it's just insults.

Might as well be L&Pee.

I'm saving the URL of this thread for future reference about behavior. Be advised...

:(, Art

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